[diesel_mercedes] 4 bolt tranny throttle linkage and shift issues 722.118

 

Guys:

Last sumer I got an 81 CJ7 for a great price. It got better when I sold the bits I didn't want. It came with a th400 and t20 transfer case. I got it because I wanted a jeep and especially wanted to put the engine/tranny from my parts car in one. A couple of months ago I got it legal and have been driving it. It is the 722.118 four bolt with the long arm for throttle position sensing/shift point modification. The tranny came form a different car than the engine did and I do not have any good details about how to connect the "modulator" arm to the throttle so I made a linkage of my own and it moves the rod "linearly" with the throttle.

Question 1:  is this right or should the modulator arm  only move at the end of the throttle travel.
 
It has never shifted right - flaring between 2 AND 3, AND THEN SHIFTING ABOUT 25 - 30 mph DEPENDING ON TEMP.  (Excuse the caps, I'm not retyping all that.) As of a few weeks ago it would not shift out of second gear when cold unless I got it up to the mandatory shift point as indicated on the speedo.  But once it warms up it shifts in an acceptable manner. Once warm it stays in second a bit too long for my taste and still can flare if I don't dance on the throttle just right. But I can live with it.

Question 2: Because the shift starts working right when warm I suspect some gum or varnish in the valve body (or maybe the band servos - who knows) and when it warms up the stuff softens up and allows acceptable shifting again.  I was thinking about using a bit of MMO or something to dissolve the sludge (if indeed that is what it is) and wanted you guys' take on all this.

I may just end up putting the TH400/T20 on because I have it and can make an adapter plate to mount it all onto the engine. And then I would have 4 wheel drive without having to figure out how to install a divorced t-case.  I'm just looking at options right now. But any thoughts would be outrageously appreciated.

FWIW, I have mounted a 123 instrument cluster on the dash and the odo doesn't work. But using my phones GPS over a full tank of gas I get just under 20 MPG. (3.54 diffs and 33 inch tires add up to 15% faster than the spedo indicates.) Oh yeah The engine is old and tired. A couple of HARD Italian tune ups has helped it to idle smoothly within 30 seconds after start up instead of 30 minutes. And I can't get it to start unless the injection timing is retarded to about 15 degrees BTDC. (spent all day today proving that.) But it's mine, it didn't cost me much and I enjoy the hell out of bonking around town in it. It was a lot of fun to build. And it is still a lot of fun to work on. There's a thousand little things to do.

Still I gotta do something about the tranny shift thing.

TIA.
Bogy.
 
"Hardware eventually fails.
Software eventually works"
                - Michael Hartung

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[diesel_mercedes] Better ~

 

One step forward , three steps back I guess .


I got off work to - night and headed home to try and do home work on diesel throttle linkages , it was still hot & humid so I sat down , began to read and passed out .


SWMBO called me before sundown , I awoke and grabbed my tools , headed out to the street where my faithful old Mercedes 300CD awaited me in the shade , popped the hood and took off the vertical link between the injection pump and the monkey-motion madness  , played with the monkey motion stuff a while and noticed there was some serious slop in it all , I lengthened the vertical rod by 10 MM or so , cleaned the ball joints (the lower one was dry , oops) lubed them and re assembled , still not what I wanted  but clearly better .


Then I turned the plastic adjuster on the T.V. cable to the tranny a few times , turned it _in_ to shorten it as I disliked the down shifting @ freeway speeds .


Fed & watered my dogs (they're junkyard pups so when my hands are dirty , they get more & better belly rubs)  , cleaned up and drove to see SWMBO ~ it accelerates batter now and doesn't down shift @ 60 MPH unless i give it over 1/2 throttle so I know I'm on the right track here .


It still doesn't accelerate with the WHOOSH ! like it did when I bought it and the engine and turbo were both shot , I want that back again and will pursue this until I learn the secret <magical> adjustments necessary ~ it's always in those devilish details I follow every little thing I can find and after every one asks how come my old beat up klunkers out run everyone else .


I can and will do this ! .


I had little trouble getting it up to 90 MPH on the I-210 freeway , it just doesn't feel right as the RPM's reach and pass 2,000 ~ that's where the turbo spools fully up and it *should* come alive .


Stay tuned , more to come .


Oh yes : the step back part : SWMBO drove the European Spec. wagon into the garage with the hatch open and bent the crap out of the TD only trim piece.... .


-Nate


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Fuel Economy Check '84 300CD Slushbox

 



PM sent Max .

-Nate
     Max    wrote :

Too bad we dont have a way to share tools. I have a pop tester and have not used it for  decades. Shipping would kill it. max

 





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[diesel_mercedes] Parts Needed

 



DANG ! I swear I spent over an hour looking on craigslist and was wondering why there weren't any local cars being parted out .

THANK YOU BILL ! .

I have sent him a message , we'll see if he really wants to break it for parts or not .

-Nate
       Rob  wrote :

Hi Nate,

A quick search on Craig's list had this pop up:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/pts/5128746588.html
I'm parting out my 1983 Mercedes Benz 300d turbo diesel. This has been my daily driver for a year and a half. Engine and transmission are in great condition. Nice dark blue interior. I will sell parts or whole car. This car only needs a few small things to be a good driver again. Call Jon if interested.

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Rob

On 7/19/15 3:58 PM, vwnate1@... [diesel_mercedes] wrote:
Air Cleaner housing for OM617 engine , this is for the turbo charged engines .

Also a 300D secdan or Coupe fuel tank .

I'll take the parts off/out if anyone spots them in a junkyard or anywhere else .


TIA ,


-Nate in So. Cal. , willing to travel


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[diesel_mercedes] Turbo Air Cleaner Can Needed

 



THANX ! .

I'm hoping someone will spot one locally or have something left over for sale , I can't afford $100 , junkyard price will be o.K. .

-Nate
     Bill   wrote :

Any help?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mercedes+Air+Cleaner+diesel+turbo&_sop=15

Bill in Oregon


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Air Cleaner housing for OM617 engine , this is for the turbo charged engines .


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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Fuel Economy Check '84 300CD Slushbox

 

Outside the U.S.? Check your country’s rate again. Many countries can ship into the U.S. for less than we can ship out.  Bill in Oregon USA


From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com]
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Too bad we dont have a way to share tools. I have a pop tester and have not used it for  decades. Shipping would kill it. max

 

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 3:55 PM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Dead turbo and blowing black smoke at all engine speeds and loads Max .

I'm hoping it gets better now , I still want to pop test the injectors (I don't have the tester) and fiddle the throttle linkages as I know they're wrong .

My poor old Diesel Sports Coupe has been _wheezing_ worse and worse , why I finally installed the turbo kit I bought over a year ago .

-Nate

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Fuel Economy Check '84 300CD Slushbox

 

Too bad we dont have a way to share tools. I have a pop tester and have not used it for  decades. Shipping would kill it. max

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 3:55 PM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Dead turbo and blowing black smoke at all engine speeds and loads Max .

I'm hoping it gets better now , I still want to pop test the injectors (I don't have the tester) and fiddle the throttle linkages as I know they're wrong .

My poor old Diesel Sports Coupe has been _wheezing_ worse and worse , why I finally installed the turbo kit I bought over a year ago .

-Nate
      Max  wrote :

20.0 mpg? Must of been racing. Max

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 5:57 PM, vwnate1@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Mostly AC the whole tank , Startron added at the last fillup .

This fill I added Diesel Kleen as the primary intake screen remains full of clear as glass Diesel Fuel .


360 miles , 20.0 MPG


-Nate







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