Re: [diesel_mercedes] fuel

 

You're correct. With the Clear Act, new regulations on diesel cars made it cost  prohibitive,  when the prices of the new fuels and new equipment are combined. Even with the extra MPG of a diesel engine you won't make it to the break even point after all the extended costs during the vehicles expected life. . This is not including the increase maintenance requirements. Add in the fact, most states charge of 10% higher tax on diesel than gas, lawmakers have no real goal of making diesel powered attractive. California charges .76/gal tax for diesel. That's 43% higher than the national average.


With mid-priced diesel cars hitting the 50+ MPG mark in Europe, it's easy to see where the "collusion" is in this country. Heavy subsides for ethanol, simple white lightning, only add to the problem. The only way to make it a viable alternative, economically, is for gasoline prices to "necessarily  skyrocket". Of course, MPG would drop like a stone but Big Farming, Big Ethanol Refiners, and Big Government tax men, would be happy. Nine new ethanol refineries are coming on line. Currently there is 30% over stock. Sen. Harkin from Iowa believes gasoline companies should be mandated to use twice a much ethanol in their blends. The government can do it because, as he say's, "we own all the car companies".

Of course, you must realize OPEC fixes prices from square one, even before our politicians roll up their sleeves.......





On Apr 30, 2011, at 4:21 AM, Bobby Yates Emory wrote:

Tom, You left out the wonderful contribution (yes, that was
sarcastic) of your government. A year or so ago, they decided that
low sulfur diesel was not good enough, they insisted we could only buy
ultra low sulphur diesel. So the refiners had to spend millions
reconning their refinerys. We get to pay. Bobby

On 4/30/11, ygmir111 <ygmir111@att.net> wrote:
> well said, Tom.
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> Henry
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <audiolaw@aol.com>
> To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] fuel
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> I don't mean to sound cynical here, and anyone who knows me knows that I
> have nothing but skepticism for the conduct of corporate america. I think
> the oil companies are the bottom of the barrel for corporate morals.
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> But I also see the real world out there. We have been eagerly sending
> our manufacturing base overseas. Everyone talks about China, but there is
> also Brazil and all those nations in the southeast Asian area (including
> Vietnam).
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> All those place used to be farm based. Think of the pictures from the
> Vietnam war, all the Hueys flying over rice paddies being plowed by water
> buffalo.
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> Now those places are factory zones, with people making real wages (low
> but real) instead of growing their own food. Mercedes says that China is
> a bigger market now than the U.S. People aren't buying those cars without
> having fuel to put in them. The factories aren't cranking out products
> without trucks to take them to market.
>
> Simple reality is that we are competing for fuel supplies with
> emerging nations with huge and growing demand. Most places use diesel more
> than
> gasoline. And there is less diesel in a barrel of crude than there is
> gasoline.
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> I'm sure that there is plenty of collusion and price fixing and any
> other number of things that companies do to push up prices. But if the
> system were entirely fair and openly competitive, the emerging nations
> would be
> soaking up huge amounts of fuel that used to be used just by us and Europe.
> And the price would be rising and would continue to rise into the future.
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> Tom
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> In a message dated 4/29/2011 5:55:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> duckn8r@me.com writes:
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> Rock on bro you rule!!!
> They have been over charging us for the last 12 or more years, can any one
> tell me why diesel is more than gas. when they make gas the diesel is what
> is left over they really don't have much to do to make it real some body
> has to know why?
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Apr 29, 2011, at 7:08 PM, max_stemple <_max_stemple@yahoo.com_
> (mailto:max_stemple@yahoo.com) > wrote:
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> It's been $4.49 a gallon here for a lonmg time. Whats the problem with you
> other folks? Gas people? I say wWhat the fuck you complainging about, we
> diesel people are paying .50cents more so shut the fuck up please. Hey at
> least I say "please" Max
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Bobby Yates Emory


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