Re: [diesel_mercedes] Loping OM616 injection pump test video

 

Nate:

Are you then suggesting, possibly, that perhaps the check valve is not seating properly? What else could be wrong inside there. Forgive me, but it is my nature to want to know WHY something is the way it is - not just WHAT to do or not do. By the way, I can get fuel to move down the line to bleed the line when reassembling. So there is fuel moving out toward the injector when the line is "open" or "cracked open" at the end, but not when the injector is tightly attached.

It's too late for me to not touch the 13mm ATF nuts. That is how I equalize fuel delivery on a per stroke basis between the outlets. 5-6 revolutions of the shaft produces less than 1 mm of difference in the height of the fuel (in clear plastic pipes 3mm in diameter) across all four outlets by rotating these outlets. I know it affects the injection timing too. so what is more important - exact timing or amount of fuel delivered?

I have had 2 new intake screens on this rig in the last 400 miles. I have also taken off the tank and cleaned it out thoroughly. There was a trace of water in it and some of that was getting into the intake screen and even the main filter. I always pour out the contents of my fuel filters when I change them. Amazing how much water can be in the bottom of those things. That is why I pulled and cleaned the tank - I noticed some water in the clear intake screen. 

Otherwise thanks for the hope that it is only a dirty or faulty outlet part.

Bogy.
 
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Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Loping OM616 injection pump test video

  Very good Bogy ;

Now , remove the # 4 injector pipe from the IP and using a 15 MM six point deep socket , remove the delivery valve and swab down in the open hole with clean Q-Tips and some brake cleaner or engine starting fluid ~ the amount of crud and tiny water drops I found in my worn out IP amazed me .

The elements in the delivery valve were also rusty (!) before I found good one , I made do my wire brushing them well before washing HOSPITAL CLEAN then re assembling .

DO NOT touch the two 13MM ATF nuts on the top of the IP !! .

Failures like this are why Mercedes wants you to use a CLEAR PLASTIC fuel intake screen .

Change it ASAP , Auto Zone and Pep Boys both stock the correct clear plastic version .

-Nate
       Bogy   wrote :

Let's see if this works.
 
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[diesel_mercedes] Progress , Slow But Sure.....

 

Yesterday the sun was mostly obscured by a Marine Layer so I began to clean the various pats I have collected in my final drive replacement and drive axle up grade project .

I took some pictures and will post a what I did thing when it's all done .

To - day is Sunday so I'm going to ride my Moto to Pine Mountain Club with the L.A. Cretins M.C. =8-) .

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: heading for the river

 

Wow, thought you stole my 2 cars until I looked closer.

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[diesel_mercedes] Loping OM616 injection pump test video

 




  Very good Bogy ;

Now , remove the # 4 injector pipe from the IP and using a 15 MM six point deep socket , remove the delivery valve and swab down in the open hole with clean Q-Tips and some brake cleaner or engine starting fluid ~ the amount of crud and tiny water drops I found in my worn out IP amazed me .

The elements in the delivery valve were also rusty (!) before I found good one , I made do my wire brushing them well before washing HOSPITAL CLEAN then re assembling .

DO NOT touch the two 13MM ATF nuts on the top of the IP !! .

Failures like this are why Mercedes wants you to use a CLEAR PLASTIC fuel intake screen .

Change it ASAP , Auto Zone and Pep Boys both stock the correct clear plastic version .

-Nate
       Bogy   wrote :

Let's see if this works.
 
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Loping OM161

 

Good analytical approach to problem solving.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Loping OM616 injection pump test video

 

It worked for me

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[diesel_mercedes] Throttle Linkage Isolator

 



This is precisely how I got our near pristine '82 240D for $1,500 in the middle of the hipster wave of popularity .

A mechanic @ work bought it and complained it was too slow , bought a turbo charged 300D and sold me the 240D .

I realized straightaway there was some sort of throttle issue , some one had made a bumbled repair of that rubber block so it took me a while to figure out how it was supposed to be assembled....

204's don't have a lot of ' oomph ' but every bit of it should be on tap at all throttle positions and loads .

-Nate
        Max    wrote :

When I drove the 4spd 240 to Reno this spring I had a linkage problem but didnt know it till I got back home and did the next oil change. I dont drive this car at all in winter, I drive a Outback. So to get ready for Reno I did everything, all filters, oil change valve adjustment, transmission oil. I always like to take a little spin just to check for leaks and such but I could not because we were in spring breakup and I would not of made it back home so I just took off for Reno. When I hit the paved road and put the pedal to the medal not much happened. It seemed like half throttle or my engine suddenly wore out, after a while it got up to speed, sort of. So any I drove to Reno, passed one truck, came home. When I was changing the oil next time I noticed the part of the throttle linkage(I would swear this is designed by Dr. Seuss), the part that is vulcanized together, it has the stop lever on it.  anyway the rubber stuff was almost all the way torn off and I was only getting partial throttle. Ha, Ha, maybe that was why I got great fuel mileage. Anyway its soooooooooooooooo nice to have parts cars. This part is the same on 300's. Max

 


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Well, I proved it. The #4 outlet is not delivering fuel when an injector is
attached to it. I have some pictures of the setup and some videos. But they failed to deliver with the video so I will try it without for now.
 


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Throttle Linkages

 

What the rubber worked for 30+ yrs, and how many miles?

I'd guess that the rubber connection took stress off other components, further down the line.

Rob

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On 7/30/16 7:00 PM, Bogy Wan Kenobi polespearbogy@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] wrote:
I also had one of those rubber connected throttle linkages come apart on me. It is two plates connected by a piece of rubber. Fortunately I was only a few blocks from home when it happened. I just barely made it up my driveway. But like you, I had a parts car. Otherwise I would be glad that I had a welder. But I hear you on that Dr, Seuss reference. Come on Mercedes . . . really? Rubber? On such a critical component?
 
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When I drove the 4spd 240 to Reno this spring I had a linkage problem but didnt know it till I got back home and did the next oil change. I dont drive this car at all in winter, I drive a Outback. So to get ready for Reno I did everything, all filters, oil change valve adjustment, transmission oil. I always like to take a little spin just to check for leaks and such but I could not because we were in spring breakup and I would not of made it back home so I just took off for Reno. When I hit the paved road and put the pedal to the medal not much happened. It seemed like half throttle or my engine suddenly wore out, after a while it got up to speed, sort of. So any I drove to Reno, passed one truck, came home. When I was changing the oil next time I noticed the part of the throttle linkage(I would swear this is designed by Dr. Seuss), the part that is vulcanized together, it has the stop lever on it.  anyway the rubber stuff was almost all the way torn off and I was only getting partial throttle. Ha, Ha, maybe that was why I got great fuel mileage. Anyway its soooooooooooooooo nice to have parts cars. This part is the same on 300's. Max

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:15 PM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


A while back a piece of stamped steel linkage broke and I replaced it with a close but not quite matching linkage and adjusted the rods to compensate .

To - day I decided to park my '84 TD that runs and has perfect throttle response , next to my '84 Coupe and match and adjust the rods equally .

I was able to do this to all the rods except the vertical one connecting the I.P. to the linkage , I had to lengthen it significantly more than the Wagon's one to make it all work .

I now have vastly improved " tip in " throttle response although the loping @ idle is still present  and the engine doesn't return quickly to idle when I release the throttle at freeway speeds , this is why I decided to tinker with it to - day .

I cleaned and lubricated all the ball pivots , most were dry yet again .

-Nate









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