Re: [diesel_mercedes] Discussion closed - Re: They LIED

 

Taran,

Thanks for your efforts and patience here.

I moderate another list.  I set it up so new people get moderated.  Once they have posted a reasonable message, I switch the newbie to unmoderated.  This gives me the best of both worlds - not much workload on me and fewer spams.

Bobby

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Taran <taranreese@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

For many years I personally approved messages; at this point I just delete the spam and hope you all conduct yourselves with respect. I don't have the time or inclination to review everything that comes through. In the future, if you think a thread or member is inappropriate, please email me at taranreese (at) yahoo (dot) com

Be good to each other and enjoy the summer!

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Boyd Wright <bgthegreat@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Taran, this is long long overdue!  I am a member of the Chrysler NYer group and we don't have this kind of chatter.  I, for one would appreciate if you keep a tighter control. 
>
>
> Boyd
> >>>>>>>
> From: Taran <taranreese@...>


> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:39 PM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Discussion closed - Re: They LIED
>
>
>  
> Gang, once things degenerate into name-calling, it has no place here. Please take this conversation and attitude somewhere else. No more responses to this thread, please, and no new threads along these lines.
>
> Also, complaining about a lack of group moderation and then making nasty comments to other members is kinda misguided. Keep it civil or keep on moving.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Taran, group moderator
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "n61cm" <jim@> wrote:
> >
> > Ethanol does use more dino than it replaces and it does drive food prices up. I am totally against it, and it would not survive were it not for government subsidies. However, WVO is another nut altogether. Both are biofuels, but I'm "for" one and "against" the other.
> >
> > As to climate change, well, the data demonstrates that it is occurring. "Why," we can argue about, but "whether" is a settled question, according to everyone not a member in good standing of the Flat Earth Society. Not only does the data prove it, but a quick search for "glacier collapse" on youtube will give you a bunch of videos to satisfy anyone's need for anecdotal evidence. Why anyone would push back on calls to change our fuel supply to something greener is beyond me. Even if you don't subscribe to the theory that climate change exists, we should agree that we should change our fuel supply to something smarter if only to stop sending our money to the jerks who have all the oil.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>




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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : A Grand Day Out

 

Oh wow I forgot about the chowder! Yum.  Ugh as you related the upgrades I flashed about the porta potty's.  Ewww even though back when I hung out there I was part of the surfer crowd, which means our cold drink was beer..I was sober enough to hate those things.  That was, oh my, nearly 30yrs ago. I can't believe they haven't done something different.  I remember the (real, not kit) Cobra's growling down the road on their way to Neptune's Nest.  And the motorcycles and everything and everyone else!  Oh and the stuff written on the walls. 

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


That was our first stop , I bought everyone large clam chowders & we sat & watched The ocean and Birds , Motorcyclists Etc. come and go .

The building is the same but there's been many changes ~ a fancy-schmancy paved parking lot with much needed space wasted on plants and curbstones .

Still has nasty un cleaned porta-potties ~ I guess the management doesn't realize how easy it is to tell if they've been cleaned in a week or two .

-Nate
Trish wrote:
>
> If you're going for a cruise up PCH go all the way up to the Venture County Line and stop by Neptunes Net for some fresh boiled shrimp, garlic toast and a cool beverage. It used to be THE place on the weekends. I sure miss cruising just for the heck of it. Here in TX I have to go 4 hrs just to get to the beach. That's the only place worth cruising to...everything else looks the same.
>
> 81' 300 SD
> Trish




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[diesel_mercedes] New moderation policy

 

Since we've had a rash of off-topic, ad-hominem posting, I've switched the group back to fully moderated. While this may sound great to those who were frustrated by the noise, moderation comes at a cost to all of us.

For now, I will have to approve each and every posting to the group, even from long-time members. That means it will take longer for your posts to be published to the group. Please don't submit the same message repeatedly and ask why it isn't appearing.

Since I don't enjoy playing traffic cop, I'm going to be fairly mercenary about this. If your post is not relevant to diesel Mercedes autos, I will most likely deny it. Folks who post off-topic repeatedly will be banned.

My hope is that after a little supervision, the conversation will move back where it belongs, and folks who want to discuss politics and alternative fuel theories, or make personal attacks will move on. At that point, we'll return to our previous policy of established members being able to post freely.

Thanks for being a part of this group,

Taran Reese
group moderator

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Ethanol as fuel.

 

This conversation is not germane to Diesel Mercedes automobiles. Please keep posts relevant to the group's focus.

Thanks,

Taran, group moderator

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Lost but making good time." <aldridgetony97@...> wrote:
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> Blaming ethanol production for rising food costs was an oil company scam. They want to slag ethanol and bio fuels at every opportunity.
> The cause of higher corn prices was the higher cost of petro fuel for farm tractors, delivery and building heating costs.
>
> Having said that, corn is not a good feedstock for ethanol, sugar is much better but cannot be grown very far from the tropics.
> Tony
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Ethanol as fuel.

 

I can't see why grass clipings,pruned shrubbery,vegetable matter in garbage ins'nt used to brew alcohol.And how about human waste and animal waste turned into methane or liquid fuels


--- On Tue, 6/12/12, Lost but making good time. <aldridgetony97@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Lost but making good time. <aldridgetony97@yahoo.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Ethanol as fuel.
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2012, 6:28 PM

 
Blaming ethanol production for rising food costs was an oil company scam. They want to slag ethanol and bio fuels at every opportunity.
The cause of higher corn prices was the higher cost of petro fuel for farm tractors, delivery and building heating costs.

Having said that, corn is not a good feedstock for ethanol, sugar is much better but cannot be grown very far from the tropics.
Tony

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[diesel_mercedes] Ethanol as fuel.

 

Blaming ethanol production for rising food costs was an oil company scam. They want to slag ethanol and bio fuels at every opportunity.
The cause of higher corn prices was the higher cost of petro fuel for farm tractors, delivery and building heating costs.

Having said that, corn is not a good feedstock for ethanol, sugar is much better but cannot be grown very far from the tropics.
Tony

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[diesel_mercedes] Discussion closed - Re: They LIED

 

For many years I personally approved messages; at this point I just delete the spam and hope you all conduct yourselves with respect. I don't have the time or inclination to review everything that comes through. In the future, if you think a thread or member is inappropriate, please email me at taranreese (at) yahoo (dot) com

Be good to each other and enjoy the summer!

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Boyd Wright <bgthegreat@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Taran, this is long long overdue!  I am a member of the Chrysler NYer group and we don't have this kind of chatter.  I, for one would appreciate if you keep a tighter control. 
>
>
> Boyd
> >>>>>>>
> From: Taran <taranreese@...>
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:39 PM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Discussion closed - Re: They LIED
>
>
>  
> Gang, once things degenerate into name-calling, it has no place here. Please take this conversation and attitude somewhere else. No more responses to this thread, please, and no new threads along these lines.
>
> Also, complaining about a lack of group moderation and then making nasty comments to other members is kinda misguided. Keep it civil or keep on moving.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Taran, group moderator
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "n61cm" <jim@> wrote:
> >
> > Ethanol does use more dino than it replaces and it does drive food prices up. I am totally against it, and it would not survive were it not for government subsidies. However, WVO is another nut altogether. Both are biofuels, but I'm "for" one and "against" the other.
> >
> > As to climate change, well, the data demonstrates that it is occurring. "Why," we can argue about, but "whether" is a settled question, according to everyone not a member in good standing of the Flat Earth Society. Not only does the data prove it, but a quick search for "glacier collapse" on youtube will give you a bunch of videos to satisfy anyone's need for anecdotal evidence. Why anyone would push back on calls to change our fuel supply to something greener is beyond me. Even if you don't subscribe to the theory that climate change exists, we should agree that we should change our fuel supply to something smarter if only to stop sending our money to the jerks who have all the oil.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: They LIED

 

I was going to say you guys sound like the guys on the Electric Vehicle
Discussion List. The moderator has to step in and break up the fight. I drive
my diesel on veggie oil and my electric vehicles are powered by my solar
panels. That's the best I can do now and my ultimate goal which might seem like
heresy here is to get rid of the diesels and go electric. Until I can afford a
proper long range electric I'll be burnin veggie oil in my W123 TD or 240.
Lawrence Rhodes.... http://www.evalbum.com/418 I still own the car, motorcycle
& scooter.

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: They LIED

U guys r s
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Discussion closed - Re: They LIED

 

Thank you Taran, this is long long overdue!  I am a member of the Chrysler NYer group and we don't have this kind of chatter.  I, for one would appreciate if you keep a tighter control. 
 
Boyd
From: Taran <taranreese@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Discussion closed - Re: They LIED

 
Gang, once things degenerate into name-calling, it has no place here. Please take this conversation and attitude somewhere else. No more responses to this thread, please, and no new threads along these lines.

Also, complaining about a lack of group moderation and then making nasty comments to other members is kinda misguided. Keep it civil or keep on moving.

Thanks,

Taran, group moderator

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "n61cm" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> Ethanol does use more dino than it replaces and it does drive food prices up. I am totally against it, and it would not survive were it not for government subsidies. However, WVO is another nut altogether. Both are biofuels, but I'm "for" one and "against" the other.
>
> As to climate change, well, the data demonstrates that it is occurring. "Why," we can argue about, but "whether" is a settled question, according to everyone not a member in good standing of the Flat Earth Society. Not only does the data prove it, but a quick search for "glacier collapse" on youtube will give you a bunch of videos to satisfy anyone's need for anecdotal evidence. Why anyone would push back on calls to change our fuel supply to something greener is beyond me. Even if you don't subscribe to the theory that climate change exists, we should agree that we should change our fuel supply to something smarter if only to stop sending our money to the jerks who have all the oil.
>
> Jim
>



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[diesel_mercedes] Discussion closed - Re: They LIED

 

Gang, once things degenerate into name-calling, it has no place here. Please take this conversation and attitude somewhere else. No more responses to this thread, please, and no new threads along these lines.

Also, complaining about a lack of group moderation and then making nasty comments to other members is kinda misguided. Keep it civil or keep on moving.

Thanks,

Taran, group moderator

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "n61cm" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> Ethanol does use more dino than it replaces and it does drive food prices up. I am totally against it, and it would not survive were it not for government subsidies. However, WVO is another nut altogether. Both are biofuels, but I'm "for" one and "against" the other.
>
> As to climate change, well, the data demonstrates that it is occurring. "Why," we can argue about, but "whether" is a settled question, according to everyone not a member in good standing of the Flat Earth Society. Not only does the data prove it, but a quick search for "glacier collapse" on youtube will give you a bunch of videos to satisfy anyone's need for anecdotal evidence. Why anyone would push back on calls to change our fuel supply to something greener is beyond me. Even if you don't subscribe to the theory that climate change exists, we should agree that we should change our fuel supply to something smarter if only to stop sending our money to the jerks who have all the oil.
>
> Jim
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : A Grand Day Out

 


That was our first stop , I bought everyone large clam chowders & we sat & watched The ocean and Birds , Motorcyclists Etc. come and go .

The building is the same but there's been many changes ~ a fancy-schmancy paved parking lot with much needed space wasted on plants and curbstones .

Still has nasty un cleaned porta-potties ~ I guess the management doesn't realize how easy it is to tell if they've been cleaned in a week or two .

-Nate
Trish wrote:
>
> If you're going for a cruise up PCH go all the way up to the Venture County Line and stop by Neptunes Net for some fresh boiled shrimp, garlic toast and a cool beverage. It used to be THE place on the weekends. I sure miss cruising just for the heck of it. Here in TX I have to go 4 hrs just to get to the beach. That's the only place worth cruising to...everything else looks the same.
>
> 81' 300 SD
> Trish

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : going to flush fits, need "the plug"

 


Which plug ? .

IIRC , there's either 4 or 6 terminal plugs used....

Male or Female side ? .

Brian gets out to the PAP's more often than do I these days .

-Nate
Anthony wrote:
>
> I bought a set of flush fit headlamp/fog units for my '84 300SD.
>
> YEARS ago..
>
> I knew then, that the "plug" they attach with was different.
>
> Now I'm ready to install them..
>
> Anyone know where I can get a pair, either new or in "usable" recycled condition??
>
> I also need side marker/turn signals.. Are these the same/different??
>
>
> Anthony
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : " Going Down Next Thursday "

 


Best wishes Max ;

We'll be here when you get back .

-Nate
Max wrote:
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> Big hip surgery on Thursday. Max
>
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: They LIED

 

Ethanol does use more dino than it replaces and it does drive food prices up. I am totally against it, and it would not survive were it not for government subsidies. However, WVO is another nut altogether. Both are biofuels, but I'm "for" one and "against" the other.

As to climate change, well, the data demonstrates that it is occurring. "Why," we can argue about, but "whether" is a settled question, according to everyone not a member in good standing of the Flat Earth Society. Not only does the data prove it, but a quick search for "glacier collapse" on youtube will give you a bunch of videos to satisfy anyone's need for anecdotal evidence. Why anyone would push back on calls to change our fuel supply to something greener is beyond me. Even if you don't subscribe to the theory that climate change exists, we should agree that we should change our fuel supply to something smarter if only to stop sending our money to the jerks who have all the oil.

Jim

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: They LIED

 

Tom as usual is spot on.  Diesels will never go away.  Quite the contrary, compression ignition engines run a variety of fuels and plant based has really only scratched the surface.  The only reason dino diesel is pervasive today is due to the oil lobby.  

Me, I make my own.  Soy.  Chicks dig it.  Is it the be all, end all…heck no.  But it smells great and far, far less polluting than the dino version.  The answer will be a bunch of different sources for different applications, IMHO.

Ben near Detroit



From: <audiolaw@aol.com>
Reply-To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:20 PM
To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: They LIED

 

Brad, 
 
    I had a Volvo wagon for a while, an old 245D, with a Pathfinder (VW) industrial, non-turbo diesel engine.  It had a lot of miles, but finally succumbed to an unfortunate encounter with some other cars on the 101 freeway.  It followed my much maligned but also very functional, 1st generation VW Rabbit diesel. 
 
    I used the Rabbit to move from Boston to L.A., towing a trailer that dwarfed the Rabbit.  We'd pull into fuel stops and up to the truck diesel pumps.  That rig looked like a semi-trailer rig that had gotten washed in too hot water. 
 
    I'll keep driving these old beasties as long as I can.  But I try to do it with some sense of reality.  To the MEDICAL and SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH communities, diesel exhaust has long been a known carcinogen, along with lots of other fumes.  The particulate matter in the exhaust has been a particular source of problems.  Paul, the oil apologist, has a 350 (rod bender)  I believe that those were even fitted, by Mercedes with a particulate trap as one method of trying to deal with the pollution.  Now the Blu-Tech, chemical pollution control is trying a new method of cleaning up the exhaust. 
 
    We don't do ourselves, or our children, any favors by not acknowledging the reality with which we (and they) must deal.  Science doesn't cease to exist when we simply deny it. 
 
    As for banning diesels from service, I don't see that happening.  They ARE more efficient that gasoline engines.  And they represent, at least in the U.S. a much smaller percentage of the auto population than gassers.  But there is probably some reasonable spot between denying reality and banning diesels where we can keep driving without causing unnecessary pollution. 
 
    For more than a decade, Europe has had "clean" diesel fuel that is much cleaner than our "low sulfur" diesel.  What we call "low sulfur", Europe considers "high sulfur".  But then their policies are based on science and public interest, not on a desire to please the oil industry lobbyists. 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/12/2012 12:38:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brad_macaboy1234@yahoo.com writes:
I have been driving a Volvo wagon. It was a pretty good car when new but it really has fallen apart and requires constant repair....it is far inferior to the 300D series MBs. While traveling around for work today I heard on the radio that some UN group has changed the designation of diesel fumes from a "suspected carcinogen" to "known carcinogen." I suspect this is an attempt to eradicate diesel engines. Hopefully, they won't demand that our diesels be retired from service, permanently.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: They LIED

 

Brad, 
 
    I had a Volvo wagon for a while, an old 245D, with a Pathfinder (VW) industrial, non-turbo diesel engine.  It had a lot of miles, but finally succumbed to an unfortunate encounter with some other cars on the 101 freeway.  It followed my much maligned but also very functional, 1st generation VW Rabbit diesel. 
 
    I used the Rabbit to move from Boston to L.A., towing a trailer that dwarfed the Rabbit.  We'd pull into fuel stops and up to the truck diesel pumps.  That rig looked like a semi-trailer rig that had gotten washed in too hot water. 
 
    I'll keep driving these old beasties as long as I can.  But I try to do it with some sense of reality.  To the MEDICAL and SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH communities, diesel exhaust has long been a known carcinogen, along with lots of other fumes.  The particulate matter in the exhaust has been a particular source of problems.  Paul, the oil apologist, has a 350 (rod bender)  I believe that those were even fitted, by Mercedes with a particulate trap as one method of trying to deal with the pollution.  Now the Blu-Tech, chemical pollution control is trying a new method of cleaning up the exhaust. 
 
    We don't do ourselves, or our children, any favors by not acknowledging the reality with which we (and they) must deal.  Science doesn't cease to exist when we simply deny it. 
 
    As for banning diesels from service, I don't see that happening.  They ARE more efficient that gasoline engines.  And they represent, at least in the U.S. a much smaller percentage of the auto population than gassers.  But there is probably some reasonable spot between denying reality and banning diesels where we can keep driving without causing unnecessary pollution. 
 
    For more than a decade, Europe has had "clean" diesel fuel that is much cleaner than our "low sulfur" diesel.  What we call "low sulfur", Europe considers "high sulfur".  But then their policies are based on science and public interest, not on a desire to please the oil industry lobbyists. 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/12/2012 12:38:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brad_macaboy1234@yahoo.com writes:
I have been driving a Volvo wagon. It was a pretty good car when new but it really has fallen apart and requires constant repair....it is far inferior to the 300D series MBs. While traveling around for work today I heard on the radio that some UN group has changed the designation of diesel fumes from a "suspected carcinogen" to "known carcinogen." I suspect this is an attempt to eradicate diesel engines. Hopefully, they won't demand that our diesels be retired from service, permanently.


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