Re: [diesel_mercedes] (OT) For the gearheads

 

 I admire Ford for showing a profit thru this economic mess... producing the Mustang, GT40, etc., just shows the American spirit....(obviously, I love my MB diesel, too)
Ford produced some drek cars in the '70's and '80's ...most had lubrication problems. Me Mum had a 400 CID wagon that was a POS; she bought it off the floor (as women do...yeah, sorry for the sexism) ,  but it was the second Ford "we" owned with oiling probs and engine failure.... Never thought I'd buy a Ford, but my 850 Volvo 'has been good to me.'
 
  A little "thank you" to the gang here for their insight,patience, and help thru the years..  ;-).   It is an extraordinary group, y'all dun saved me thousands of dollars over the years.
 

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com> wrote:

From: Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] (OT) For the gearheads
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 1:11 PM



Ford owns 51% of Mazda, or did at last knowledge of mine, and have been partners with them for many years. Look at the Ranger and Mazda "B" series trucks as a good example of similarity. Of course Chrysler and Daimler were partners, GM and Saturn, GEO, Isuzu, et.al., so Ford is not the only culprit. They ALL do it!

As for "detuning" the2.3L's, that was due to government regulations on emissions and CAFE ratings and not particularly because they "did not have a trans". I believe the 2.3L "Lima" four was the same design from 1974 until 2001, or so. The 2.3 Turbo used in some Mustang "Cobras, SVO Mustang, and Thunderbird Turbo Coupe were the higher performance versions not offered with automatics. These were all high performance cars and manual transmissions were preferred over automatics due to weight and performance characteristics. Ford had several good automatics that would easily hold the power but buyers wanted manuals. Heck, the plain old C4 automatic would hold that power, is lighter than a Powerglide and had one more gear!

The later 2.0 and 2.3 engines have been the Mazda design but the point is that ALL American car manufacturers do this. It's what makes the most $$$ for ANY given manufacturer.

Mark in Texas


On 7/15/2011 11:15 AM, briankk wrote:
 
I've had a thing about Ford ever since I learned that they de-tuned the 2.3 turbo motor over the life of its production run, so that they wouldn't have to come up with a transmission that would handle the load.  Thing is, they had a box that would handle the load, the C6 automatic, but no, they stuck with the C3 and shrunk the turbo, 'till the last year the 2.3  turbo motor was produced, it had an IHI turbo sourced from a 2 liter Mazda..

bk

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com> wrote:

From: Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] (OT) For the gearheads
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 8:58 AM

 
Brian,

I believe if you will check ALL manufacturers warranties you will find the same general policy. Even Mercedes! People buy these already highly "tuned" cars and add their own mods to increase the outputs above safe stress levels and expect the manufacturers to fix THEIR mistakes?

Try taking a naturally aspirated Mercedes 5 banger, hang a turbo on it, and turn the pump up for maximum output and see how long it lasts! A turboed motor with the pump turned up will last MUCH longer than the n/a one. It all has to do with design!

Go buy you a new G(overnment)M Duramax or Z-28 Camaro and try it for yourself!

Mark in Texas



On 7/15/2011 9:31 AM, briankk wrote:
 
Latest reason to not buy a Ford..

Current generation of 5.0 V8s have a problem burning down #8 cylinder, very expensively. Fords response: Try to blame it on the customer:

http://www.stangtv.com/news/dont-modify-your-mustang-because-fords-new-tsb-says-so/


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: road trip

 

boy howdy.....I feel your pain.
I don't know how many yards of concrete I've shoveled into the mixer,
wheelbarrowed, dumped and finished......working in cemeteries, you couldn't
get redimix, so, I'd have to jump into the dumptruck bed, shovel gravel,
cement, water, ...dump it, mix again and let it mix while I wheeled the
wheelbarrow to wherever my dad was waiting, dump, and head back.
We'd pour up to 5 yds that way.

But, I'll be thinkin of ya.....as I wind my way across Nevada on Hwy
50......
I'm hoping to have time to go up the east side, and catch 70 again, through
the Rockies........the tunnel then the suspended highway...well, pretty much
all of I70 is just beautiful.....it seems they laid it out, just for sight
seeing........

dang, now I feel guilty..............well, not.

Henry

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To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:37 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: road trip

Oh man! why can't i figure out an excuse to put a few hours of seat time in.
'Stead of that, today I hand mixed almost 2 yds concrete, tomorrow gonna
strip the forms and form a footing, sunday gonna mix about 1 yds
concrete ------------- HENRY WAIT UP. (please)

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "ygmir111" <ygmir111@...> wrote:
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> friends.........and, I just love to drive......and, that's a right purdy
> drive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "max_stemple" <max_stemple@...>
> To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:58 PM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: road trip
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> Cattle drive? Dude ranch? Max
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "ygmir111" <ygmir111@> wrote:
> >
> > HI Gang!!!
> > I'll be heading from Grass Valley, to Durango, Co, in the next week or
> > so,
> > probably via rte. 50/70/191 on the way out, 191/15/80 on the way
> > back....but, that may be changeable......
> > if anyone needs something delivered, or a ride, I'm empty from GV to
> > Durango, and points in between.
> > I'll be taking my SDL, and trying the new additive "PRI-D".
> >
> > Wish me luck.
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: road trip

 

Oh man! why can't i figure out an excuse to put a few hours of seat time in. 'Stead of that, today I hand mixed almost 2 yds concrete, tomorrow gonna strip the forms and form a footing, sunday gonna mix about 1 yds concrete ------------- HENRY WAIT UP. (please)

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "ygmir111" <ygmir111@...> wrote:
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> friends.........and, I just love to drive......and, that's a right purdy
> drive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "max_stemple" <max_stemple@...>
> To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:58 PM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: road trip
>
>
>
> Cattle drive? Dude ranch? Max
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "ygmir111" <ygmir111@> wrote:
> >
> > HI Gang!!!
> > I'll be heading from Grass Valley, to Durango, Co, in the next week or so,
> > probably via rte. 50/70/191 on the way out, 191/15/80 on the way
> > back....but, that may be changeable......
> > if anyone needs something delivered, or a ride, I'm empty from GV to
> > Durango, and points in between.
> > I'll be taking my SDL, and trying the new additive "PRI-D".
> >
> > Wish me luck.
> >
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] road trip

 

that'd be fun........although, I've only got room one way........taking my
daughter on a road trip on the way back........

still, many shenanigans, I'm sure, would ensue.........

Henry

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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:29 PM
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If my daughter + family wasn't coming here from Colorado Springs at the same
time, I would have gone with you.

brian from la verne, ca

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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] road trip

HI Gang!!!
I'll be heading from Grass Valley, to Durango, Co, in the next week or so,
probably via rte. 50/70/191 on the way out, 191/15/80 on the way
back....but, that may be changeable......
if anyone needs something delivered, or a ride, I'm empty from GV to
Durango, and points in between.
I'll be taking my SDL, and trying the new additive "PRI-D".

Wish me luck.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: road trip

 

friends.........and, I just love to drive......and, that's a right purdy
drive.

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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:58 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: road trip

Cattle drive? Dude ranch? Max
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "ygmir111" <ygmir111@...> wrote:
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> HI Gang!!!
> I'll be heading from Grass Valley, to Durango, Co, in the next week or so,
> probably via rte. 50/70/191 on the way out, 191/15/80 on the way
> back....but, that may be changeable......
> if anyone needs something delivered, or a ride, I'm empty from GV to
> Durango, and points in between.
> I'll be taking my SDL, and trying the new additive "PRI-D".
>
> Wish me luck.
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] road trip

 

If my daughter + family wasn't coming here from Colorado Springs at the same time, I would have gone with you.
 
brian from la verne, ca
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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] road trip

HI Gang!!!
I'll be heading from Grass Valley, to Durango, Co, in the next week or so,
probably via rte. 50/70/191 on the way out, 191/15/80 on the way
back....but, that may be changeable......
if anyone needs something delivered, or a ride, I'm empty from GV to
Durango, and points in between.
I'll be taking my SDL, and trying the new additive "PRI-D".

Wish me luck.




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[diesel_mercedes] Re: road trip

 


Cattle drive? Dude ranch? Max
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "ygmir111" <ygmir111@...> wrote:
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> HI Gang!!!
> I'll be heading from Grass Valley, to Durango, Co, in the next week or so,
> probably via rte. 50/70/191 on the way out, 191/15/80 on the way
> back....but, that may be changeable......
> if anyone needs something delivered, or a ride, I'm empty from GV to
> Durango, and points in between.
> I'll be taking my SDL, and trying the new additive "PRI-D".
>
> Wish me luck.
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] (OT) For the gearheads

 

Ford owns 51% of Mazda, or did at last knowledge of mine, and have been partners with them for many years. Look at the Ranger and Mazda "B" series trucks as a good example of similarity. Of course Chrysler and Daimler were partners, GM and Saturn, GEO, Isuzu, et.al., so Ford is not the only culprit. They ALL do it!

As for "detuning" the2.3L's, that was due to government regulations on emissions and CAFE ratings and not particularly because they "did not have a trans". I believe the 2.3L "Lima" four was the same design from 1974 until 2001, or so. The 2.3 Turbo used in some Mustang "Cobras, SVO Mustang, and Thunderbird Turbo Coupe were the higher performance versions not offered with automatics. These were all high performance cars and manual transmissions were preferred over automatics due to weight and performance characteristics. Ford had several good automatics that would easily hold the power but buyers wanted manuals. Heck, the plain old C4 automatic would hold that power, is lighter than a Powerglide and had one more gear!

The later 2.0 and 2.3 engines have been the Mazda design but the point is that ALL American car manufacturers do this. It's what makes the most $$$ for ANY given manufacturer.

Mark in Texas


On 7/15/2011 11:15 AM, briankk wrote:

 

I've had a thing about Ford ever since I learned that they de-tuned the 2.3 turbo motor over the life of its production run, so that they wouldn't have to come up with a transmission that would handle the load.  Thing is, they had a box that would handle the load, the C6 automatic, but no, they stuck with the C3 and shrunk the turbo, 'till the last year the 2.3  turbo motor was produced, it had an IHI turbo sourced from a 2 liter Mazda..

bk

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com> wrote:

From: Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] (OT) For the gearheads
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 8:58 AM

 

Brian,

I believe if you will check ALL manufacturers warranties you will find the same general policy. Even Mercedes! People buy these already highly "tuned" cars and add their own mods to increase the outputs above safe stress levels and expect the manufacturers to fix THEIR mistakes?

Try taking a naturally aspirated Mercedes 5 banger, hang a turbo on it, and turn the pump up for maximum output and see how long it lasts! A turboed motor with the pump turned up will last MUCH longer than the n/a one. It all has to do with design!

Go buy you a new G(overnment)M Duramax or Z-28 Camaro and try it for yourself!

Mark in Texas



On 7/15/2011 9:31 AM, briankk wrote:

 

Latest reason to not buy a Ford..

Current generation of 5.0 V8s have a problem burning down #8 cylinder, very expensively. Fords response: Try to blame it on the customer:

http://www.stangtv.com/news/dont-modify-your-mustang-because-fords-new-tsb-says-so/

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I've had a thing about Ford ever since I learned that they de-tuned the 2.3 turbo motor over the life of its production run, so that they wouldn't have to come up with a transmission that would handle the load.  Thing is, they had a box that would handle the load, the C6 automatic, but no, they stuck with the C3 and shrunk the turbo, 'till the last year the 2.3  turbo motor was produced, it had an IHI turbo sourced from a 2 liter Mazda..

bk

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com> wrote:

From: Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] (OT) For the gearheads
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 8:58 AM

 

Brian,

I believe if you will check ALL manufacturers warranties you will find the same general policy. Even Mercedes! People buy these already highly "tuned" cars and add their own mods to increase the outputs above safe stress levels and expect the manufacturers to fix THEIR mistakes?

Try taking a naturally aspirated Mercedes 5 banger, hang a turbo on it, and turn the pump up for maximum output and see how long it lasts! A turboed motor with the pump turned up will last MUCH longer than the n/a one. It all has to do with design!

Go buy you a new G(overnment)M Duramax or Z-28 Camaro and try it for yourself!

Mark in Texas



On 7/15/2011 9:31 AM, briankk wrote:

 

Latest reason to not buy a Ford..

Current generation of 5.0 V8s have a problem burning down #8 cylinder, very expensively. Fords response: Try to blame it on the customer:

http://www.stangtv.com/news/dont-modify-your-mustang-because-fords-new-tsb-says-so/

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] (OT) For the gearheads

 

Brian,

I believe if you will check ALL manufacturers warranties you will find the same general policy. Even Mercedes! People buy these already highly "tuned" cars and add their own mods to increase the outputs above safe stress levels and expect the manufacturers to fix THEIR mistakes?

Try taking a naturally aspirated Mercedes 5 banger, hang a turbo on it, and turn the pump up for maximum output and see how long it lasts! A turboed motor with the pump turned up will last MUCH longer than the n/a one. It all has to do with design!

Go buy you a new G(overnment)M Duramax or Z-28 Camaro and try it for yourself!

Mark in Texas



On 7/15/2011 9:31 AM, briankk wrote:

 

Latest reason to not buy a Ford..

Current generation of 5.0 V8s have a problem burning down #8 cylinder, very expensively. Fords response: Try to blame it on the customer:

http://www.stangtv.com/news/dont-modify-your-mustang-because-fords-new-tsb-says-so/

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[diesel_mercedes] (OT) For the gearheads

 

Latest reason to not buy a Ford..

Current generation of 5.0 V8s have a problem burning down #8 cylinder, very expensively. Fords response: Try to blame it on the customer:

http://www.stangtv.com/news/dont-modify-your-mustang-because-fords-new-tsb-says-so/

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: A/C expansion valves - are there differences in brands?

 

I was wondering if there was one brand that was better than others.

Jim

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> On 7/14/2011 2:26 PM, n61cm wrote:
> > Are there differences in brands of a/c expansion valves or are they
> > all about the same?
>
>
> At least a couple. I bought my at Auto Hauz because it was less
> expensive. Check Diesel Giant and some of the other suppliers also.
>
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