Re: [diesel_mercedes] Progress

 

On 11/18/2017 6:05 PM, Mark Bardenwerper citrogsa@charter.net
[diesel_mercedes] wrote:
> Adjusted front door strikers.

Hi Mark.  After almost 20 years of ownership I discovered "grease
fittings" on all the door hinges.  The button type.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Progress

 

On 11/18/2017 2:43 AM, john public brad_macaboy1234@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] wrote:
 
I had this problem with my Merc. The problem manifested itself initially as a low power, fuel starvation, situation. I was only able to diagnose the problem after inadvertently driving the car around with out the vacuum diaphragm cut off attached to the motor.  I installed a mechanical vacuum "diverter" button to relieve the vacuum when I switched off the key (analogous to a momentary on switch).  This was quite a few years ago, and I have written in this forum about it. I have often wondered how many cars were disposed of because of this problem.
Mine works a charm now. Starts instantly and shuts off more quickly. It must have been bleeding vacuum away from the supply side instead of the control side. Full power every time, no more braving traffic, hoping some moron doesn't come flying up my ass.
Also, trans mount is not back to the original and the car is smooth as snot on a doorknob.
Reglued detached fabric on rear doorway trim.
Adjusted front door strikers. Both now shut easily.
Yes, progress, and all for free!
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Vacuum Shifting Valve

 

Not rainey on this side. Max

On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 9:40 AM, corvallis@peoplepc.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRKf9dTXnNc

Of all the things to burden an old car owner with. In this day of computers there must be a way to duplicate this, and affordably in numbers.  Bill in Oregon

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Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Vacuum Shifting Valve

 

The back story:  When I left Mary (1983 w123 300d) in So. Cal. to get her rebuilt engine installed, I was on a tight schedule to get from the airport to pick her up and start the drive back to Washington. The jr. mechanic mumbled something about "they don't make these anymore so it will shift a little hard." I did not pay as much attention as I should have - what he was showing me was the Vacuum Shifting Valve (VCV) which was used on 1980-1984 w123's and w126's. See video https://mercedessource.com/store/1980-1984-diesel-transmission-vacuum-shifting-valve-vcv-tested-instructions-included

 

Ok - I need to find one and install it. Any of you have one laying around anywhere? They really don't make them anymore, so it means finding a good used one, or rebuilding one (hard to do).

 

Brian in Rainy Washington with

Mary & Martha, Twin 1983 w123 300d's




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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Vacuum Shifting Valve

 

The Mercedes Vacuum Shifting Valve (VCV) is just a mechanical logic controller; can't be changed.

 

A programmable logic controllers (PLC) can be programmed to mimic the VCV.

I feel better now. 😊  Bill in Oregon

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Abstract

The advantages and limitations of using programmable logic controllers for vacuum plant are reviewed and it is concluded that they are suitable for many applications. However, they are not widely used, and it is suggested that this is because ladder-diagram programming is unfamiliar to the current generation of vacuum system designers. Examples of such programmes are given.

From: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0042207X88904496

 

Course Description

Covers the theory and practice of vacuum as used in semiconductor manufacturing. Topics include vacuum principles, vacuum systems and their components such as pumps, gauges and valves, and finally vacuum trouble- shooting. Prerequisites: MT 101, MT 102, (MT 103 or MT 104), CH 100 or higher, WR 121, or instructor permission. Audit available.

 

From: https://www.pcc.edu/ccog/default.cfm?fa=ccog&subject=MT&course=223

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From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
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Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Vacuum Shifting Valve

 

The back story:  When I left Mary (1983 w123 300d) in So. Cal. to get her rebuilt engine installed, I was on a tight schedule to get from the airport to pick her up and start the drive back to Washington. The jr. mechanic mumbled something about "they don't make these anymore so it will shift a little hard." I did not pay as much attention as I should have - what he was showing me was the Vacuum Shifting Valve (VCV) which was used on 1980-1984 w123's and w126's. See video https://mercedessource.com/store/1980-1984-diesel-transmission-vacuum-shifting-valve-vcv-tested-instructions-included

 

Ok - I need to find one and install it. Any of you have one laying around anywhere? They really don't make them anymore, so it means finding a good used one, or rebuilding one (hard to do).

 

Brian in Rainy Washington with

Mary & Martha, Twin 1983 w123 300d's

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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Vacuum Shifting Valve

 

Other possible sources

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Bill in Oregon

 

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Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Vacuum Shifting Valve

 

The back story:  When I left Mary (1983 w123 300d) in So. Cal. to get her rebuilt engine installed, I was on a tight schedule to get from the airport to pick her up and start the drive back to Washington. The jr. mechanic mumbled something about "they don't make these anymore so it will shift a little hard." I did not pay as much attention as I should have - what he was showing me was the Vacuum Shifting Valve (VCV) which was used on 1980-1984 w123's and w126's. See video https://mercedessource.com/store/1980-1984-diesel-transmission-vacuum-shifting-valve-vcv-tested-instructions-included

 

Ok - I need to find one and install it. Any of you have one laying around anywhere? They really don't make them anymore, so it means finding a good used one, or rebuilding one (hard to do).

 

Brian in Rainy Washington with

Mary & Martha, Twin 1983 w123 300d's

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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Vacuum Shifting Valve

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRKf9dTXnNc

Of all the things to burden an old car owner with. In this day of computers there must be a way to duplicate this, and affordably in numbers.  Bill in Oregon

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From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:44 AM
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Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Vacuum Shifting Valve

 

The back story:  When I left Mary (1983 w123 300d) in So. Cal. to get her rebuilt engine installed, I was on a tight schedule to get from the airport to pick her up and start the drive back to Washington. The jr. mechanic mumbled something about "they don't make these anymore so it will shift a little hard." I did not pay as much attention as I should have - what he was showing me was the Vacuum Shifting Valve (VCV) which was used on 1980-1984 w123's and w126's. See video https://mercedessource.com/store/1980-1984-diesel-transmission-vacuum-shifting-valve-vcv-tested-instructions-included

 

Ok - I need to find one and install it. Any of you have one laying around anywhere? They really don't make them anymore, so it means finding a good used one, or rebuilding one (hard to do).

 

Brian in Rainy Washington with

Mary & Martha, Twin 1983 w123 300d's

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Ural Combination Rigs

 

WW2 indeed.

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[diesel_mercedes] Vacuum Shifting Valve

 

The back story:  When I left Mary (1983 w123 300d) in So. Cal. to get her rebuilt engine installed, I was on a tight schedule to get from the airport to pick her up and start the drive back to Washington. The jr. mechanic mumbled something about "they don't make these anymore so it will shift a little hard." I did not pay as much attention as I should have - what he was showing me was the Vacuum Shifting Valve (VCV) which was used on 1980-1984 w123's and w126's. See video https://mercedessource.com/store/1980-1984-diesel-transmission-vacuum-shifting-valve-vcv-tested-instructions-included


Ok - I need to find one and install it. Any of you have one laying around anywhere? They really don't make them anymore, so it means finding a good used one, or rebuilding one (hard to do).


Brian in Rainy Washington with

Mary & Martha, Twin 1983 w123 300d's

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Progress

 

I had this problem with my Merc. The problem manifested itself initially as a low power, fuel starvation, situation. I was only able to diagnose the problem after inadvertently driving the car around with out the vacuum diaphragm cut off attached to the motor.  I installed a mechanical vacuum "diverter" button to relieve the vacuum when I switched off the key (analogous to a momentary on switch).  This was quite a few years ago, and I have written in this forum about it. I have often wondered how many cars were disposed of because of this problem.



From: "Mark Bardenwerper citrogsa@charter.net [diesel_mercedes]" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 5:07 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Progress

Haven't been writing much lately. Working on my dad's estate and trying
to keep the 240 in running shape. Driving it 50 miles a day seems to
have cleaned the engine up to a point. A few weeks ago, I made the
mistake of overdosing it on diesel cleaner. I suffered through a tankful
of horrible idles. Word to the wise: there is really such a thing as too
much of a good thing.
I still am having trouble getting it to start after short runs. But I
think I am on to something. Tonight, after cranking it to near death, I
just for the heck of it decided to disconnect the vacuum line going to
the kill diaphragm. A hiss of air showed that it was still in kill mode.
Replacing it, I jumped in the car and it still would not start. This
time I left it off and it fired perfectly!
So, my problem is that the ignition vacuum valve works to kill the
engine just fine, but it does not release the vacuum once the key is on.
Here's the question:
Turning the key counter clockwise, the valve opens a path for vacuum to
pull the vacuum valve, killing the engine, but once the key is on, how
does it release said vacuum? Is it possible that the lines can be
reversed at the valve, and one of the ports opens to the atmosphere to
release the vacuum and the other does not? And being reversed, would it
also cause a vacuum leak?
I am going to reverse those hoses in the morning and will report back.
If this is true, I will for the first time have a truly reliable car.
On another front, I bought a transmission mount from Rock Auto a while
ago and finally got around to installing it. I should have thrown it
away instead of the old one. The center attachment, which I now realize
serves only as a safety, is cast into the rubber on the new one so
thoroughly and stiffly that when installed, it feels as if the engine is
sitting straight down on the cross member. The car drummed and vibrated
like a tractor. I couldn't turn the radio up high enough to drown out
the noise! I luckily was able to fish my original out of the trash (I
now realize that there is nothing wrong with it: the center is SUPPOSED
to be loose!) and reinstall it. I figured out that it might have settled
a little and the center was transferring some vibrations, but now that I
see how it is designed, I left the through-bolt loose (it passes through
a pair of slots in the cross member intended to make for this type of
adjustment) until the last, with the weight of the trans back on the
mount. I then tightened the cross bolt, making sure that it was centered
in the area it passes through. The car is smoother than ever.

--
Mark L. Bardenwerper, Sr.
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