Mostly SWMBO driving in town .
Silver bottle Diesel Kleen Cetane Booster used @ 3 Oz. per fillup , I only fill up when it's below the reserve mark .
229 miles , 21.3 MPG .
The car runs great but the fuel mileage seems to be dropping ~ maybe I need to take it on a long road trip .
-Nate
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Sadly , this seems to be cropping up on me fairly often these days =8-^.
-Nate
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Yep ;
I have one of those too , it works a treat on my old Mercedes & other vehicles as I try to flush out and replace all the brake fluid every twop years , the labor is far easier than the eventual cylinder failures from old black nasty brake fluid .
Apparently , I can't move the fluid through the system fast enough to push the bubbles down the near vertical pipe connecting the two blind brake cylinders .
Nice pressure bleeders are cheap these days, back in the Service Station we had this HUGE thing on casters that contained a couple gallons of brake fluid .
-Nate
Bogy wrote :
>
> When I was a young'un we had pressurized brake bleeders.
> Would they move brake fluid through the lines fast enough to force out the air bubbles on those down-lower cylinders?
>
> Otherwise, I do like nate - I flush out the dirty fluid the usual way and then if I can I back bleed to force the bubbles uphill. That requires 2 people though.
>
> But I also have a bleeder hose with a check valve near the wheel cylinder so that I can bleed them single handed. the hose is 15 feet long and clear so I can see when the fluid is clean and I can see any and all bubbles as they return to the master cylinder. (Yes once it's clean I let it go back to the master cylinder.)
>
> When the bubbles stop I figure that is as good as I can get. Even though I'm still sure from the feel that there are bubbles in the system. there always seems to be a little too much sponginess in the pedal for me. When there are no bubbles it will be rock hard when it does stop. I used to be able to do that when I was in high school and working at gas stations. Not so much since then.
>
> Bogy.
>
>
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Yes ;
I know this and purchased a pump oiler to use for reverse bleeding , it leaked like a sieve all over my hands , I connected the clear hose and tried anyway , still no joy so I gave up and tossed it into the trashcan .
30 years ago , the most popular medium duty truck in the world was the Ford C-800 tilt cab series (1957 ~ 1992) and they , like millions of IHC cab overs had vertical clutch master cylinders about 10' above the slave cylinder making them near impossible to bleed out ~ Bendix & Wagner both suggested during my factory training that I use some .002" shim stock cut into a 6' long narrow strip , slid in the mouth of the master cylinder , past the cups until the air stopped bubbling out to bleed them .
Sigh .
I just replaced all four front wheel cylinders , the car has dual leading shoe front brakes top it really stops well , once I get the air out of it .
-Nate
Larry wrote :
>
> That is a common practice with airplanes and some farm machinery where the master cylinder is way above the wheels. When you pump fluid in the wheel cylinders, you push the bubbles up into the master cylinder, the same direction that they tend to float. It can take a lot of fluid to push bubbles down from the master cylinder to the wheel cylinders when the wheels are 6 feet down on a combine harvester.
>
> The down side of this method is that you can push dirt from the wheel cylinders up to the master cylinder. That can be a very bad thing, because master cylinders and the other stuff up there is much more complex than a wheel cylinder. On my Mercedes I bleed the brakes pumping from the master cylinder to get clean fluid into the wheel cylinders as well as get rid of bubbles.
>
> Larry
>
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <corvallis@> wrote:
> >
> > You got Mechanics and you got Designers. They don't mix.
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate
> > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 6:03 AM
> > To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: So. Cal. Car Show Sunday 4/14
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah ;
> >
> > Not enough space to switch the hose else I'da done that 20 years ago .
> >
> > At the car show I met an old Friend who's English and was working on BMC
> > Products back when Mets were new , he suggested taking the drums off and
> > popping out the upper cylinder;s piston *just* enough to let the air burp
> > out then re assemble , he says that's how he's done it for over 50 years....
> >
> > Sigh .
> >
> > Sometimes being a Mechanic means doing things in a reverse order .
> >
> > When new , the cars were back filled with brake fluid from the bottom
> > mounted bleeder screws ~ seems counter intuitive to me but I don't make cars
> > , I just fix 'em decades later .
> >
> > -Nate
> >
> > ====================================================
> >
> >
> > Bill wrote :
> > >
> > > I saw a similar situation .somewhere. The previous owner switched the
> > > bleeder valve and the inlet hose, and it was working when I saw it.
> > >
> > > I have bled a 'hose higher', not a Metropolitan, by loosening the inlet
> > hose
> > > and using it as the "bleeder valve." Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Nate
> > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:46 AM
> > > To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: So. Cal. Car Show Sunday 4/14
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Because BMC wisely (?) decided to place the front brake bleeder screws 5"
> > > _below_ the hose connection so they're near impossible to bleed out .
> > >
> > > Still no joy , sigh .
> > >
> > > Usually there's a few (like three) Mets there , this year not one .
> > >
> > > The show was TERRIFIC .
> > >
> > > -Nate
> > >
> > > ================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill wrote :
> > > >
> > > > Why not the Metropolitan? It's British. Bill in Oregon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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You'll be pleased to learn that the most excellent Japanese made HARDA power antennas will fit and they're only $45 or so brand new and never seem to poop out .
Lots and lots of them on junked cars for this reason .
Also most top line Japanese Automobiles have good working power antennas that don't ever quit .
Those ' rubber ducky ' things are shyte and always have been ~ they're designed and sold for dufus' who want it to look cool more than actually work .
I've had pretty good luck with my Hirschmann power antennas but in reality , were I not so hard headed about the ' right stuff ' on my vehicles , I'd prolly just grab the Harada that's lying in my back yard & slap it on....
-Nate
Jim wrote :
>
> I have two W123s. On one of them I have a $15 universal replacement off ebay, just a rubber antenna, no retract, just sits there looking stupid. It's OK.
>
> On the other, I got a cheap knockoff retractable antenna. It goes up but usually doesn't go all the way down. Most of the time, it's sticking up a few inches, rarely does it retract all the way. I just push it down with my hand if I want it to be down. It's been on the car for five years no other problems.
>
> As far as reception goes, the retractable beats the universal by a good margin. Around town, I don't notice a difference, but if I'm on a road trip, the retract gets much better reception. My local stations are fading at 30-40 miles out of town with the universal rubber antenna, but the retract can receive for double that distance.
>
> Jim
>
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Thank you ! .
The one I liked best was a '57 Bond with a fibreglas roof instead of the flop top .
It was unrestored . the owner told me it has four speeds and he'd taken it up to 40 MPH in third gear then wisely chickened out .
-Nate
Bill wrote :
>
> At bottom of this link; Bond .James Bond
>
> http://classiccarweekly.wordpress.com/tag/mk-d/
>
> _____
>
> From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:58 AM
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: So. Cal. Car Show Sunday 4/14
>
>
>
> Yep ;
>
> Little British Car .
>
> There were even TWO Bond tri wheel cars ~ these have the look of a tiny
> automobile but only two wheels in the back , in front is a 198 C.C. Villiers
> two stroke Motocycle engine mounted on a pivoting bracket thing that's
> connected to a steering wheel via a worm gear..
>
> This makes it technically a Motocycle and so co$t$ far less to register . no
> heater , no radio , no _REVERSE_ .
>
> Of course , it _does_ have a normal looking front sheet metal , two head
> lights , wildly exaggerated pontoon fenders , grille and bumper , windshield
> with wipers , two doors etc. just like a ' real ' car .
>
> Google " Reliant " to see the newer and more popular vehicles of this typ .
>
> Someone tried very hard to legally import them new in the 1970's , those I
> remember quite well , the Califonia DMV said _no_ .
>
> The Bond I liked so much was a 1957 tiny little thing .
>
> -Nate
>
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When I was a young'un we had pressurized brake bleeders.
Would they move brake fluid through the lines fast enough to force out the air bubbles on those down-lower cylinders?
Otherwise, I do like nate - I flush out the dirty fluid the usual way and then if I can I back bleed to force the bubbles uphill. That requires 2 people though.
But I also have a bleeder hose with a check valve near the wheel cylinder so that I can bleed them single handed. the hose is 15 feet long and clear so I can see when the fluid is clean and I can see any and all bubbles as they return to the master cylinder. (Yes once it's clean I let it go back to the master cylinder.)
When the bubbles stop I figure that is as good as I can get. Even though I'm still sure from the feel that there are bubbles in the system. there always seems to be a little too much sponginess in the pedal for me. When there are no bubbles it will be rock hard when it does stop. I used to be able to do that when I was in high school and working at gas stations. Not so much since then.
Bogy.
--- On Mon, 4/15/13, Larry <dittmer.larry@yahoo.com> wrote:
> That is a common practice with
> airplanes and some farm machinery where the master cylinder
> is way above the wheels. When you pump fluid in the
> wheel cylinders, you push the bubbles up into the master
> cylinder, the same direction that they tend to float.
> It can take a lot of fluid to push bubbles down from the
> master cylinder to the wheel cylinders when the wheels are 6
> feet down on a combine harvester.
>
> The down side of this method is that you can push dirt from
> the wheel cylinders up to the master cylinder. That
> can be a very bad thing, because master cylinders and the
> other stuff up there is much more complex than a wheel
> cylinder. On my Mercedes I bleed the brakes pumping
> from the master cylinder to get clean fluid into the wheel
> cylinders as well as get rid of bubbles.
>
> Larry
>
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com,
> <corvallis@...> wrote:
> >
> > You got Mechanics and you got Designers. They don't
> mix.
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Nate
> > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 6:03 AM
> > To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: So. Cal. Car Show Sunday
> 4/14
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah ;
> >
> > Not enough space to switch the hose else I'da done that
> 20 years ago .
> >
> > At the car show I met an old Friend who's English and
> was working on BMC
> > Products back when Mets were new , he suggested taking
> the drums off and
> > popping out the upper cylinder;s piston *just* enough
> to let the air burp
> > out then re assemble , he says that's how he's done it
> for over 50 years....
> >
> > Sigh .
> >
> > Sometimes being a Mechanic means doing things in a
> reverse order .
> >
> > When new , the cars were back filled with brake fluid
> from the bottom
> > mounted bleeder screws ~ seems counter intuitive to me
> but I don't make cars
> > , I just fix 'em decades later .
> >
> > -Nate
> >
> > ====================================================
> >
> >
> > Bill wrote :
> > >
> > > I saw a similar situation .somewhere. The previous
> owner switched the
> > > bleeder valve and the inlet hose, and it was
> working when I saw it.
> > >
> > > I have bled a 'hose higher', not a Metropolitan,
> by loosening the inlet
> > hose
> > > and using it as the "bleeder valve." Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Nate
> > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:46 AM
> > > To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: So. Cal. Car Show
> Sunday 4/14
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Because BMC wisely (?) decided to place the front
> brake bleeder screws 5"
> > > _below_ the hose connection so they're near
> impossible to bleed out .
> > >
> > > Still no joy , sigh .
> > >
> > > Usually there's a few (like three) Mets there ,
> this year not one .
> > >
> > > The show was TERRIFIC .
> > >
> > > -Nate
> > >
> > >
> ================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill wrote :
> > > >
> > > > Why not the Metropolitan? It's British. Bill
> in Oregon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
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>
>
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At bottom of this link; Bond …James Bond http://classiccarweekly.wordpress.com/tag/mk-d/ From: Yep ; There was also an Aston Martin DB5 at the show, with all the "accessories": Ejector seat (well done with what looked like aircraft ejector bits; front machine guns behind fold down marker lights; rear oil sprays behind fold down tail lights; bullet shield plate; rear axle extenders; hydraulic bumper over riders. Even Tilly Masterson's gun case on the rear shelf, with the gold "TM" initials. Where the Goldfinger movie car had a round radio direction finder screen, the car at the show had Goldfinger playing on the round screen. A little girl carrying a hobby horse knocked off one of the bumper over riders when she turned to talk to someone. Instead of freaking out, like so many specialty car owners do when something goes awry, the car's owner simply popped open the boot and found the box with the glue, repaired the broken plastic clamp bracket and put the bumper over rider back on. Tom In a message dated 4/15/2013 6:07:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, corvallis@peoplepc.com writes:
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:58 AM
To:
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: So.
Little British Car .
There were even TWO Bond tri wheel cars ~ these have the look of a tiny automobile but only two wheels in the back , in front is a 198 C.C. Villiers two stroke Motocycle engine mounted on a pivoting bracket thing that's connected to a steering wheel via a worm gear..
This makes it technically a Motocycle and so co$t$ far less to register . no heater , no radio , no _REVERSE_ .
Of course , it _does_ have a normal looking front sheet metal , two head lights , wildly exaggerated pontoon fenders , grille and bumper , windshield with wipers , two doors etc. just like a ' real ' car .
Google " Reliant " to see the newer and more popular vehicles of this typ .
Someone tried very hard to legally import them new in the 1970's , those I remember quite well , the Califonia DMV said _no_ .
The Bond I liked so much was a 1957 tiny little thing .
-Nate
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That is a common practice with airplanes and some farm machinery where the master cylinder is way above the wheels. When you pump fluid in the wheel cylinders, you push the bubbles up into the master cylinder, the same direction that they tend to float. It can take a lot of fluid to push bubbles down from the master cylinder to the wheel cylinders when the wheels are 6 feet down on a combine harvester.
The down side of this method is that you can push dirt from the wheel cylinders up to the master cylinder. That can be a very bad thing, because master cylinders and the other stuff up there is much more complex than a wheel cylinder. On my Mercedes I bleed the brakes pumping from the master cylinder to get clean fluid into the wheel cylinders as well as get rid of bubbles.
Larry
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <corvallis@...> wrote:
>
> You got Mechanics and you got Designers. They don't mix.
>
> _____
>
> From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 6:03 AM
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: So. Cal. Car Show Sunday 4/14
>
>
>
> Yeah ;
>
> Not enough space to switch the hose else I'da done that 20 years ago .
>
> At the car show I met an old Friend who's English and was working on BMC
> Products back when Mets were new , he suggested taking the drums off and
> popping out the upper cylinder;s piston *just* enough to let the air burp
> out then re assemble , he says that's how he's done it for over 50 years....
>
> Sigh .
>
> Sometimes being a Mechanic means doing things in a reverse order .
>
> When new , the cars were back filled with brake fluid from the bottom
> mounted bleeder screws ~ seems counter intuitive to me but I don't make cars
> , I just fix 'em decades later .
>
> -Nate
>
> ====================================================
>
>
> Bill wrote :
> >
> > I saw a similar situation .somewhere. The previous owner switched the
> > bleeder valve and the inlet hose, and it was working when I saw it.
> >
> > I have bled a 'hose higher', not a Metropolitan, by loosening the inlet
> hose
> > and using it as the "bleeder valve." Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Nate
> > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:46 AM
> > To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: So. Cal. Car Show Sunday 4/14
> >
> >
> >
> > Because BMC wisely (?) decided to place the front brake bleeder screws 5"
> > _below_ the hose connection so they're near impossible to bleed out .
> >
> > Still no joy , sigh .
> >
> > Usually there's a few (like three) Mets there , this year not one .
> >
> > The show was TERRIFIC .
> >
> > -Nate
> >
> > ================================================================
> >
> >
> > Bill wrote :
> > >
> > > Why not the Metropolitan? It's British. Bill in Oregon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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I have two W123s. On one of them I have a $15 universal replacement off ebay, just a rubber antenna, no retract, just sits there looking stupid. It's OK.
On the other, I got a cheap knockoff retractable antenna. It goes up but usually doesn't go all the way down. Most of the time, it's sticking up a few inches, rarely does it retract all the way. I just push it down with my hand if I want it to be down. It's been on the car for five years no other problems.
As far as reception goes, the retractable beats the universal by a good margin. Around town, I don't notice a difference, but if I'm on a road trip, the retract gets much better reception. My local stations are fading at 30-40 miles out of town with the universal rubber antenna, but the retract can receive for double that distance.
Jim
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You got Mechanics and you got Designers. They don't mix.
From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 6:03 AM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: So. Cal. Car Show Sunday 4/14
Yeah ;
Not enough space to switch the hose else I'da done that 20 years ago .
At the car show I met an old Friend who's English and was working on BMC Products back when Mets were new , he suggested taking the drums off and popping out the upper cylinder;s piston *just* enough to let the air burp out then re assemble , he says that's how he's done it for over 50 years....
Sigh .
Sometimes being a Mechanic means doing things in a reverse order .
When new , the cars were back filled with brake fluid from the bottom mounted bleeder screws ~ seems counter intuitive to me but I don't make cars , I just fix 'em decades later .
-Nate====================================================
Bill wrote :
>
> I saw a similar situation .somewhere. The previous owner switched the
> bleeder valve and the inlet hose, and it was working when I saw it.
>
> I have bled a 'hose higher', not a Metropolitan, by loosening the inlet hose
> and using it as the "bleeder valve." Bill
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:46 AM
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: So. Cal. Car Show Sunday 4/14
>
>
>
> Because BMC wisely (?) decided to place the front brake bleeder screws 5"
> _below_ the hose connection so they're near impossible to bleed out .
>
> Still no joy , sigh .
>
> Usually there's a few (like three) Mets there , this year not one .
>
> The show was TERRIFIC .
>
> -Nate
>
> ================================================================
>
>
> Bill wrote :
> >
> > Why not the Metropolitan? It's British. Bill in Oregon
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
>
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