Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: SVO WARNING !

 

Lawerence, Do you remember what brand of injector line heaters you
bought? Even if people have other heaters, they are a good "insurance
policy". Thank you for the good report on your 7 years of expeience.
Bobby

On 1/25/12, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I've been doing it for 7 years and hundreds of thousands of miles. Works
> for
> me. However. I use lineheaters directly before the injector. Leave them
> on
> for a few minutes and she starts right up. I accidentally left them on for
> 30
> minutes and the car still started. Didn't drain the battery. Draws 15 amps
> and
> when warm I see temps over 200 ° F before the injector. Also have water
> based
> heat exchanger. I run single and don't use diesel or biod unless I run out
> of
> VO> Lawrence Rhodes..........
>
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : Car Club Plaques

 

I've heard it's changed a bit since I left(GG) in 1970. I might want to live and grow a garden in Robs back yard now though. Yea, lets design some cool Diesel Mercedes Plaques, any artists in our group?, Max

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> Well ;
>
> If you ever have any made , or patches , count me in for some ! .
>
> I love this kinda thing , I had some made up for the V.J.L.A. Moto Club I'm part of , some years ago , I still wear them proudly .
>
> Shop around ! plaques can be had affordably or cheaply .
>
> Garden Grove has changed incredibly since I first saw it in 1969 .
> -Nate
> Max wrote:
> >
> > Cool, the reason I asked is because I have one, a plaque. I bought it at a local barter faire about 30 years ago. The large print of "Garden Grove", my hometown, caught my eyes. I Goggled them and learned some history. We should have some made for our group, I would not put one on the car but would look good in the shop. Max
> >
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes , they're still out there , I see the plaque occasionally .
> > >
> > > -Nate
> > > Max Asked :
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Rob, have you heard of a GG car club called Relics? Max
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: SVO WARNING !

 

I'm a believer Lawrence. Just too cowardly to switch, but if I lived in Texas and had some acreage I sure would.

 
brian from laverne, ca Mary (195K)  Martha (280K) 1983 w123 300d's
From: Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:10 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: SVO WARNING !

 
I've been doing it for 7 years and hundreds of thousands of miles. Works for
me. However. I use lineheaters directly before the injector. Leave them on
for a few minutes and she starts right up. I accidentally left them on for 30
minutes and the car still started. Didn't drain the battery. Draws 15 amps and
when warm I see temps over 200 ° F before the injector. Also have water based
heat exchanger. I run single and don't use diesel or biod unless I run out of
VO> Lawrence Rhodes..........



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[diesel_mercedes] Re: SVO WARNING !

 

I've been doing it for 7 years and hundreds of thousands of miles. Works for
me. However. I use lineheaters directly before the injector. Leave them on
for a few minutes and she starts right up. I accidentally left them on for 30
minutes and the car still started. Didn't drain the battery. Draws 15 amps and
when warm I see temps over 200 ° F before the injector. Also have water based
heat exchanger. I run single and don't use diesel or biod unless I run out of
VO> Lawrence Rhodes..........

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Nate...P/S purge and filter

 



--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:

> The ones from Peach and Autohaus look like the one in my '81 300SD,
> and in the three, four, or however many 123 models that Nate has.

> The pancake format ones from Peach and Autohaus are what you expect to
> pull up out of the bottom of your PS pump.

...and the price is right...the "around $5" seems to be the going rate.

I'm also curious about how often to change the filter during Nate's Mondo Flush program...

I *think* I posted a before and after PS filter pic in my album "Betty and the Beginner" for grins....

Caitlin
Santa Fe

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Nate...P/S purge and filter

 


The first and last ones , are aftermarket add to the return hose things you don't want , EVER .

The others that all look the same ? just buy the cheapest one and use it .

For now , once you ever so carefully wipe the upper & lower resivoirs clean with _ONLY_LINT_FREE_TOWELS_ , you can then drop in a new filter and flush it a bit , then leave it until spring and flush some more , once the fluid remains translucent red and sweet smelling then change the filter again and from there you should be good to go annually .

I hope this clarifies things for you .

-Nate
Trish wrote:
>
> OK so I'm looking online for my filter and it dawned on me...if we're
> supposed to purge the system over and over again for a month or so till
> it's nice and clean..what about the filter? Shouldn't it also be changed
> frequently until the fluid is clear?
>
> My other question is what on earth is this that O'Reilly is selling?
> http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/A1C3/200038F.oap?year=1980&make=Mercedes-Benz&model=300SD&vi=1193992&ck=Search_power+steering+filter_1193992_1157&keyword=power+steering+filter
>
> It looks completely different from the ones Peach or AutoHausAZ are selling
> and it's a LOT more expensive.
> http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1980-Mercedes--Benz-300sd-Steering&yearid=1980%40%401980&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6204%3AED|10000133%3AMBC|1509%40%40300SD&catid=241580%40%40Steering&subcatid=241599@@P%2FS+Filter&mode=PD<http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1980-Mercedes--Benz-300sd-Steering&yearid=1980%40%401980&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6204%3AED%7C10000133%3AMBC%7C1509%40%40300SD&catid=241580%40%40Steering&subcatid=241599@@P%2FS+Filter&mode=PD>
>
> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=weomov55hqjpkfuf5chftjqa&makeid=800016@Mercedes&modelid=1193992@300SD&year=1980&cid=power%20steering%20filter@power%20steering%20filter&gid=7292@Power%20Steering/Hydraulic%20Filter
>
> Auto Zone has something completely different too! Geez.
> http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/1980-Mercedes-Benz-300SD/Power-Steering-Filter/_/N-im6xhZ8oy5x?filterByKeyWord=power+steering+filter&fromString=search
>
> Just wondering how many filters I need to order.
>
> --
> Trish Dougherty
> PurrFect Harmony Farm
> Ennis, TX
> http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Car Club Plaques

 


Well ;

If you ever have any made , or patches , count me in for some ! .

I love this kinda thing , I had some made up for the V.J.L.A. Moto Club I'm part of , some years ago , I still wear them proudly .

Shop around ! plaques can be had affordably or cheaply .

Garden Grove has changed incredibly since I first saw it in 1969 .
-Nate
Max wrote:
>
> Cool, the reason I asked is because I have one, a plaque. I bought it at a local barter faire about 30 years ago. The large print of "Garden Grove", my hometown, caught my eyes. I Goggled them and learned some history. We should have some made for our group, I would not put one on the car but would look good in the shop. Max
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yes , they're still out there , I see the plaque occasionally .
> >
> > -Nate
> > Max Asked :
> > > >
> > > > Hey Rob, have you heard of a GG car club called Relics? Max
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] SVO WARNING !

 

Nate,

And then there are blends - they ruin injection pumps and engines, also.

Bobby

On 1/24/12, Nate Rector <tccservice111@yahoo.com> wrote:
> SVO,wvo,watf,wmo can kill a engine,I had blowby with fuels.Switched back to
> diesel 6 months ago blow by gone.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com>
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:21 PM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] SVO WARNING !
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What Bobby said ~ many will say ' I never saw any engines damaged by WVO/SVO
> but they're F.O.C. ~ I got my beloved '84 300CD Diesel Sports Coupe because
> some stupid hippes in Sta Monica did just this and the droplets of un burned
> VO that get between the piston and cylinder wall , crystalize and ruin both
> the piston and cylinder ~ my engine block was almost ruined beyond repair ~
> I had to have the cylinders all re sleeved and replace all the pistons as
> well as the other normal periodic overhauls parts to the tune of $5K + .
>
> Not what most people are willing to invest in a 28 year old car , especially
> not a beat up one like mine .
>
> You have been warned ! .
>
> -Nate
> Bobby Warned :
>
> Trish,
>
> Using SVO - the waste oil Kevin is collecting - in a MB diesel is a
> wonderful idea, whether it is your car or the future generator.
>
> BUT:
>
> Other than a five minute demonstration - do not use room temperature or
> colder SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil) to fuel your MB. It will destroy your
> motor. It does this in several ways. The cold oil is too viscous, so the
> injectors are not able to atomize the oil well. The oil clogs the
> injectors, so they keep doing a poorer and poorer job. Since the oil is in
> large droplets, some of it doesn't burn. It slides down the cylinder wall
> and collects behind the rings and forms carbon "chunks". These prevent the
> rings from working properly. The oil also gets past the rings drips down
> into the pan. It is incompatible with the motor oil, dilutes it and
> destroys the bearings.
>
> You must add a system or systems to heat the SVO before it is pumped into
> the injection pump. Many people also add a small tank for diesel. They
> crank the engine on diesel and run on it briefly until the coolant warms
> enough to warm the SVO to 140F. Then they switch to SVO. (When they are
> ready to shut down, they switch back to diesel so the engine is ready start
> up next time.)
>
> (It is also possible to use electrical heaters to warm the oil when cranking
> up, so you don't have to switch fuels.)
>
> Bobby
>
>
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : "Routine" Old Mercedes Service & Repairs

 


Glad it helped .

I'd suggest getting a steno pad and a pencil that'll fit in it's coiled spring , keep a running list of notes , parts needed etc. and cross them off as you go .

Separate lists for the P-A-P things like : spare fuel line hose clamps , spare blue colored radiator drain plug & gasket .....

By making lists and comparing prices , you can shop 'round the InterNet when it's cold / rainy out and you're slurping coffee with Kevin & the cats ......

Always buy more fuel filters and chemicals than you think you'll need when they're on sale , keep spare fuel filters & the special fuel hose clamps in the glovebox so you never have to have the fun Chip did late at night , far from home....

I also keep bottles of my fuel additives and engine oils , ATF in the trunk's sidewells , they're plastic so the normal water puddles there won't hurt them .

If you carefully remove the black plastic trunk side liners , you'll find greasy filthy water there in the bottom , use an old sponge or towel to mop dry then *gently* poke the round rubber ' drain' (yeah , right) tube thingie open so most of the water might leak out next time .

I also wash under there once or twice a year as a little bit of dust buildup turns into mud & clogs the drain valve thingie nearly instantly .

I hope this helps , being pragmatic and diligent will get you where you want to be , Mercedes is a *perfect* farm vehicle as this philosophy dovetails well with country / farm life .

-Nate
Trish wrote:
>
> Nate
>
> Thanks for the information. It's payday!!! Kevin will come home tonight,
> tomorrow I'll go to work with him so I have the truck. I'll be hitting the
> parts store for my fluids. Darn, just thought of this...you said there's a
> filter down in that muck. I need to get a replacement for it.
>
>
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] SVO WARNING !

 

SVO,wvo,watf,wmo can kill a engine,I had blowby with fuels.Switched back to diesel 6 months ago blow by gone.
 

From: Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:21 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] SVO WARNING !

 


What Bobby said ~ many will say ' I never saw any engines damaged by WVO/SVO but they're F.O.C. ~ I got my beloved '84 300CD Diesel Sports Coupe because some stupid hippes in Sta Monica did just this and the droplets of un burned VO that get between the piston and cylinder wall , crystalize and ruin both the piston and cylinder ~ my engine block was almost ruined beyond repair ~ I had to have the cylinders all re sleeved and replace all the pistons as well as the other normal periodic overhauls parts to the tune of $5K + .

Not what most people are willing to invest in a 28 year old car , especially not a beat up one like mine .

You have been warned ! .

-Nate
Bobby Warned :

Trish,

Using SVO - the waste oil Kevin is collecting - in a MB diesel is a wonderful idea, whether it is your car or the future generator.

BUT:

Other than a five minute demonstration - do not use room temperature or colder SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil) to fuel your MB. It will destroy your motor. It does this in several ways. The cold oil is too viscous, so the injectors are not able to atomize the oil well. The oil clogs the injectors, so they keep doing a poorer and poorer job. Since the oil is in large droplets, some of it doesn't burn. It slides down the cylinder wall and collects behind the rings and forms carbon "chunks". These prevent the rings from working properly. The oil also gets past the rings drips down into the pan. It is incompatible with the motor oil, dilutes it and destroys the bearings.

You must add a system or systems to heat the SVO before it is pumped into the injection pump. Many people also add a small tank for diesel. They crank the engine on diesel and run on it briefly until the coolant warms enough to warm the SVO to 140F. Then they switch to SVO. (When they are ready to shut down, they switch back to diesel so the engine is ready start up next time.)

(It is also possible to use electrical heaters to warm the oil when cranking up, so you don't have to switch fuels.)

Bobby



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What Bobby said ~ many will say ' I never saw any engines damaged by WVO/SVO but they're F.O.C. ~ I got my beloved '84 300CD Diesel Sports Coupe because some stupid hippes in Sta Monica did just this and the droplets of un burned VO that get between the piston and cylinder wall , crystalize and ruin both the piston and cylinder ~ my engine block was almost ruined beyond repair ~ I had to have the cylinders all re sleeved and replace all the pistons as well as the other normal periodic overhauls parts to the tune of $5K + .

Not what most people are willing to invest in a 28 year old car , especially not a beat up one like mine .

You have been warned ! .

-Nate
Bobby Warned :

Trish,

Using SVO - the waste oil Kevin is collecting - in a MB diesel is a wonderful idea, whether it is your car or the future generator.

BUT:

Other than a five minute demonstration - do not use room temperature or colder SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil) to fuel your MB. It will destroy your motor. It does this in several ways. The cold oil is too viscous, so the injectors are not able to atomize the oil well. The oil clogs the injectors, so they keep doing a poorer and poorer job. Since the oil is in large droplets, some of it doesn't burn. It slides down the cylinder wall and collects behind the rings and forms carbon "chunks". These prevent the rings from working properly. The oil also gets past the rings drips down into the pan. It is incompatible with the motor oil, dilutes it and destroys the bearings.

You must add a system or systems to heat the SVO before it is pumped into the injection pump. Many people also add a small tank for diesel. They crank the engine on diesel and run on it briefly until the coolant warms enough to warm the SVO to 140F. Then they switch to SVO. (When they are ready to shut down, they switch back to diesel so the engine is ready start up next time.)

(It is also possible to use electrical heaters to warm the oil when cranking up, so you don't have to switch fuels.)

Bobby

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Nate...P/S purge and filter

 

PS - You can often find part pics or schematics that will give you a visual. And, there is nothing like digging the old part out and going eyeball to eyeball with it.
 
brian from laverne, ca Mary (195K)  Martha (280K) 1983 w123 300d's
From: Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Nate...P/S purge and filter

 
OK so I'm looking online for my filter and it dawned on me...if we're supposed to purge the system over and over again for a month or so till it's nice and clean..what about the filter?  Shouldn't it also be changed frequently until the fluid is clear?

My other question is what on earth is this that O'Reilly is selling?
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/A1C3/200038F.oap?year=1980&make=Mercedes-Benz&model=300SD&vi=1193992&ck=Search_power+steering+filter_1193992_1157&keyword=power+steering+filter

It looks completely different from the ones Peach or AutoHausAZ are selling and it's a LOT more expensive.
http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1980-Mercedes--Benz-300sd-Steering&yearid=1980%40%401980&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6204%3AED%7C10000133%3AMBC%7C1509%40%40300SD&catid=241580%40%40Steering&subcatid=241599@@P%2FS+Filter&mode=PD

http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=weomov55hqjpkfuf5chftjqa&makeid=800016@Mercedes&modelid=1193992@300SD&year=1980&cid=power%20steering%20filter@power%20steering%20filter&gid=7292@Power%20Steering/Hydraulic%20Filter

Auto Zone has something completely different too!  Geez.
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/1980-Mercedes-Benz-300SD/Power-Steering-Filter/_/N-im6xhZ8oy5x?filterByKeyWord=power+steering+filter&fromString=search

Just wondering how many filters I need to order.

--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com



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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Nate...P/S purge and filter

 

The Hengst or Mann filters from AZ sit at the bottom of the PS fluid.
 
brian from laverne, ca Mary (195K)  Martha (280K) 1983 w123 300d's
From: Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Nate...P/S purge and filter

 
OK so I'm looking online for my filter and it dawned on me...if we're supposed to purge the system over and over again for a month or so till it's nice and clean..what about the filter?  Shouldn't it also be changed frequently until the fluid is clear?

My other question is what on earth is this that O'Reilly is selling?
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/A1C3/200038F.oap?year=1980&make=Mercedes-Benz&model=300SD&vi=1193992&ck=Search_power+steering+filter_1193992_1157&keyword=power+steering+filter

It looks completely different from the ones Peach or AutoHausAZ are selling and it's a LOT more expensive.
http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1980-Mercedes--Benz-300sd-Steering&yearid=1980%40%401980&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6204%3AED%7C10000133%3AMBC%7C1509%40%40300SD&catid=241580%40%40Steering&subcatid=241599@@P%2FS+Filter&mode=PD

http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=weomov55hqjpkfuf5chftjqa&makeid=800016@Mercedes&modelid=1193992@300SD&year=1980&cid=power%20steering%20filter@power%20steering%20filter&gid=7292@Power%20Steering/Hydraulic%20Filter

Auto Zone has something completely different too!  Geez.
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/1980-Mercedes-Benz-300SD/Power-Steering-Filter/_/N-im6xhZ8oy5x?filterByKeyWord=power+steering+filter&fromString=search

Just wondering how many filters I need to order.

--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com



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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Nate...P/S purge and filter

 

Tom

Thanks.  I had already planned to buy from AutoHausAZ as I've had good luck with them in the past.  Drat...I really wanted to get it tomorrow..oh well. 

Uh oh I hear thunder...gotta get the dogs locked up and get off line.



On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:31 PM, <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:
 

Trish, 
 
    The ones from Peach and Autohaus look like the one in my '81 300SD, and in the three, four, or however many 123 models that Nate has. 
 
    The ones from O'Reilly and Autozone look more like fuel filters, but may be intended to go at some inline location that I am unaware of. 
 
    The pancake format ones from Peach and Autohaus are what you expect to pull up out of the bottom of your PS pump. 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2012 1:14:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com writes:
 

OK so I'm looking online for my filter and it dawned on me...if we're supposed to purge the system over and over again for a month or so till it's nice and clean..what about the filter?  Shouldn't it also be changed frequently until the fluid is clear?

My other question is what on earth is this that O'Reilly is selling?
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/A1C3/200038F.oap?year=1980&make=Mercedes-Benz&model=300SD&vi=1193992&ck=Search_power+steering+filter_1193992_1157&keyword=power+steering+filter

It looks completely different from the ones Peach or AutoHausAZ are selling and it's a LOT more expensive.
http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1980-Mercedes--Benz-300sd-Steering&yearid=1980%40%401980&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6204%3AED|10000133%3AMBC|1509%40%40300SD&catid=241580%40%40Steering&subcatid=241599@@P%2FS+Filter&mode=PD

http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=weomov55hqjpkfuf5chftjqa&makeid=800016@Mercedes&modelid=1193992@300SD&year=1980&cid=power%20steering%20filter@power%20steering%20filter&gid=7292@Power%20Steering/Hydraulic%20Filter

Auto Zone has something completely different too!  Geez.
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/1980-Mercedes-Benz-300SD/Power-Steering-Filter/_/N-im6xhZ8oy5x?filterByKeyWord=power+steering+filter&fromString=search

Just wondering how many filters I need to order.

--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com




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