Re: [diesel_mercedes] Separating Taper Fit Joints

 

No, Max ;

It _isn't_ splitting hairs and it shouldn't take major force to separate a taper fit joint .

That was my entire point .

Much older vehicles used taper fits to hold brake drums to axles, flywheels to crank shafts and so on ~ high torque force applications where brute force separating would damage bearings and other internal parts .

-Nate



          Max   wrote :

Thats splitting hairs. OK, the taper is right above the threads. It makes a very snug fit and takes a lot of persuasion to come apart. Max
 

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[diesel_mercedes] VW Repair

 



Thank you Bill ! .

-Nate
           Bill   wrote :

I did a google search of Los Angeles for VW oriented Machine Shops.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Los+Angeles+VW+oriented+Machine+Shop+&*&spf=68

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Separating Taper Fit Joints

 

Thats splitting hairs. OK, the taper is right above the threads. It makes a very snug fit and takes a lot of persuasion to come apart. Max

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 6:54 AM, corvallis@peoplepc.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I did a google search of Los Angeles for VW oriented Machine Shops.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Los+Angeles+VW+oriented+Machine+Shop+&*&spf=68

Bill in Oregon

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I have yet to see any threaded item that is tapered.....

Whacking the threaded stud to separate things is always very bad practice .

? Anyone here know of a good VW oriented Machine Shop ? .

-Nate

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      Max  wrote :

Well, there is two parts here. One the ball joint itself and then the tapered threads, both are stubborn. The tapered threads dont really matter because you can whack from the bottom, yes you destroy it but so what, its junk anyway. Its the ball joint itself  that I find hardest.  Max

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, vwnate1@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




I like to smack the side of the tapered hole with my 32 Oz. ball peen hammer ~ if you hit it *just* right, the shock will pop loose and taper fit pin .

The ' just right ' part can be tricky as it's usually softer than you'd expect .

-Nate
       Max   wrote :

This is not really too far off topic, it is a question about cars. One of my boys and I just replaced ball joints on the 2006 Subaru. I've done this twice now and these things are really hard to break loose.  Both times I ended up using a steel firewood splitting wedge and a very big hammer  because nothing else we had worked. We even had a borrowed pickle fork , a very large pry bar. So while we were breaking these things loose I am always wondering what the real guys use for this job. These were in the car for 161K and did not want to come out. Whats  anyone else do for this job? Max

 

 




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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Separating Taper Fit Joints

 

I did a google search of Los Angeles for VW oriented Machine Shops.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Los+Angeles+VW+oriented+Machine+Shop+&*&spf=68

Bill in Oregon

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Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Separating Taper Fit Joints

 

I have yet to see any threaded item that is tapered.....

Whacking the threaded stud to separate things is always very bad practice .

? Anyone here know of a good VW oriented Machine Shop ? .

-Nate

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      Max  wrote :

Well, there is two parts here. One the ball joint itself and then the tapered threads, both are stubborn. The tapered threads dont really matter because you can whack from the bottom, yes you destroy it but so what, its junk anyway. Its the ball joint itself  that I find hardest.  Max

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, vwnate1@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




I like to smack the side of the tapered hole with my 32 Oz. ball peen hammer ~ if you hit it *just* right, the shock will pop loose and taper fit pin .

The ' just right ' part can be tricky as it's usually softer than you'd expect .

-Nate
       Max   wrote :

This is not really too far off topic, it is a question about cars. One of my boys and I just replaced ball joints on the 2006 Subaru. I've done this twice now and these things are really hard to break loose.  Both times I ended up using a steel firewood splitting wedge and a very big hammer  because nothing else we had worked. We even had a borrowed pickle fork , a very large pry bar. So while we were breaking these things loose I am always wondering what the real guys use for this job. These were in the car for 161K and did not want to come out. Whats  anyone else do for this job? Max

 

 

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I have yet to see any threaded item that is tapered.....

Whacking the threaded stud to separate things is always very bad practice .

? Anyone here know of a good VW oriented Machine Shop ? .

-Nate
      Max  wrote :

Well, there is two parts here. One the ball joint itself and then the tapered threads, both are stubborn. The tapered threads dont really matter because you can whack from the bottom, yes you destroy it but so what, its junk anyway. Its the ball joint itself  that I find hardest.  Max

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, vwnate1@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




I like to smack the side of the tapered hole with my 32 Oz. ball peen hammer ~ if you hit it *just* right, the shock will pop loose and taper fit pin .

The ' just right ' part can be tricky as it's usually softer than you'd expect .

-Nate
       Max   wrote :

This is not really too far off topic, it is a question about cars. One of my boys and I just replaced ball joints on the 2006 Subaru. I've done this twice now and these things are really hard to break loose.  Both times I ended up using a steel firewood splitting wedge and a very big hammer  because nothing else we had worked. We even had a borrowed pickle fork , a very large pry bar. So while we were breaking these things loose I am always wondering what the real guys use for this job. These were in the car for 161K and did not want to come out. Whats  anyone else do for this job? Max




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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Separating Taper Fit Joints

 

Well, there is two parts here. One the ball joint itself and then the tapered threads, both are stubborn. The tapered threads dont really matter because you can whack from the bottom, yes you destroy it but so what, its junk anyway. Its the ball joint itself  that I find hardest.  Max

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




I like to smack the side of the tapered hole with my 32 Oz. ball peen hammer ~ if you hit it *just* right, the shock will pop loose and taper fit pin .

The ' just right ' part can be tricky as it's usually softer than you'd expect .

-Nate
       Max   wrote :

This is not really too far off topic, it is a question about cars. One of my boys and I just replaced ball joints on the 2006 Subaru. I've done this twice now and these things are really hard to break loose.  Both times I ended up using a steel firewood splitting wedge and a very big hammer  because nothing else we had worked. We even had a borrowed pickle fork , a very large pry bar. So while we were breaking these things loose I am always wondering what the real guys use for this job. These were in the car for 161K and did not want to come out. Whats  anyone else do for this job? Max




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[diesel_mercedes] The Beautiful Desert

 



Oh, yeah ~ I often think of Muldoon .

I just got back from tooling to Death Valley in my 1959 VW Beetle .

Sadly the Junk Yard engine I was tricked into buying as ' rebuilt' failed in the middle of the Panamint Valley necessitating another $1,000.00 vacation expense plus of course when the engine blew, it really blew and crated the case making it impossible to ever ever repair, i'm home safe and sound but " Elixir " now needs yet another engine .

I learned quite a bit from " Poor Richard's Rabbit Book, I owned  a 1982 Rabbit Convertible in the 1990's .

Nice photo ! thanx for sharing it .

I briefly watched those various T.V. shows and it's obvious they're all full of crap from the jump .

BTW : the two hammer trick works very well .

Pickle forks often ruin the rubber dust boots on parts that are still good .

Yes, they make chatter gun pickle fork attachments, I don't like chatter guns much .

-Nate
                      Max   wrote :

I never heard of him. But nowdays its much easier to learn stuff. Best two books I ever had in my whole life(except of course the bible) were "The VW and Subaru Idiots Manual", I learned everything from them. Loved the stories of Wilbur Kleenex and the Muldoon guy out in the New Mexico or Arizona desert somewheres. Now there is youtube,  and some of those guys are pretty good, and of course digital cameras to take pictures to remind you of what it looked like before you took it apart. We did not have those, I know Nate remembers the old days.  Heading back home after 4 weeks of tripping around the south land. Max

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:32 AM, 'Atwood,Warren' Warren.Atwood@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


You won't watch Edd China on WD anymore:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=8IB15T1LYiY

 

 

From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups. com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@ yahoogroups.com]
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Well, we had the wrong pickle fork. They gave us the one for a tie rod but when we compared they looked exactly the same and it was not working for the ball joint. I bet there is a impact tool with a pickle type head to hammer them loose. Max

 

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 10:53 PM, corvallis@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups. com> wrote:

 

On Wheeler Dealers Edd China would put a heavy hammer against one side of the 'joint' and hit the other side with another hammer.

I've always used a pickle fork and not had a problem. Bill in Oregon

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I like to smack the side of the tapered hole with my 32 Oz. ball peen hammer ~ if you hit it *just* right, the shock will pop loose and taper fit pin .

The ' just right ' part can be tricky as it's usually softer than you'd expect .

-Nate
       Max   wrote :

This is not really too far off topic, it is a question about cars. One of my boys and I just replaced ball joints on the 2006 Subaru. I've done this twice now and these things are really hard to break loose.  Both times I ended up using a steel firewood splitting wedge and a very big hammer  because nothing else we had worked. We even had a borrowed pickle fork , a very large pry bar. So while we were breaking these things loose I am always wondering what the real guys use for this job. These were in the car for 161K and did not want to come out. Whats  anyone else do for this job? Max

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: LED lighted glove(s)

 



Pretty cool and CHEAP too ! .

-Nate
        Bill  wrote :

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RE: [diesel_mercedes] off topic, a little bit

 

This is a good read, especially if you're in a pensive or life change mode.

Last 10 pages focus on Gumption Traps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumption_trap

Bill in Oregon

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Max – the VW manual was perfect.  Also enjoyed this one;

did not have a street bike,  preferred MX bikes, especially

the Spainish ones.  My fave was Montesa. 

  

 

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I never heard of him. But nowdays its much easier to learn stuff. Best two books I ever had in my whole life(except of course the bible) were "The VW and Subaru Idiots Manual", I learned everything from them. Loved the stories of Wilbur Kleenex and the Muldoon guy out in the New Mexico or Arizona desert somewheres. Now there is youtube,  and some of those guys are pretty good, and of course digital cameras to take pictures to remind you of what it looked like before you took it apart. We did not have those, I know Nate remembers the old days.  Heading back home after 4 weeks of tripping around the south land. Max

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:32 AM, 'Atwood,Warren' Warren.Atwood@altramotion.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

You won't watch Edd China on WD anymore:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IB15T1LYiY

 

 

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Well, we had the wrong pickle fork. They gave us the one for a tie rod but when we compared they looked exactly the same and it was not working for the ball joint. I bet there is a impact tool with a pickle type head to hammer them loose. Max

 

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 10:53 PM, corvallis@peoplepc.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

On Wheeler Dealers Edd China would put a heavy hammer against one side of the 'joint' and hit the other side with another hammer.

I've always used a pickle fork and not had a problem. Bill in Oregon

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This is not really too far off topic, it is a question about cars. One of my boys and I just replaced ball joints on the 2006 Subaru. I've done this twice now and these things are really hard to break loose.  Both times I ended up using a steel firewood splitting wedge and a very big hammer  because nothing else we had worked. We even had a borrowed pickle fork , a very large pry bar. So while we were breaking these things loose I am always wondering what the real guys use for this job. These were in the car for 161K and did not want to come out. Whats  anyone else do for this job? Max

 

 

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