Diesel RVs: 04/23/19

[diesel_mercedes] Indian OM616 (was: OM617 IP Removal)

---In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <polespearbogy@...> wrote :

>I am planning to set/fix the IP timing in my 81 CJ7 (has a 240D mill and tranny) when the >weather improves. I was going to make a video of that just for this purpose.

>p.s. I am also glad that someone else has the good sense to put one of these engines in >a jeep.

Speaking of MB diesel-powered jeeps, I am endlessly amused that while we all love our OM617 5-cylinder motors, it's the humble OM616 that outlasted the OM617, remaining in production well into the 2000s. It looks like they might have finally stopped production, but in 1982, Bajaj Tempo Motors of India (now known as Force Motors) acquired the rights to manufacture the OM616 engine to power their line of light trucks. The OM616 went on to serve a distinguished second life there in several configurations, including a weird 90-hp turbocharged version that powered the "Force Gurhka" extreme off-road vehicle.

It's unclear to me exactly when the OM616 finally went out of production, but they kept churning them out well into the 2000s. Daimler-Benz owned a minority stake in the company until 2001, and their jeep equivalents of the 200s look very similar to older G-wagons. I think I saw a picture of a 2005 Gurkha on the InterWebs that still had an OM616 under the hood. A 2016 advertisement referenced a 2.6 liter "OM616-derived" motor.

--Conrad J.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] OM617 IP Removal

I am planning to set/fix the IP timing in my 81 CJ7 (has a 240D mill and tranny) when the weather improves. I was going to make a video of that just for this purpose.

p.s. I am also glad that someone else has the good sense to put one of these engines in a jeep.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] OM617 IP Removal

Nate,

I don't doubt that you and Bogey (and likely others) have performed this procedure without removing the oil filter assembly. There's just some variable in the equation that's not being accounted for. About the only thing I can think of is: The first time I attempted to remove the IP was on my '79 SD. After that time, when pulling the IP from, for instance, the engine I'm putting in the Jeep (an '82), or one from a salvage yard, I always just removed the filter assembly as a matter of course, without even trying to remove the IP first. Perhaps the 5-cylinder pumps were changed at some point after my '79 was made, making it just short enough to remove it with removing much else. Or, maybe the filter assembly itself was altered. I dunno, just guessing....

And you'd think someone has proudly posted a video online somewhere of their ownself doing it....

Mark in Centennial, CO

On April 22, 2019 at 4:16 PM "vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes]" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I see your point Mark ;

I'm sure I've forgotten the details, I do remember it was a PIA .

I really dislike removing the oil filter housing .

-Nate