Diesel RVs: Re: [diesel

I don't believe it is necessary to use derogatory slurs against those who disagree with the falsehood of your position. The price of energy was promised to "skyrocket". In the last two years it has. When the average price of gas was $1.89, a toyota pious would take 8 years to pay off the increased cost of the car's added electric tech, when compared to a similar gas powered vehicle. Now, the vehicle's battery lasted only 8 years. A major repair is also n the owners future, if he decided to keep the car. However, a diesel powered small car would take a mere 2-3 years to offset it's increase in price of mechanicals and type of fuel used. Consumers did not see the long range advantage. Force up the price of gas, the alternatives become more attractive.

Ethanol does not work. Unless you have a alcohol dragster, where it burns much faster than gasoline. But you will burn much more of it than gasoline to zip down that 1/4 mile. An E85 equipped vehicle will get 50% better milage with straight gasoline than the blend. A normal car will get 2-3% better mileage, at a lower cost per gallon, with straight gasoline than the current mandate 10% blend. Corn and Soy provide the worst yield per acre for ethanol. Those are the crops of choice because government subsidy. Farmers now devote new acreage for these crops to take advantage of those subsidies. The end result is false demand, paid for by the taxpayer, who then is forced to buy the product. The last insult is when the product is taxed on the final purchase.

ULSD has increased the price of the fuel. It is a unneeded expense. The european model demonstrates things not to do, not things to be followed. If fuel prices could be reduced to levels of just two years ago, and they can, and diesel taxed equivalent to gasoline, 50mpg cars would be common place on our roads. Fuel buyers could get their money's worth instead of working on silly corporate conspiracy theories. Anger just makes seemingly nice people gravitate to mean spirited hate speech remarks and obscenities. Did you know, the tax on a gallon of fuel in California is greater than twice the oil company's profit?

Of course, we can build a car and lie, calling it totally electric. It would cost $80,000. But if we owned the car companies, we could subsidize that price by half. Then give buyer further subsidies, lowering that price by another half. So what if it gets a mere 27 miles on a promised 40 mile charge. We'll claim 100mph. We could give it a snappy name like the Volt. I don't know if that's leadership. But, it would make some people feel good about themselves. If they don't sell, we could lower the price. That would be progressive. Consumer needs are not important, just our good intentions.

On Apr 30, 2011, at 10:21 AM, audiolaw@aol.com wrote:

    This is pretty standard Tea Bag koolaid.

    Yes, our federal and state government tax fuels. Yes they regulate the quality of fuels. But the ONLY way to justify this kind of selective screed is to ignore the fact that there is a whole world out there beyond our borders, with other nations that also tax all of their fuels and regulate the quality of their fuels.

    Our oil companies (multinationals all), sell us the story that they were "forced" to make impossibly clean diesel fuel for the U.S. market, and that forces up the price. NOT TRUE.

    When we finally switched to ULSD fuel, it was MORE than a decade after Europe started using clean diesel fuel and our ULSD is MUCH higher in sulfur that Europe's clean diesel fuel. And the European fuel is made by exactly the same companies that pretend they can't make it for US!

    To buy into this shit is to completely abandon the American tradition of LEADING the world in education and innovation. To many now appear to embrace a practice of ignoring reality and sucking up the PR lies of people and corporations that make billions on public ignorance.

Tom

In a message dated 4/30/2011 2:17:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, riker124@earthlink.net writes:
You're correct. With the Clear Act, new regulations on diesel cars made it cost prohibitive, when the prices of the new fuels and new equipment are combined. Even with the extra MPG of a diesel engine you won't make it to the break even point after all the extended costs during the vehicles expected life. . This is not including the increase maintenance requirements. Add in the fact, most states charge of 10% higher tax on diesel than gas, lawmakers have no real goal of making diesel powered attractive. California charges .76/gal tax for diesel. That's 43% higher than the national average.