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Re: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
Posted by: "Michael E. Williams" <attymw@yahoo.com>
Re: [diesel_mercedes] Klima I woes, was: Klima II woes
From: "'Michael E. Williams' attymw@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes]" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:20:04 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Klima I woes, was: Klima II woes
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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
Mt Pleasant, MI.? We (Dana Corp.) had a manufacturing plant there, and visited a few times.
We had a joke, no mountain and it was not pleasant.
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:11 PM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
No, tan sorry. Have a 79 450SEL also with black leather. The back seat is toast though. Both parts cars are up at my in-law's farm in Mt. Pleasant. I need to run up there and bring them back to part out. Winter project!
Ben near Detroit
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:20 PM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
Does the 78 280SE parts car have a blue interior? I would like to replace the back seats and driver's seats in my 77 280SE.
Michael E. Williams, Esq.
Attorney & Counselor at Law
15223 Farmington Rd., Ste. 15
Livonia, MI 48154
(248)474-0670
website:www.williamslegalfirm.com
email: attymw@yahoo.com
From: "bgiovan@cavtel.net [diesel_mercedes]" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
It does Nate. I mistyped. The grey ghost is a 1979 300SD (W116). I'm half tempted to rip the whole thing out and put in the manual Euro I have in the '78 280SE Euro parts car.
Ben near Detroit
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:26 PM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
OOPS ! Kilma II doesn't have an Evil Servo..... sorry ben .
I'd take the blower out or maybe a spare one and take it apart , see if NAPA has the brushes in stock or buy them for 3 X the $ from Kent @ Mercedes' Source . I did this and the instruction booklet was missing a page .
In any case , it's a couple hour job , a spare set of hands is helpful but not mandatory .
If the blower only runs on " high " or occasionally after a bump , the brushes are shot .
-Nate
Ben wrote :
Thanks for the intel everyone. I'll dig into it this weekend and report back. Luckily I have a few parts cars around! J
Ben near Detroit
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:56 PM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
Brushes in the blower motor is the first thing to check .
New blowers are now very cheap ~ $100 +/- .
I assume you've done the basic Evil Klima I servo testing ? it _MUST_ travel from one extreme to the other evenly and stop with a thump .
if it groans to a stop at one extreme or the other , it _WILL_ burn up your amplifier ~ it's right behind the glove box liner .
-Nate
Ben wrote :
Mark/Nate, need your expertise. The blower on my 79SD stopped blowin. Fuse is fine. Winter's a comin and need heat and defrost. Where to start? Most likely culprit?
Thanks!
Ben near Detroit
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Klima I woes, was: Klima II woes
From: "bgiovan@cavtel.net [diesel_mercedes]" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:08:58 PM
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Klima I woes, was: Klima II woes
Yeah, sorry I fat fingered it. J
It does not blow at all on DEF and the fuse is fine.
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:41 PM
To: diesel mercedes
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Klima I woes, was: Klima II woes
Yeah, the '79 SD will be Klima (I)/AutoTemp II.
The fan should blow at top speed when the "DEF" button is pushed, even if everything else is blown/shorted/broken. It's the mode of last resort, insuring at least a clear windshield for safety's sake, bypassing the servo and amplifier, etc.
If it blows on "DEF", then the blower is good, and the problem is most likely in the servo and/or amplifier. If it doesn't blow in "DEF", and the fuse and fuse contacts are OK, then it could be the blower (possible), a wire or connector supplying power to the blower (somewhat possible), or the button assembly itself (not very possible).
I have, somewhere, a .pdf of the schematic of MB's version of the old Chrysler AutoTemp II. Let me know if you would like a copy of it, and I'll dig it up.
Mark
From: "bgiovan@cavtel.net [diesel_mercedes]" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:58:56 PM
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
It does Nate. I mistyped. The grey ghost is a 1979 300SD (W116). I'm half tempted to rip the whole thing out and put in the manual Euro I have in the '78 280SE Euro parts car.
Ben near Detroit
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:26 PM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
OOPS ! Kilma II doesn't have an Evil Servo..... sorry ben ..
Posted by: "Mark in Lakewood, CO" <beeser750@q.com>
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Re: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Klima I woes, was: Klima II woes
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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
No, tan sorry. Have a 79 450SEL also with black leather. The back seat is toast though. Both parts cars are up at my in-law's farm in Mt. Pleasant. I need to run up there and bring them back to part out. Winter project!
Ben near Detroit
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:20 PM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
Does the 78 280SE parts car have a blue interior? I would like to replace the back seats and driver's seats in my 77 280SE.
Michael E. Williams, Esq.
Attorney & Counselor at Law
15223 Farmington Rd., Ste. 15
Livonia, MI 48154
(248)474-0670
website:www.williamslegalfirm.com
email: attymw@yahoo.com
From: "bgiovan@cavtel.net [diesel_mercedes]" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
It does Nate. I mistyped. The grey ghost is a 1979 300SD (W116). I'm half tempted to rip the whole thing out and put in the manual Euro I have in the '78 280SE Euro parts car.
Ben near Detroit
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:26 PM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
OOPS ! Kilma II doesn't have an Evil Servo..... sorry ben .
I'd take the blower out or maybe a spare one and take it apart , see if NAPA has the brushes in stock or buy them for 3 X the $ from Kent @ Mercedes' Source . I did this and the instruction booklet was missing a page .
In any case , it's a couple hour job , a spare set of hands is helpful but not mandatory .
If the blower only runs on " high " or occasionally after a bump , the brushes are shot .
-Nate
Ben wrote :
Thanks for the intel everyone. I'll dig into it this weekend and report back. Luckily I have a few parts cars around! J
Ben near Detroit
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:56 PM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
Brushes in the blower motor is the first thing to check .
New blowers are now very cheap ~ $100 +/- .
I assume you've done the basic Evil Klima I servo testing ? it _MUST_ travel from one extreme to the other evenly and stop with a thump .
if it groans to a stop at one extreme or the other , it _WILL_ burn up your amplifier ~ it's right behind the glove box liner .
-Nate
Ben wrote :
Mark/Nate, need your expertise. The blower on my 79SD stopped blowin. Fuse is fine. Winter's a comin and need heat and defrost. Where to start? Most likely culprit?
Thanks!
Ben near Detroit
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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Klima I woes, was: Klima II woes
Yeah, sorry I fat fingered it. J
It does not blow at all on DEF and the fuse is fine.
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:41 PM
To: diesel mercedes
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Klima I woes, was: Klima II woes
Yeah, the '79 SD will be Klima (I)/AutoTemp II.
The fan should blow at top speed when the "DEF" button is pushed, even if everything else is blown/shorted/broken. It's the mode of last resort, insuring at least a clear windshield for safety's sake, bypassing the servo and amplifier, etc.
If it blows on "DEF", then the blower is good, and the problem is most likely in the servo and/or amplifier. If it doesn't blow in "DEF", and the fuse and fuse contacts are OK, then it could be the blower (possible), a wire or connector supplying power to the blower (somewhat possible), or the button assembly itself (not very possible).
I have, somewhere, a .pdf of the schematic of MB's version of the old Chrysler AutoTemp II. Let me know if you would like a copy of it, and I'll dig it up.
Mark
From: "bgiovan@cavtel.net [diesel_mercedes]" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:58:56 PM
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
It does Nate. I mistyped. The grey ghost is a 1979 300SD (W116). I'm half tempted to rip the whole thing out and put in the manual Euro I have in the '78 280SE Euro parts car.
Ben near Detroit
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:26 PM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Klima II woes
OOPS ! Kilma II doesn't have an Evil Servo..... sorry ben ..
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