[diesel_mercedes] ATTN : TRISH !

 


Thanx to the timely warning of another lister here , I went out and began reading the toilet bowl cleaner labels and many do in fact have _HYDROCHLORIC_ACID_ in them , BAD STUFF indeed , you don't want to mess with it .

Instead , go to Wally Mart and buy " SNO-BOL " brand toilet bowl cleaner or CLR , those have the gentler Phosphoric Acid that will not blind or main you , very good for de rusting of steel parts , _NOT_ to be used on anything alloy .

READ THE LABELS is the lesson here ! .

Have patience , your Mercedes Diesel , like Spring ,will be here sooner than you think and you'll love it .

-Nate

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Hard starting 83 240D

 


Does it hard start when the engine has been warmed up a bit ? . when warm , the engine should roar into life in less than one revolution .

I've been pondering this one , you said you knew the plugs were good without removing them , how did you know without removing and testing them ? .

It sounds to me like GP's not heating properly .

A 20 second glow cycle and 1/2 throttle should cause it to begin to fire as soon as the starter operates , even my old totally worn out NA Diesel's engine began trying to start *instantly* in the 40° F temps as long as I cycled the glow plugs twice and held it to 1/2 throttle until all 5 cylinders were firing .

Give that a try ~ cycle the glow plugs once until you hear the relay click off (30 seconds Min.) then quickly turn the key off then on again and wait for the glow plug lamp to go out before cranking it , at least _ONE_ cylinder will begin firing if the glow plugs are heating .

If it just cranks and doesn't cough or chug , there's a glow plug problem .

The black puff of smoke is unburned fuel , not oil , might be a bad injector issue .

-Nate
Lawrence wrote:
>
> If glow plugs, fuel, valve adjustment & diesel purge are all done and the car
> has good power climbing hills what is left that cause it not to start well.
> It's worse in the cold and that's just below 50°F. What could it do to cause a
> black puff on starting. Well that is unburned fuel but why she no fire up. Can
> a working set of glows have another reason why they aren't heating up enough and
> how do you check? Hard starting no matter if I use diesel, biod or veg oil. I
> had an older lower compression didn't run as well 240 and it always started
> right up with half throttle. Lawrence Rhodes....
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Glow Period Length

 


=8-)

Thanx Ben (I think) .

-Nate
Ben wrote:
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> They do make pills to help guys extend the glow period. But you need to call
> Nate if you have a glow cycle lasting more than 4 hours.
>
>
> Ben near Detroit.
>
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting 83 240D

 


Ben near Detroit

From: brian's 83 300d's <bstromsoe@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:45:29 -0000
To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting 83 240D

 

If you have not seen this yet

http://tinyurl.com/86bnd7o

There was a 31 video too.

brian from la verne

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote:
>
> If glow plugs, fuel, valve adjustment & diesel purge are all done and the car
> has good power climbing hills what is left that cause it not to start well.
> It's worse in the cold and that's just below 50°F. What could it do to cause a
> black puff on starting. Well that is unburned fuel but why she no fire up. Can
> a working set of glows have another reason why they aren't heating up enough and
> how do you check? Hard starting no matter if I use diesel, biod or veg oil. I
> had an older lower compression didn't run as well 240 and it always started
> right up with half throttle. Lawrence Rhodes....
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting 83 240D

 

If you have not seen this yet

http://tinyurl.com/86bnd7o

There was a 31 video too.

brian from la verne

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote:
>
> If glow plugs, fuel, valve adjustment & diesel purge are all done and the car
> has good power climbing hills what is left that cause it not to start well.
> It's worse in the cold and that's just below 50°F. What could it do to cause a
> black puff on starting. Well that is unburned fuel but why she no fire up. Can
> a working set of glows have another reason why they aren't heating up enough and
> how do you check? Hard starting no matter if I use diesel, biod or veg oil. I
> had an older lower compression didn't run as well 240 and it always started
> right up with half throttle. Lawrence Rhodes....
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting 83 240D

 

If a diesel has heat, fuel(air) and compression, it will start. Assuming this is a car you have been driving regularly. Black smoke is normal and ok at starting and some till warmed up. The better the engine and the better a engine runs, there will be less, but every time the engine turns over and does not start fuel gets sucked in and then when it does start, black smoke till its burned up. Maybe you got some air in the system somehow.Max P.S. I found out old diesel fuel loses cetane and makes for hard starting and loss of power

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote:
>
> If glow plugs, fuel, valve adjustment & diesel purge are all done and the car
> has good power climbing hills what is left that cause it not to start well.
> It's worse in the cold and that's just below 50°F. What could it do to cause a
> black puff on starting. Well that is unburned fuel but why she no fire up. Can
> a working set of glows have another reason why they aren't heating up enough and
> how do you check? Hard starting no matter if I use diesel, biod or veg oil. I
> had an older lower compression didn't run as well 240 and it always started
> right up with half throttle. Lawrence Rhodes....
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting 83 240D. Glow plugs are new. Modification included.

 


Valve Job? Wow thats serious. Max
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Alan Boucher <alstheone@...> wrote:
>
> On 2/13/2012 6:57 PM, c24052000 wrote:
> >
> > quick guess is the wires to the plugs. Might have to take plugs out
> > and test each outside the engine. one or two may be bad. I saw that on
> > a video once. jmho
> > Chuck
> >
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>, Lawrence Rhodes
> > <primobassoon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Note: I've replaced the glow's. Did a diesel purge. Adjusted the
> > valves.
> > > Could it be the idle setting or some other setting not normally
> > used? It acts
> > > like the glows are weak. I did a manual glow and when I put the
> > cable to
> > > battery it just made a little spark. Didn't seem to start any
> > better. Maybe
> > > worse so I reconnected the normal relay. Is it possible I need a
> > much longer
> > > time on the glow plugs? Something is wacko. Is flooding possible on
> > a diesel
> > > cause I get a big puff of black smoke when I finally start the
> > thing. Lawrence
> > > Rhodes.
> > >
> >
> >
> I had the same problem with a 240D, even did a valve job.

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting 83 240D

 

If glow plugs, fuel, valve adjustment & diesel purge are all done and the car
has good power climbing hills what is left that cause it not to start well.
It's worse in the cold and that's just below 50°F. What could it do to cause a
black puff on starting. Well that is unburned fuel but why she no fire up. Can
a working set of glows have another reason why they aren't heating up enough and
how do you check? Hard starting no matter if I use diesel, biod or veg oil. I
had an older lower compression didn't run as well 240 and it always started
right up with half throttle. Lawrence Rhodes....

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Oh come on, I need another part now!

 

At least it's not bondo I'm dealing with.  I just want to drive my car, not visit it a couple of times a month to watch the dust accumulate. 

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:38 PM, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Think of the great bonding experiences you are having. Priceless.
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's

--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Hard starting 83 240D. Glow plugs are new.

 

you sure glow plug heat the head?
If they work recheck your  valve lash,as mercedes painted two springs wrong color,also check timing,by lineing up mark on camshaft and looking at crank mark.Timing chain may have streched.
--- On Tue, 2/14/12, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Hard starting 83 240D. Glow plugs are new.
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 7:46 AM

 
Oh yes one last thing. It won't start on diesel or biodiesel any better. LR

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[diesel_mercedes] Hard starting 83 240D. Glow plugs are new.

 

Oh yes one last thing. It won't start on diesel or biodiesel any better. LR

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting 83 240D. Glow plugs are new. Modification included.

 

I no glow plug relays go bad after  years.I replaced mine with the kind that stays on 3 minutes


--- On Tue, 2/14/12, n61cm <jim@tazwade.com> wrote:

From: n61cm <jim@tazwade.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting 83 240D. Glow plugs are new. Modification included.
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 6:34 AM

 
Maybe it's blow-by. How's your oil consumption?

Jim

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote:
>
> Note: I've replaced the glow's. Did a diesel purge. Adjusted the valves.
> Could it be the idle setting or some other setting not normally used? It acts
> like the glows are weak. I did a manual glow and when I put the cable to
> battery it just made a little spark. Didn't seem to start any better. Maybe
> worse so I reconnected the normal relay. Is it possible I need a much longer
> time on the glow plugs? Something is wacko. Is flooding possible on a diesel
> cause I get a big puff of black smoke when I finally start the thing. Lawrence
> Rhodes.
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting 83 240D. Glow plugs are new. Modification included.

 

Maybe it's blow-by. How's your oil consumption?

Jim

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote:
>
> Note: I've replaced the glow's. Did a diesel purge. Adjusted the valves.
> Could it be the idle setting or some other setting not normally used? It acts
> like the glows are weak. I did a manual glow and when I put the cable to
> battery it just made a little spark. Didn't seem to start any better. Maybe
> worse so I reconnected the normal relay. Is it possible I need a much longer
> time on the glow plugs? Something is wacko. Is flooding possible on a diesel
> cause I get a big puff of black smoke when I finally start the thing. Lawrence
> Rhodes.
>

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