Diesel RVs: 01/09/08

[Diesel-RVs] Re: Alpine coach

--- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, s stump <rss00@...> wrote:
>
> You are correct Gert. It is amazing how some people spew out
absolute bilge as if it were fact. The FAA would never allow a
production plane to fly if its brakes were so worrisome. Brake
replacement on aircraft is an infrequent occurance...a standard check
item like you would check a car. I have had two Diesel pushers with
hydraulic brakes, (one with an air ride to boot) and there has been no
issues, or even pad replacements, with better than 70Kmi on each.
>
> SteveS
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gert Zander <gzander1@...>
> To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 4:27:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: Alpine coach
>
> Karen Barrett wrote:
> > has hydraulic disk brakes -- can present problems on something
that big and
> > heavy .. have heard ads "oh, its the same braking system like
airplanes
> > use"... well ...may be, but airplanes do change their brakes about
every 3rd
> > landing...
> >
> >
> I have Hydraulic Disk Brakes on my 93 Safari and have absolutely no
> problem with them.
> After 25 K miles the pads look like new.
> And airplanes changing their brakes after every 3rd landing is real
> nonsense.
> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Gert
> Antelope Acres,CA
> 93 Serengeti
> SKP 52026
>
> Our 200 Zanzi (Safari) had hydraulic (air boost) brakes, that were
superb. The Alpine uses heavier discs with larger pads than the Zanzi
had. During a test drive of an Alpine I was encouraged to do a
"panic" stop and the coach stopped very quickly with hands off the
wheel in a straight line. We visited the factory and observed that
the chassis were very well built, workmanship on the chassis was great.
>
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>
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: Alpine coach

You are correct Gert. It is amazing how some people spew out absolute bilge as if it were fact. The FAA would never allow a production plane to fly if its brakes were so worrisome. Brake replacement on aircraft is an infrequent occurance...a standard check item like you would check a car. I have had two Diesel pushers with hydraulic brakes, (one with an air ride to boot) and there has been no issues, or even pad replacements, with better than 70Kmi on each.

SteveS

----- Original Message ----
From: Gert Zander <gzander1@verizon.net>
To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 4:27:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: Alpine coach

Karen Barrett wrote:
> has hydraulic disk brakes -- can present problems on something that big and
> heavy .. have heard ads "oh, its the same braking system like airplanes
> use"... well ...may be, but airplanes do change their brakes about every 3rd
> landing...
>
>
I have Hydraulic Disk Brakes on my 93 Safari and have absolutely no
problem with them.
After 25 K miles the pads look like new.
And airplanes changing their brakes after every 3rd landing is real
nonsense.
>
>>
>
>

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Gert
Antelope Acres,CA
93 Serengeti
SKP 52026

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[Diesel-RVs] Re: Alpine coach

--- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, Gert Zander <gzander1@...> wrote:
>
> Karen Barrett wrote:
> > has hydraulic disk brakes -- can present problems on something
that big and heavy .. have heard ads "oh, its the same braking
system like airplanes use"... well ...may be, but airplanes do change
their brakes about every 3rd landing...
> >

> I have Hydraulic Disk Brakes on my 93 Safari and have absolutely no
> problem with them. After 25 K miles the pads look like new. And
airplanes changing their brakes after every 3rd landing is real
> nonsense.
> --
> Gert
> Antelope Acres,CA
> 93 Serengeti
> SKP 52026
>
I'm with you, Gert! Our '94 Allegro Bay has hydraulic brakes, and
they're still OK after 105,000 miles. And you are also right about
airplane brakes. I'm a retired aircraft mechanic, and you'll never
find brakes anything like aircraft disc brakes on a vehicle. The
airplanes have a stack -- usually at least four or five discs which
are splined to the inside of the wheel, and between each disc is a
stator which is splined to the axle, with anywhere from six to a
dozen hydraulic pistons squeezing the whole assembly together. But
that kind of airplane brake is noisy, because the disc rotors clunk
against the splines inside the wheels.

Airplane brakes last a long time. The tires wear pretty fast,
because the airplane touches down at around 140 mph, and the tire is
actually sliding for the first few feet of every landing, but the
brakes may go a thousand landings or more.

I've never heard of air brakes on airplane wheels. Maybe it would be
easier to think of them as aerodynamic devices -- planes are drag
devices -- imagine opening your car doors wide open at 70 mph. And
those air brakes are hydraulically operated, too. The spoilers you
see come up on top of the wings add aerodynamic drag as well as
disturbing the lift, so that the wheel brakes can slow the airplanes.

Ken Molloy
FAA Licensed A&P Mechanic
1994 Allegro Bay 37' diesel pusher
5.9 liter Cummins 230 hp w/Allison M-3060

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: Alpine coach

Karen Barrett wrote:
> has hydraulic disk brakes -- can present problems on something that big and
> heavy .. have heard ads "oh, its the same braking system like airplanes
> use"... well ...may be, but airplanes do change their brakes about every 3rd
> landing...
>
>
I have Hydraulic Disk Brakes on my 93 Safari and have absolutely no
problem with them.
After 25 K miles the pads look like new.
And airplanes changing their brakes after every 3rd landing is real
nonsense.
>
>>
>
>

--
Gert
Antelope Acres,CA
93 Serengeti
SKP 52026

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: Alpine coach

Donna,
THanks for the info. CCC is critical for us, another
reason we are looking at coaches with double slides.

Thanks,
Diane

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Beck" <RVers@dbeck.net>
To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Re: Alpine coach
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:47:06 -0000

> Hi Diane,
>
> Alpine makes a very nice coach that has a wonderful ride.
> My sis & brother-in-law have a 2005 model that they love.
> However, they did have a number of problems the first year
> to work thru, but they are all fixed now. I believe all
> Coach Care facilities will work on the Peak chassis, if it
> needs it.
>
> Alpine was on our short list when we were in the market
> for a new coach as it has some very thoughtful features.
> We did not go with them as the ccc was not enough for our
> full time loading. If you don't get 4 slides and are just
> using for trips, you should be able to find one that will
> fill the bill. I think the main problem is there is just
> one chassis and the longer your coach, the more slides and
> more stuff you get, the less cargo capacity you will have
> in the end.
> So if you are frugal in the "want" side, you will have
> greater capacity in the end product.
>
> Donna
> 2007 DSDP 4037
> Where are we? CLICK BELOW
> <http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=4488>
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>
> --- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, "Diane" <fleurdane@...>
> wrote: >
> > Hi,
> > We were mh shopping and saw a 2002 Alpine coach, 36ft
> double slide model.
> >
> > Can anyone shed light or own one this line of coaches.
> > I know they are small in the market share, but do they
> make a good product? Is their PEAK
> > chassis serviceable by anyone?
> >
> > Thanks for any info,
> > Diane
> >
>
>
>
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RE: [Diesel-RVs] Delayed AC on Generator start

Due\rning the winter to exersize the gen I plug in electric heaters for the draw

David Knight <dknig288@comcast.net> wrote: Ken

How long do you exercise you generator when you do? I do mine for at least
an hour at a time. That way it will head up and dry all of the moisture
that will collect in it. I also will turn on lights, and whatever else that
I can to make up a load and make it run under load for at least 30 minutes
of the 1 hour run. In cooler weather, my generator will take a little
longer to start also.

Dave Knight
dknig288@comcast.net
HOOK'EM HORNS 1969

-----Original Message-----
From: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ken Wildman
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:57 PM
To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Delayed AC on Generator start

I started my generator the other day to exercise it and to run the
small electric compressor while I checked tire pressure.

Up to now, the generator would start providing AC after about 1
minute. My indication is that the microwave panel lights up. Once it
says "reset" there is power available at all the AC lights and
receptacles.

Today, the microwave light came on, but I had no power to my AC
lights. They would momentarily flicker When I turned them on and then
go off. Finally, I turned the generator off, waited a few minutes and
turned it back on. Same pattern for about 3 minutes and then the
lights came up.

I've been running it periodically in about 20deg F. weather. TItwas
60deg. when I had the problem, so I don't think it was a warm-up
issue.

Could this just be a sticking relay somewhere, or something more
ominous?

One other thing. The generator needed more cranking than usual to
start.

Ken
1996 Safari Sahara 35' - Cat 300 -

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: Flat towing a 05 Ford F-150 5 speed manual trans 2 wheel drive

Hi Bob,

Thanks for the reply. I guess I can manage keeping it under 65 but 55 was a
real bummer.

Fred Hengel

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From: Bob Snyder
Date: 01/09/08 15:53:18
To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Re: Flat towing a 05 Ford F-150 5 speed manual trans 2
wheel drive

Hi Fred,

I didn't keep it under 55, but I rarely exceed 65 with the motorhome.

Bob Snyder

--- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, fred hengel <fjh1@...> wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> After much ado Ford has said that I can flat tow the 2005 5 speed F-
150.
> With the exception that the speed can't exceed 55 MPH. Since there
is no way
> in the world that I could limit my traveling to that slo poke
speed. I was
> wondering if you maintained any such speed limits while towing your
Mustang.

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[Diesel-RVs] Re: Flat towing a 05 Ford F-150 5 speed manual trans 2 wheel drive

Hi Fred,

I didn't keep it under 55, but I rarely exceed 65 with the motorhome.

Bob Snyder

--- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, fred hengel <fjh1@...> wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> After much ado Ford has said that I can flat tow the 2005 5 speed F-
150.
> With the exception that the speed can't exceed 55 MPH. Since there
is no way
> in the world that I could limit my traveling to that slo poke
speed. I was
> wondering if you maintained any such speed limits while towing your
Mustang.

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RE: [Diesel-RVs] Delayed AC on Generator start

Ken

How long do you exercise you generator when you do? I do mine for at least
an hour at a time. That way it will head up and dry all of the moisture
that will collect in it. I also will turn on lights, and whatever else that
I can to make up a load and make it run under load for at least 30 minutes
of the 1 hour run. In cooler weather, my generator will take a little
longer to start also.

Dave Knight
dknig288@comcast.net
HOOK'EM HORNS 1969

-----Original Message-----
From: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ken Wildman
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:57 PM
To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Delayed AC on Generator start

I started my generator the other day to exercise it and to run the
small electric compressor while I checked tire pressure.

Up to now, the generator would start providing AC after about 1
minute. My indication is that the microwave panel lights up. Once it
says "reset" there is power available at all the AC lights and
receptacles.

Today, the microwave light came on, but I had no power to my AC
lights. They would momentarily flicker When I turned them on and then
go off. Finally, I turned the generator off, waited a few minutes and
turned it back on. Same pattern for about 3 minutes and then the
lights came up.

I've been running it periodically in about 20deg F. weather. TItwas
60deg. when I had the problem, so I don't think it was a warm-up
issue.

Could this just be a sticking relay somewhere, or something more
ominous?

One other thing. The generator needed more cranking than usual to
start.

Ken
1996 Safari Sahara 35' - Cat 300 -

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[Diesel-RVs] Delayed AC on Generator start

I started my generator the other day to exercise it and to run the
small electric compressor while I checked tire pressure.

Up to now, the generator would start providing AC after about 1
minute. My indication is that the microwave panel lights up. Once it
says "reset" there is power available at all the AC lights and
receptacles.

Today, the microwave light came on, but I had no power to my AC
lights. They would momentarily flicker When I turned them on and then
go off. Finally, I turned the generator off, waited a few minutes and
turned it back on. Same pattern for about 3 minutes and then the
lights came up.

I've been running it periodically in about 20deg F. weather. TItwas
60deg. when I had the problem, so I don't think it was a warm-up
issue.

Could this just be a sticking relay somewhere, or something more
ominous?

One other thing. The generator needed more cranking than usual to
start.

Ken
1996 Safari Sahara 35' - Cat 300 -

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