RE: [diesel_mercedes] So. Cal. 240D's in Junk Yards ?

 

Here is a link to a discussion. Click on the first diagram. Is this the parts you are dealing with?  Bill in Oregon

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/117952-throttle-linkage-damper-240d.html

 


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O.K. ;

I know you alls know how to search the Yards OnLine so I'm asking for some help : I need to find a 240D I can go travel to and scavenge the throttle linkages off of as SWMBO's car needs it and I can't let her have it until it's fixed .

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-Nate

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] So. Cal. 240D's in Junk Yards ?

 

Nate,

You should have come to OC, if 300Ds have the same parts you're looking for.

I did a search and found one or two 300Ds in both lots, yet no 240Ds:

http://www.lkqpickyourpart.com/locations/LKQ_Pick_Your_Part_-_Anaheim-265/recents/

http://www.lkqpickyourpart.com/locations/LKQ_Pick_Your_Part_-_Stanton-268/recents/

50% Off Sale Sep 05 2015 - Sep 07 2015
I don't think I can make the sale.

Rob
'85 300D
Garden Grove, CA
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On 8/30/15 6:05 PM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] wrote:
O.K. ;

I know you alls know how to search the Yards OnLine so I'm asking for some help : I need to find a 240D I can go travel to and scavenge the throttle linkages off of as SWMBO's car needs it and I can't let her have it until it's fixed .


I drove to Rialto (San berdoo ?) to - day to search the Milliken Pick A part yard , not one single W123 in there .


yes , I got some old LBC parts , a brake caliper for Tom's 1979 Dodge D200 Shop Truck and a really cool Tartan scarf that was BRAND NEW and left in an impounded car but -no- 240D's .


I remember there were two P-A-P's in..... ? Fullerton ? maybe on Harbor Blvd. ? that someone once found me a 240D in.....


! HELP ! .


TIA ,


-Nate


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[diesel_mercedes] So. Cal. 240D's in Junk Yards ?

 

O.K. ;

I know you alls know how to search the Yards OnLine so I'm asking for some help : I need to find a 240D I can go travel to and scavenge the throttle linkages off of as SWMBO's car needs it and I can't let her have it until it's fixed .


I drove to Rialto (San berdoo ?) to - day to search the Milliken Pick A part yard , not one single W123 in there .


yes , I got some old LBC parts , a brake caliper for Tom's 1979 Dodge D200 Shop Truck and a really cool Tartan scarf that was BRAND NEW and left in an impounded car but -no- 240D's .


I remember there were two P-A-P's in..... ? Fullerton ? maybe on Harbor Blvd. ? that someone once found me a 240D in.....


! HELP ! .


TIA ,


-Nate

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[diesel_mercedes] W-123 Suspension

 



Hi Ray ;

I'd replace both springs as mis matched springs can cause serious handling issues without any warning .

I'm curious as to how this broke , maybe you should wait until you see the car to make sure that's the actual issue as I've had many Customers ask for repairs to be done when they didn't know what was wrong and would have been upset if I'da done the repair they asked for when another thing was broken example : " I need the tranny rebuilt " . turned out the muffler had a broken baffle in it that made a loud noise at one specific RPM , even if the car was sitting still .

Another one insisted he needed a whole new clutch when only the brake drum was bad....

Let us know what you find .

-Nate
        Ray  wrote :


Hello,

Although I have read the posts on this group for years, this is only my second post.

Last year, I posted that my 1983 300CD lost power going up steep hills.  This group advised me to replace the filters, which I did.  Problem solved.

I am a worker for the United Methodist Church.  I work in Prague in the Czech Republic.

I return to the USA each December and stay for about 6 weeks.  I remove the car from heated storage and drive it for about 3,000 miles, then place it back in storage.

I just got an email from the storage facility that the front of the car is sagging.  Their mechanics believe the driver's front coil spring has broken.

Is this an expensive repair?  Should I replace both front springs?

Could this have been a safety issue, if the spring failed while driving?

Am I nuts expecting reliable transportation from a 30 plus year old car under these conditions?

I will certainly  appreciate any thoughts.

Ray

       


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[diesel_mercedes] 1986 300 SDL for sale -

 



kevin ;

That looks REALLY nice ! .

You're going to miss it .

-Nate
       Kevin  wrote :

I'm selling my '87 300SDL if anybody is interested. http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/5194217619.html

Kevin

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM, vwnate1@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 


FWIW , my Brother Tom bought a super clean 1987 300SDL and is giddy with joy over it .

It runs great and is comfy in spite of a grenaded driver's seat (painful for me to sit in) but it's been using & weeping coolant since day one .

As usual he refuses to clean anything under the hood making it difficult to see where the coolant is going , 3,200 miles from home I found the red silicone goop in one coolant hose and removed it, he still won't allow me to remove the radiator and thermostat to check for more blockages and now the head gasket is dribbling coolant out the right rear corner meaning we'll have to do a valve job eventually .

He's head over heels in love with this car , i think it's very nice but not ' all that and a bag of chips ' .

-Nate
        Tom Hansen  wrote :

I used to have one of these.  I still regret the day I sold it. The asking price is a bit high but try to find a nice one. The chrome fender trim looks horrible in my humble opinion...


Tom Hanson Mercedes Benz Classic Center USA MBUSA, LLC thomas.hanson@... 949 598-4842 direct



On Monday, August 24, 2015 5:52 PM, "corvallis@... [diesel_mercedes]" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Here is a google search on 6-cylinder cracking. Bill in Oregon

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The guys in Feasterville keep coming up with absolutely beautiful cars with astronomic prices.  I also wasn't aware of an 86 6 cyl version.  We had an "87 6 cyl Diesel wagon which was a great car.  There were stories of problems with cylinder cracking on these cars.
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On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:19 PM, 'Barton C. Fiske' barton.fiske@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Hope this link will resolve :
 
 
Other than the price which seems kind of high, any comments on this one?
 
I confess I didn't realize there was a 6 cyl 300 SDL....I just assumed they were all 5 cyl.
 
Claims to be a Californian car, 64K mi, now for sale just outside of Philly. 
 
In many ways it's the 300 SD I've always wanted as it has dual airbags and ABS...however, I can only imagine what they would cost to repair (if repairable) should that be required, and these have to be 1st gen airbags and ABS - at least for US market. 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Charging problems

 

On 8/30/2015 11:25 AM, Bogy Wan Kenobi polespearbogy@yahoo.com
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> . Once the car starts the regulator is "self" powered by the
> alternator and the voltage at the alternator/regulator end of the
> light goes up to charging voltage.

Great advice. Had the same problem on my 73 MoPar pickup. Self powered
alternator. The power wire to the field coil was hanging by one strand
of wire. Enough to read good continuity but not enough to pass any amps
to the field coil. Check wiring, even if it "looks" good.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Charging problems

 

Thanks for the confirmation of what I was thinking as one possibility.  Somewhere in the Mercedes literature they said that there would be a resistor in the light circuit to add to the low resistance of the light bulb.  I was wondering if this was the case where the resistor would be.  I'll change the voltage regulator anyway since this is a 200m mile car and I don't have maintenance history beyond about 5 years.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Bogy Wan Kenobi polespearbogy@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I had a '59 Chevy Belair that did this same thing.
Since the dash light is wired essentially the same way on both, I will explain my theory. 

One end of that light is connected to the +12 volt side of the electrical system and is energized when the key is turned on..

The other end of that light is connected to the regulator circuit in the alternator and supplies the initial "tickling" current to power the regulator and get the charging/regulatin process started in the alternator. Once the car starts the regulator is "self" powered by the alternator and the voltage at the alternator/regulator end of the light goes up to charging voltage. This means that when the alternator is charging properly, the dash light has ABOUT the same voltage at both ends and that is why it goes out when the alternator starts charging. 

To be clear it takes a DIFFERENCE of 12 volts to light a bulb. That means 12 volts across the bulb filament (or contacts). 12 volts at one end and 0 volts at the other. When both ends of the filament are at 12 volts, the DIFFERENCE is zero volts and the bulb does not light.

Now the regulator end of the bulb is not connected to the output of the alternator - but to the output of the windings inside the alternator. These windings have a higher voltage than the big terminal on (or the output of) the alternator. It is the regulators job to adjust this higher winding voltage so as to keep the the Big terminal output somewhere between 13.5 and 14.5 volts. The windings inside the alternator will have a slightly higher voltage than that. And it is these windings that the "other end" of the dash light is connected to.

Under a heavy current load, such as is present when the headlights and blower fan are on, the regulator must provide enough current to supply those needs while keeping the battery terminal voltage in the specified voltage range, and that means increasing the voltage at the alternator windings - where the "other end" of the dash light is connected. This higher voltage at the windings pushes the extra current that is needed for the heavier load. 

At this point the dash light will have system voltage at one end of the filament and that heavy-load charging voltage at the other end. This can be as much as 3 or 4 volts difference across the alternator dash light. And that is enough to make it start glowing.

Slow down the engine and the charging ability of the alternator is limited and the glowing will diminish. Turn off either or both of the lights and the fan and it should stop glowing.
In other words it's nothing to worry about.

By the way - turning on the headlights (with brights) and fan (full speed) at the same time is how a brand new alternator is tested.

Hope this helps,
Bogy.
 
"Hardware eventually fails. Software eventually works"                 - Michael Hartung


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We've developed an interesting problem on our 560SEL another 126 with a similar layout.  While driving with the headlights or AC on at approx 50mph the red warning light on the dash sttatring glowin.  The strange thing is the brightness increased as the engine speed increased.  I tried one of the plug in testers and it showed normal batter condition and the alternator operating properly.  I checked the battery connections and verified the water level in the battery.  I haven' checked the terminal block on the fender or the engine grounds yet.  Is there anything else we should check?

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Charging problems

 

I had a '59 Chevy Belair that did this same thing.
Since the dash light is wired essentially the same way on both, I will explain my theory. 

One end of that light is connected to the +12 volt side of the electrical system and is energized when the key is turned on..

The other end of that light is connected to the regulator circuit in the alternator and supplies the initial "tickling" current to power the regulator and get the charging/regulatin process started in the alternator. Once the car starts the regulator is "self" powered by the alternator and the voltage at the alternator/regulator end of the light goes up to charging voltage. This means that when the alternator is charging properly, the dash light has ABOUT the same voltage at both ends and that is why it goes out when the alternator starts charging. 

To be clear it takes a DIFFERENCE of 12 volts to light a bulb. That means 12 volts across the bulb filament (or contacts). 12 volts at one end and 0 volts at the other. When both ends of the filament are at 12 volts, the DIFFERENCE is zero volts and the bulb does not light.

Now the regulator end of the bulb is not connected to the output of the alternator - but to the output of the windings inside the alternator. These windings have a higher voltage than the big terminal on (or the output of) the alternator. It is the regulators job to adjust this higher winding voltage so as to keep the the Big terminal output somewhere between 13.5 and 14.5 volts. The windings inside the alternator will have a slightly higher voltage than that. And it is these windings that the "other end" of the dash light is connected to.

Under a heavy current load, such as is present when the headlights and blower fan are on, the regulator must provide enough current to supply those needs while keeping the battery terminal voltage in the specified voltage range, and that means increasing the voltage at the alternator windings - where the "other end" of the dash light is connected. This higher voltage at the windings pushes the extra current that is needed for the heavier load. 

At this point the dash light will have system voltage at one end of the filament and that heavy-load charging voltage at the other end. This can be as much as 3 or 4 volts difference across the alternator dash light. And that is enough to make it start glowing.

Slow down the engine and the charging ability of the alternator is limited and the glowing will diminish. Turn off either or both of the lights and the fan and it should stop glowing.
In other words it's nothing to worry about.

By the way - turning on the headlights (with brights) and fan (full speed) at the same time is how a brand new alternator is tested.

Hope this helps,
Bogy.
 
"Hardware eventually fails. Software eventually works"                 - Michael Hartung


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We've developed an interesting problem on our 560SEL another 126 with a similar layout.  While driving with the headlights or AC on at approx 50mph the red warning light on the dash sttatring glowin.  The strange thing is the brightness increased as the engine speed increased.  I tried one of the plug in testers and it showed normal batter condition and the alternator operating properly.  I checked the battery connections and verified the water level in the battery.  I haven' checked the terminal block on the fender or the engine grounds yet.  Is there anything else we should check?

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] I need some advice...

 

My sentiments exactly

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Max temple jasperezra@gmail.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Maybe some mechanic  took it for a joy ride and beat the heck out of it. Stuff does not break from sitting. Flat tire? max

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 8:53 PM, wilck_ray@hotmail.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Hello,

Although I have read the posts on this group for years, this is only my second post.

Last year, I posted that my 1983 300CD lost power going up steep hills.  This group advised me to replace the filters, which I did.  Problem solved.

I am a worker for the United Methodist Church.  I work in Prague in the Czech Republic.

I return to the USA each December and stay for about 6 weeks.  I remove the car from heated storage and drive it for about 3,000 miles, then place it back in storage.

I just got an email from the storage facility that the front of the car is sagging.  Their mechanics believe the driver's front coil spring has broken.

Is this an expensive repair?  Should I replace both front springs?

Could this have been a safety issue, if the spring failed while driving?

Am I nuts expecting reliable transportation from a 30 plus year old car under these conditions?

I will certainly  appreciate any thoughts.

Ray

       








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Re: [diesel_mercedes] I need some advice...

 

Maybe some mechanic  took it for a joy ride and beat the heck out of it. Stuff does not break from sitting. Flat tire? max

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 8:53 PM, wilck_ray@hotmail.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Hello,

Although I have read the posts on this group for years, this is only my second post.

Last year, I posted that my 1983 300CD lost power going up steep hills.  This group advised me to replace the filters, which I did.  Problem solved.

I am a worker for the United Methodist Church.  I work in Prague in the Czech Republic.

I return to the USA each December and stay for about 6 weeks.  I remove the car from heated storage and drive it for about 3,000 miles, then place it back in storage.

I just got an email from the storage facility that the front of the car is sagging.  Their mechanics believe the driver's front coil spring has broken.

Is this an expensive repair?  Should I replace both front springs?

Could this have been a safety issue, if the spring failed while driving?

Am I nuts expecting reliable transportation from a 30 plus year old car under these conditions?

I will certainly  appreciate any thoughts.

Ray

       





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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Charging problems

 

Check the alternator while the engine is running and up through the rpm range.  See if it moves.

Mounting bushings can wear out and cause the belt to go tight, then loose.  Bushings are an east

fix, the usual parts suppliers have these.

 

 

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Maybe a loose alternator belt?

If there are no other problems, I’d wait for something else electrical to crop up.

On the old, pre-1970’s VW’s the red light would glow slightly at night but it usually went no further than that.

Bill in Oregon


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No problem with lights and AC off.  The voltage regulator is internal and will be changed this week.  Voltage is OK  with engine running. No alternator or battery problems are showing on the plug in meter set.  The car at this point is a couple hundred miles away so further diagnosis by me is difficult.  But any suggestions can be checked and implemented. 

 

Thanks for your interest.

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On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:39 AM, 'Atwood,Warren' Warren.Atwood@altramotion.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Without the headlights and AC do you have the same issue?    Are the alternators internally or externally

regulated on these?  I do not know.   What is the battery voltage at idle and bring it up to 2000 rpm?   Should be around 14.1 volts

at idle and 2000 rpm.

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We've developed an interesting problem on our 560SEL another 126 with a similar layout.  While driving with the headlights or AC on at approx 50mph the red warning light on the dash sttatring glowin.  The strange thing is the brightness increased as the engine speed increased.  I tried one of the plug in testers and it showed normal batter condition and the alternator operating properly.  I checked the battery connections and verified the water level in the battery.  I haven' checked the terminal block on the fender or the engine grounds yet.  Is there anything else we should check?

 

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