RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Which One ? (flame Suit ON !)

 

No, I completely agree!  It's just that most 'Mericans like all the toys, so, generally would prefer the S-Klasse.  Having owned an example of each, a 300D and 300SD, for sure the 123 was nimbler.  Would get blown into the weeds by the SD, though.  (The 300D was a '77, so, non-turboed.)

One thing about the 116 SD; no cladding to trap moisture/road salt, so, no chance for rust there.  It IS, however, the heaviest of all the iron-heads....

Mark in Lakewood, CO

To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
From: vwnate1@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 04:28:12 +0000
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Which One ? (flame Suit ON !)

 

_thank_ you Alan ;

I keep trying to hammer this into my fellow DieselHead's heads to no avail .

They keep insisting that the improved luxury appointments and fuel economy makes the W-126 a better car but the superior road holding , longevity and all 'round engineering makes the W-123 chassis cars tops to people who really know these things..... =8-) .

-Nate
(hastily zipping up Nomex fire suit)

Alan Wisely & Correctly Intoned :
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Actually as the owner of both 300D's and 300SD's, I think the 300D is by
> far a better car. The SD is built using a lot of the 300Ds components.
> including the engine, trans and a lot of the underpinnings, so you have
> a larger heavier car on top of the 300Ds parts. Also in the rustbelt,
> the vinyl siding on the SD seems to promote more rust. Admittedly the
> 300SD is larger and more luxurious, but I tend to like lighter and simpler.
>


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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Sylvia - 1983 300 SD - Major maintenance down under - "glowing" results (so far)

 

Mine collected a lot of oil at the U-shaped intake tube between the air filter housing and the turbo, but, that was caused by a blown diaphram in the vacuum pump.

Mark in Lakewood, CO

To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
From: vwnate1@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 04:35:23 +0000
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Sylvia - 1983 300 SD - Major maintenance down under - "glowing" results (so far)

 

Engine out & on the ground (pic #2) ?? why ? .

The turbo sucks air out of the air cleaner , not spits it in .

As long as it runs well , keep it regularly serviced (valve adjustments & _HOT_ oil & filter changes) and it should be fine .

Oil in the air cleaner was a problem from near new , Mercedes tweaked the crankcase vent numerous times to deal with this , I just wipe it clean any time I'm servicing the car , since my engine overhaul , the air cleaner hardly gets any oil mist in it .

-Nate
Barton wrote:
>
> Last week, Sylvia went in to the shop for new glow plugs, to diagnose front end wobble on decel from 65-40 and the ongoing exorcism of
> the electrical demons.
>
> See my new Yahoo diesel_mercedes photo album for Sylvia here:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diesel_mercedes/photos/album/614318898/pic/2128952407/view
>
> Final repair and parts list includes:
>
> Remove/replace new (rebuilt) steering box (did not go seal kit route)
> 2x tie rods
> 2x ball joints
> 2x control arms
> Idler arm rebuild kit
> 2x fuel filters
> 5x new glow plugs
> 1x power steering reservoir seal
> 1x bosch voltage regulator - inspect wire harness, clean as needed
>
> oil change + filter
> high speed balance 4x new Michelins on 16" rims
> alignment
> MA State inspection
>
> Due to (ahem) budgetary constraints, had to stop here:
>
> still to be done:
>
> turbo is (still) venting oil into the air cleaner implying
> bad/warn turbo? anyone want to guesstimate parts/labor for
> this task?
>
> Car now drives like it's on rails (again). Still
> accelerates like a 250,000 year old dog but started
> like a brand new car @ 23F (not sure how "warm" it
> was when I picked it up at the shop, engine temp was below 40C).
>
> Headlights still fluctuate (as they always did) at
> reduced/increased revs, but all systems (interior, radio,
> climate control, turn signals, etc) stayed on and acted
> normal (so far) on 10 mi ride home.
>
> Car passed inspection (again) on first attempt.
>
> Hopefully all you'll hear from me soon enough will
> be silence (on these topics....)
>
> As to my request for locks/keys - the reason
> I'm looking for replacements is that I don't have
> the VIN # for the car they came from, (they are not
> original - I don't know why) so there's no new keys to make.
>
> Will be dragging a magnet in the gear selector
> black hole for sure tomorrow...who knows, maybe
> the key gremlins will yield the Ring that binds
> them all... :^)
>
> -Barton
>


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RE: [diesel_mercedes] '93 Dodge Dakota W/ 240D Engine

 

Actually, that was the re-badged Mitsubishi pick-up with the diesel option.  Dodge called it the "Ram 50".  Very rare in Mitsubishi guise, moreso with the Dodge nameplate.

Mark in Lakewood, CO

To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
From: vwnate1@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 04:37:56 +0000
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] '93 Dodge Dakota W/ 240D Engine

 

I sent the craigslist link to this interesting pickup truck to Tom , maybe he'll post it here , I think it looks good ,the guy who hipped me to it , called it a " turd " .

IIRC , Dodge fitted a very few Mitsubishi Diesel engines to tracks way back when , no ? .

-Nate


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[diesel_mercedes] '93 Dodge Dakota W/ 240D Engine

 


I sent the craigslist link to this interesting pickup truck to Tom , maybe he'll post it here , I think it looks good ,the guy who hipped me to it , called it a " turd " .

IIRC , Dodge fitted a very few Mitsubishi Diesel engines to tracks way back when , no ? .

-Nate

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Sylvia - 1983 300 SD - Major maintenance down under - "glowing" results (so far)

 


Engine out & on the ground (pic #2) ?? why ? .

The turbo sucks air out of the air cleaner , not spits it in .

As long as it runs well , keep it regularly serviced (valve adjustments & _HOT_ oil & filter changes) and it should be fine .

Oil in the air cleaner was a problem from near new , Mercedes tweaked the crankcase vent numerous times to deal with this , I just wipe it clean any time I'm servicing the car , since my engine overhaul , the air cleaner hardly gets any oil mist in it .

-Nate
Barton wrote:
>
> Last week, Sylvia went in to the shop for new glow plugs, to diagnose front end wobble on decel from 65-40 and the ongoing exorcism of
> the electrical demons.
>
> See my new Yahoo diesel_mercedes photo album for Sylvia here:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diesel_mercedes/photos/album/614318898/pic/2128952407/view
>
> Final repair and parts list includes:
>
> Remove/replace new (rebuilt) steering box (did not go seal kit route)
> 2x tie rods
> 2x ball joints
> 2x control arms
> Idler arm rebuild kit
> 2x fuel filters
> 5x new glow plugs
> 1x power steering reservoir seal
> 1x bosch voltage regulator - inspect wire harness, clean as needed
>
> oil change + filter
> high speed balance 4x new Michelins on 16" rims
> alignment
> MA State inspection
>
> Due to (ahem) budgetary constraints, had to stop here:
>
> still to be done:
>
> turbo is (still) venting oil into the air cleaner implying
> bad/warn turbo? anyone want to guesstimate parts/labor for
> this task?
>
> Car now drives like it's on rails (again). Still
> accelerates like a 250,000 year old dog but started
> like a brand new car @ 23F (not sure how "warm" it
> was when I picked it up at the shop, engine temp was below 40C).
>
> Headlights still fluctuate (as they always did) at
> reduced/increased revs, but all systems (interior, radio,
> climate control, turn signals, etc) stayed on and acted
> normal (so far) on 10 mi ride home.
>
> Car passed inspection (again) on first attempt.
>
> Hopefully all you'll hear from me soon enough will
> be silence (on these topics....)
>
> As to my request for locks/keys - the reason
> I'm looking for replacements is that I don't have
> the VIN # for the car they came from, (they are not
> original - I don't know why) so there's no new keys to make.
>
> Will be dragging a magnet in the gear selector
> black hole for sure tomorrow...who knows, maybe
> the key gremlins will yield the Ring that binds
> them all... :^)
>
> -Barton
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Which One ? (flame Suit ON !)

 


_thank_ you Alan ;

I keep trying to hammer this into my fellow DieselHead's heads to no avail .

They keep insisting that the improved luxury appointments and fuel economy makes the W-126 a better car but the superior road holding , longevity and all 'round engineering makes the W-123 chassis cars tops to people who really know these things..... =8-) .

-Nate
(hastily zipping up Nomex fire suit)

Alan Wisely & Correctly Intoned :
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Actually as the owner of both 300D's and 300SD's, I think the 300D is by
> far a better car. The SD is built using a lot of the 300Ds components.
> including the engine, trans and a lot of the underpinnings, so you have
> a larger heavier car on top of the 300Ds parts. Also in the rustbelt,
> the vinyl siding on the SD seems to promote more rust. Admittedly the
> 300SD is larger and more luxurious, but I tend to like lighter and simpler.
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Sylvia - 1983 300 SD - Major maintenance down under - "glowing" results (so far)

 

Last week, Sylvia went in to the shop for new glow plugs, to diagnose front end wobble on decel from 65-40 and the ongoing exorcism of
the electrical demons.

See my new Yahoo diesel_mercedes photo album for Sylvia here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diesel_mercedes/photos/album/614318898/pic/2128952407/view

Final repair and parts list includes:

Remove/replace new (rebuilt) steering box (did not go seal kit route)
2x tie rods
2x ball joints
2x control arms
Idler arm rebuild kit
2x fuel filters
5x new glow plugs
1x power steering reservoir seal
1x bosch voltage regulator - inspect wire harness, clean as needed

oil change + filter
high speed balance 4x new Michelins on 16" rims
alignment
MA State inspection

Due to (ahem) budgetary constraints, had to stop here:

still to be done:

turbo is (still) venting oil into the air cleaner implying
bad/warn turbo? anyone want to guesstimate parts/labor for
this task?

Car now drives like it's on rails (again). Still
accelerates like a 250,000 year old dog but started
like a brand new car @ 23F (not sure how "warm" it
was when I picked it up at the shop, engine temp was below 40C).

Headlights still fluctuate (as they always did) at
reduced/increased revs, but all systems (interior, radio,
climate control, turn signals, etc) stayed on and acted
normal (so far) on 10 mi ride home.

Car passed inspection (again) on first attempt.

Hopefully all you'll hear from me soon enough will
be silence (on these topics....)

As to my request for locks/keys - the reason
I'm looking for replacements is that I don't have
the VIN # for the car they came from, (they are not
original - I don't know why) so there's no new keys to make.

Will be dragging a magnet in the gear selector
black hole for sure tomorrow...who knows, maybe
the key gremlins will yield the Ring that binds
them all... :^)

-Barton

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Diesel newbie question on mid-80s diesel

 

Ok everyone. Thanks for the wide range of input. Much appreciated.
Matt

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "max_stemple" <max_stemple@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "mattnmason" <mattnmason@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've got a good neighbor (& friend), who has been vacillating on whether he's going to sell his 1986 190d 2.5 with a 5-speed manual transmission and a truckload of miles -- 285,000. I think he's going to sell it, and has offered it to me. I'm probably going to buy, but am looking for some pre-buy advice.
> >
> > First, is this a good (not trouble-prone) engine/transmission combination? It must be, as the car seems to run well with nearly 300,000 miles... Is there anything I should out for specifically upon inspection? What would be a fair "good neighbor" price?
> >
> > Secondly, can someone explain the draw of these diesels?
> It's something that happens to a guy inside, . If you have to ask then you dont have it. Stay with the Volvo, Max
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Diesel newbie question on mid-80s diesel

 

(snip, snip)  My friend who sold me my 1983 300D (Mary) back in the early 1990's for $7000 was a general sales manager at an MB dealership. I wasn't "into" MB diesels back then but here are the factors that played into my decision: a) I had just closed a $7000 deal and the cash was in my bank acct; b) He had taken it in trade and had not even put it in their inventory yet; and c) he said all of the salesmen would would snap them up for their family members if they did hit the lot.

I did not appreciate what I had until I hit a dip, lost my oil, seized the engine, let it sit in the garage for 8 years, and finally put another engine in the car. It has been my daily driver now for 4 years and I am a happy camper. She is my mistress and I treat her right.
 
brian from la verne, ca


From: Alan Boucher <alstheone@verizon.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com

Actually as the owner of both 300D's and 300SD's, I think the 300D is by far a better car.  The SD is built using a lot of the 300Ds components.  including the engine, trans and a lot of the underpinnings, so you have a larger heavier car on top of the 300Ds parts.  Also in the rustbelt, the vinyl siding on the SD seems to promote more rust.  Admittedly the 300SD is larger and more luxurious, but I tend to like lighter and simpler.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Diesel newbie question on mid-80s diesel

 

On 1/10/2011 12:34 PM, briankk wrote:

 

And some of us are into old pickups as well as diesel.  This thing, for instance is the ideal truck, runs on crude oil right out of the ground...




--- On Mon, 1/10/11, Mark in Lakewood CO <beeser750@q.com> wrote:

From: Mark in Lakewood CO <beeser750@q.com>
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Diesel newbie question on mid-80s diesel
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 7:33 AM

 

(snip)


And, as Lawrence pointed out, a great draw of the iron-head 4- and 5-cylinder cars is their tolerance of fuel type and quality.  You can, literally, grow your own fuel....

Don't worry about changing anyone's mind here.  We are Diesel Orthodox; no amount of persuation or persecution will sway us.  Find a nice ironhead, especially an '81 to '85 300SD, and you'll happily use it to push the Volvo over a cliff....

(Just kidding, kinda....)

Mark in Lakewood, CO

To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
From: vwnate1@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:24:02 +0000
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Diesel newbie question on mid-80s diesel

 

All the wonderful benefits of driving old Mercedes Diesels are not apparent on a " Baby Benz " ~ this doesn't mean it's not a nice car , just that you old Volvo will prolly be cheaper & easier .

Of course , if you find an older , pre 1985 Mercedes Diesel , prepare
to surrender to the addiction....

I'd not give over $1,000 for that 190D .

Nate
Matt wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've got a good neighbor (& friend), who has been vacillating on whether he's going to sell his 1986 190d 2.5 with a 5-speed manual transmission and a truckload of miles -- 285,000. I think he's going to sell it, and has offered it to me. I'm probably going to buy, but am looking for some pre-buy advice.
>
> First, is this a good (not trouble-prone) engine/transmission combination? It must be, as the car seems to run well with nearly 300,000 miles... Is there anything I should out for specifically upon inspection? What would be a fair "good neighbor" price?
>
> Secondly, can someone explain the draw of these diesels? I'm almost assuredly going to buy the car, so maybe I'll figure it out as I drive, but right now the benefits elude me. At first, I thought these cars would be extremely long-lived, which they are (obviously), but they also seem to require a lot of maintenance to get there. My gas Volvo 740 (with an equal level of maintenance) will likely reach 400,000; it already has 292,000 and runs great. Then I thought they'd be incredibly fuel efficient, which they are as well, but with the price of diesel being higher than gas, that benefit is mitigated to a large extent. Finally, diesels are not quicker or more powerful. They might be easier to work on, but my Volvo is pretty easy and straight-forward already. then you've got the added "difficulties" of cold starts, finding diesel, etc.
>
> I'm not trying to alter anyone's opinion of diesels. I'm sincerely wondering what the draw is! Any insight would be appreciated to clarify it in my own mind's eye.
>
> Warmest regards,
> Matt
>

Actually as the owner of both 300D's and 300SD's, I think the 300D is by far a better car.  The SD is built using a lot of the 300Ds components.  including the engine, trans and a lot of the underpinnings, so you have a larger heavier car on top of the 300Ds parts.  Also in the rustbelt, the vinyl siding on the SD seems to promote more rust.  Admittedly the 300SD is larger and more luxurious, but I tend to like lighter and simpler.

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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Diesel newbie question on mid-80s diesel

 

And some of us are into old pickups as well as diesel.  This thing, for instance is the ideal truck, runs on crude oil right out of the ground...




--- On Mon, 1/10/11, Mark in Lakewood CO <beeser750@q.com> wrote:

From: Mark in Lakewood CO <beeser750@q.com>
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Diesel newbie question on mid-80s diesel
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 7:33 AM

 

(snip)


And, as Lawrence pointed out, a great draw of the iron-head 4- and 5-cylinder cars is their tolerance of fuel type and quality.  You can, literally, grow your own fuel....

Don't worry about changing anyone's mind here.  We are Diesel Orthodox; no amount of persuation or persecution will sway us.  Find a nice ironhead, especially an '81 to '85 300SD, and you'll happily use it to push the Volvo over a cliff....

(Just kidding, kinda....)

Mark in Lakewood, CO

To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
From: vwnate1@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:24:02 +0000
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Diesel newbie question on mid-80s diesel

 

All the wonderful benefits of driving old Mercedes Diesels are not apparent on a " Baby Benz " ~ this doesn't mean it's not a nice car , just that you old Volvo will prolly be cheaper & easier .

Of course , if you find an older , pre 1985 Mercedes Diesel , prepare
to surrender to the addiction....

I'd not give over $1,000 for that 190D .

Nate
Matt wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've got a good neighbor (& friend), who has been vacillating on whether he's going to sell his 1986 190d 2.5 with a 5-speed manual transmission and a truckload of miles -- 285,000. I think he's going to sell it, and has offered it to me. I'm probably going to buy, but am looking for some pre-buy advice.
>
> First, is this a good (not trouble-prone) engine/transmission combination? It must be, as the car seems to run well with nearly 300,000 miles... Is there anything I should out for specifically upon inspection? What would be a fair "good neighbor" price?
>
> Secondly, can someone explain the draw of these diesels? I'm almost assuredly going to buy the car, so maybe I'll figure it out as I drive, but right now the benefits elude me. At first, I thought these cars would be extremely long-lived, which they are (obviously), but they also seem to require a lot of maintenance to get there. My gas Volvo 740 (with an equal level of maintenance) will likely reach 400,000; it already has 292,000 and runs great. Then I thought they'd be incredibly fuel efficient, which they are as well, but with the price of diesel being higher than gas, that benefit is mitigated to a large extent. Finally, diesels are not quicker or more powerful. They might be easier to work on, but my Volvo is pretty easy and straight-forward already. then you've got the added "difficulties" of cold starts, finding diesel, etc.
>
> I'm not trying to alter anyone's opinion of diesels. I'm sincerely wondering what the draw is! Any insight would be appreciated to clarify it in my own mind's eye.
>
> Warmest regards,
> Matt
>


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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Diesel newbie question on mid-80s diesel

 



--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "mattnmason" <mattnmason@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've got a good neighbor (& friend), who has been vacillating on whether he's going to sell his 1986 190d 2.5 with a 5-speed manual transmission and a truckload of miles -- 285,000. I think he's going to sell it, and has offered it to me. I'm probably going to buy, but am looking for some pre-buy advice.
>
> First, is this a good (not trouble-prone) engine/transmission combination? It must be, as the car seems to run well with nearly 300,000 miles... Is there anything I should out for specifically upon inspection? What would be a fair "good neighbor" price?
>
> Secondly, can someone explain the draw of these diesels?
It's something that happens to a guy inside, . If you have to ask then you dont have it. Stay with the Volvo, Max

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