[diesel_mercedes] sunroof gear compatibility

 

This forum says the Turkish gears will work.

https://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/2664585-diy-replace-sunroof-gear-1984-w123.html

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[diesel_mercedes] sunroof diagnosis

 

Took the non-closing sunroof apart today.  Pulled the cable which was in
great shape.  Pulled the motor and found the large fiber gear worn
almost flat in the critical area for closing.  Will need to source a new
one (new ones aren't available).  There are some after market ones being
manufactured in Turkey on ebay at a reasonable price.  Either that or a
used one.

There is a gear available for the W124 opener that "looks" identical but
no claim is made that it would fit a 123.  Anyone know anything about
compatibility.

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[diesel_mercedes] Turbo Boost Adjustment

 



Thanx Rob ! .

I'm glad you saved this because the links are all dead except this one that goes to a blank page, prolly just to save the domain : http://ww1.diymbrepair.com/

I have copied and saved these directions .

There's one more thing to test that I'm pretty sure is not right on my car, I'll test it when I get home before i do this .

I wish there were pictures to go along with it as there is more than one configuration to the Garret T3 turbochargers .

-Nate
       Rob wrote :

Hi Nate,

Years ago I saved this article and adjusted my Turbo just a bit. 

See below

I don't know if the link addresses are still good.

Rob

'85 300D

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http://diymbrepair.com/easley/wgate.htm
Turbocharger Wastegate Valve
Spring Tension Adjustment for 617 Engines

Introduction

The technical material for this FAQ (Frequently Asked Question) was provided by Stu Ritter of Stu Ritter Mercedes-Benz Technician, Inc. of Denver, Colorado, was edited by Richard Easley of Baylor University, and is provided as a service to the subscribers of the Mercedes-Benz Discussion List.

To receive similar quality tips as described below on a daily basis, consider subscribing to the Mercedes-Benz Discussion List, which is located at the following site:

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Assumptions

Using the categories of mechanical ability from the Mercedes-Benz Discussion List <http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/mercedes/subscribe.html>, you need to be at the level of "Medium Do-It-Yourselfer" at minimum, to check the boost pressure. If you are below that level, you may want to provide these instructions for someone who is at the medium level or beyond.

Introduction

Garrett Turbochargers

If you have a Garrett turbocharger (w/ wastegate adjustment inside cover), removing the cover takes some time and perserverance. It is not particularly difficult, just tedious. Make sure that the turbo area is cool (use a fan between adjustments) and when re-installing the spring, "squeeze" it to reduce its diameter before inserting. Then, with a screwdriver push on the flat part of the spring until it seats.

 

KKK Turbocharger

If you have a KKK turbo, the adjusting screw sticks right out of the top (sideways on engine) of the wastegate chamber and does not require removal of a cap.

Caveats

Remember both of these turbos are capable of over 40 pounds per square inch of boost and they run against an open wastegate all the time so these adjustments are really critical. Don't get carried away or you are going to buy a motor. However, please note that it is hard to get a tremendous amount of boost (i.e., well beyond safe ranges) from an original 617 turbo now that the cars have a few years on them now and the springs are fatigued somewhat. Still, confidently proceed with caution.

If you have an exhaust temp gauge in-line you can carry the boost procedure a little further, but even at 0.9 bar (upper limit of factory specifications) they just fly.

Preliminary steps necessary before adjusting wastegate valve spring tension

Prior to adjusting the wastegate valve spring tension, there are two necessary preliminary steps that need to be taken, each of which is provided at this web site: http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/mercedes/mercedes.html and is referenced below:

   1. The first step is to ensure that the injection pump is timed correctly. This procedure is described on the following web page:
   2. http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/iptiming.htm Checking the boost sensing lines and overboost sensing switch is the next step in this process and is described on the following webpage:
   3. http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/boostchk.htm After successful completion of the above two steps, you are now ready to adjust the wastegate valve spring tension (i.e., boost adjustment).

Tools needed for adjusting wastegate valve spring tension on turbocharger

   1. High quality vacuum/pressure gauge (needed for checking boost pressure only)
   2. "T" fitting for vacuum gauge and 6 - 8 foot length of vacuum hose for monitoring boost pressure while driving vehicle (needed for checking boost pressure only)
   3. Phillips screwdriver
   4. 10 mm socket and 1/4" drive ratchet and extension for removing air horn
   5. Pliers for removing sensor hose clamps at turbocharger
   6. Small mirror for clarity during cover removal
   7. High powered flashlight or shoplight

Instructions

   1. Remove the u-shaped air intake and the intake to the air cleaner. Make sure to re-install before testing boost pressure.
   2. Cool the turbo area with fan.
   3. Spray the cap cover "spring" area with Liquid Wrench or other similar solvent.
   4. Using a couple of small screwdrivers (a very thin bladed 5-8" shafted one is great), "spin" the spring around until it starts popping out.
   5. Pull out the spring with needlenose pliers or fingers.
   6. Remove wastegate valve cover. Be careful not to damage the rubber seal behind cap (but attached to body of turbocharger) when removing. There will likely be a small quantity of oil that will leak out when the cover is removed; this is normal – not a problem.
   7. Completely remove locknut on wastegate valve.
   8. Make a note of measured length of exposed threads on valve.
   9. Turn spring assembly (it has flat, thin edges for wrench) clockwise. Begin with 3 full turns - it sounds like too much, but it isn't! If our approximations are
      correct, for every 1/8" of threads exposed (by screwing spring assembly in),
      this equates to 0.15-0.20 bar of boost.
  10. Reverse disassembly procedure. To reinstall spring as easy as possible:

   1. Make sure that you've thoroughly cleaned the groove where the spring
      resides.
   2. Make sure that the spring is thoroughly clean.
   3. Lightly file or grind the flat side of the spring at each end so that it's
      shiny. This enables you to manuever better when inserting 'cause shiny end
      shows.
   4. Make sure that rubber gasket is firmly seated before replacing cover.
   5. Compress spring with fingers to reduce diameter when placing in groove.
      And, push cover hard simultaneously.
   6. Then, push spring with biggest screwdriver that you can use. Tap
      screwdriver with rubber hammer. You should "feel" spring seat.
   7. Do this only on fan-cooled turbo area.

   1. Road test using Stu's guidelines: having the boost gauge in the car, start driving a fully warmed up motor and engage "S" and go up to 4,000 rpm and full throttle, read the boost. Good luck and hold on to your hat.
   2. If further adjustment is needed, cool turbo area with fan.

Finally

      Please let me know if you complete this procedure successfully; it took a while to type this, and I'd appreciate knowing when each person has completed the repair! Please e-mail me at richard_easley@...

      

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      Richard Easley, Waco, Texas and Stu Ritter, Denver, Colorado.
      The Mercedes-Benz Discussion List is not affiliated with any other Mercedes-Benz electronic discussion lists nor is it affiliated with Mercedes-Benz of North America or any of its subsidiaries.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Exhaust Smoke Redaux

 

Hi Nate,

Years ago I saved this article and adjusted my Turbo just a bit. 

See below

I don't know if the link addresses are still good.

Rob

'85 300D

=

http://diymbrepair.com/easley/wgate.htm
Turbocharger Wastegate Valve
Spring Tension Adjustment for 617 Engines

Introduction

The technical material for this FAQ (Frequently Asked Question) was provided by Stu Ritter of Stu Ritter Mercedes-Benz Technician, Inc. of Denver, Colorado, was edited by Richard Easley of Baylor University, and is provided as a service to the subscribers of the Mercedes-Benz Discussion List.

To receive similar quality tips as described below on a daily basis, consider subscribing to the Mercedes-Benz Discussion List, which is located at the following site:

http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/mercedes/welcome.html


Assumptions

Using the categories of mechanical ability from the Mercedes-Benz Discussion List <http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/mercedes/subscribe.html>, you need to be at the level of "Medium Do-It-Yourselfer" at minimum, to check the boost pressure. If you are below that level, you may want to provide these instructions for someone who is at the medium level or beyond.

Introduction

Garrett Turbochargers

If you have a Garrett turbocharger (w/ wastegate adjustment inside cover), removing the cover takes some time and perserverance. It is not particularly difficult, just tedious. Make sure that the turbo area is cool (use a fan between adjustments) and when re-installing the spring, "squeeze" it to reduce its diameter before inserting. Then, with a screwdriver push on the flat part of the spring until it seats.

 

KKK Turbocharger

If you have a KKK turbo, the adjusting screw sticks right out of the top (sideways on engine) of the wastegate chamber and does not require removal of a cap.

Caveats

Remember both of these turbos are capable of over 40 pounds per square inch of boost and they run against an open wastegate all the time so these adjustments are really critical. Don't get carried away or you are going to buy a motor. However, please note that it is hard to get a tremendous amount of boost (i.e., well beyond safe ranges) from an original 617 turbo now that the cars have a few years on them now and the springs are fatigued somewhat. Still, confidently proceed with caution.

If you have an exhaust temp gauge in-line you can carry the boost procedure a little further, but even at 0.9 bar (upper limit of factory specifications) they just fly.

Preliminary steps necessary before adjusting wastegate valve spring tension

Prior to adjusting the wastegate valve spring tension, there are two necessary preliminary steps that need to be taken, each of which is provided at this web site: http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/mercedes/mercedes.html and is referenced below:

   1. The first step is to ensure that the injection pump is timed correctly. This procedure is described on the following web page:
   2. http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/iptiming.htm Checking the boost sensing lines and overboost sensing switch is the next step in this process and is described on the following webpage:
   3. http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/boostchk.htm After successful completion of the above two steps, you are now ready to adjust the wastegate valve spring tension (i.e., boost adjustment).

Tools needed for adjusting wastegate valve spring tension on turbocharger

   1. High quality vacuum/pressure gauge (needed for checking boost pressure only)
   2. "T" fitting for vacuum gauge and 6 - 8 foot length of vacuum hose for monitoring boost pressure while driving vehicle (needed for checking boost pressure only)
   3. Phillips screwdriver
   4. 10 mm socket and 1/4" drive ratchet and extension for removing air horn
   5. Pliers for removing sensor hose clamps at turbocharger
   6. Small mirror for clarity during cover removal
   7. High powered flashlight or shoplight

Instructions

   1. Remove the u-shaped air intake and the intake to the air cleaner. Make sure to re-install before testing boost pressure.
   2. Cool the turbo area with fan.
   3. Spray the cap cover "spring" area with Liquid Wrench or other similar solvent.
   4. Using a couple of small screwdrivers (a very thin bladed 5-8" shafted one is great), "spin" the spring around until it starts popping out.
   5. Pull out the spring with needlenose pliers or fingers.
   6. Remove wastegate valve cover. Be careful not to damage the rubber seal behind cap (but attached to body of turbocharger) when removing. There will likely be a small quantity of oil that will leak out when the cover is removed; this is normal – not a problem.
   7. Completely remove locknut on wastegate valve.
   8. Make a note of measured length of exposed threads on valve.
   9. Turn spring assembly (it has flat, thin edges for wrench) clockwise. Begin with 3 full turns - it sounds like too much, but it isn't! If our approximations are
      correct, for every 1/8" of threads exposed (by screwing spring assembly in),
      this equates to 0.15-0.20 bar of boost.
  10. Reverse disassembly procedure. To reinstall spring as easy as possible:

   1. Make sure that you've thoroughly cleaned the groove where the spring
      resides.
   2. Make sure that the spring is thoroughly clean.
   3. Lightly file or grind the flat side of the spring at each end so that it's
      shiny. This enables you to manuever better when inserting 'cause shiny end
      shows.
   4. Make sure that rubber gasket is firmly seated before replacing cover.
   5. Compress spring with fingers to reduce diameter when placing in groove.
      And, push cover hard simultaneously.
   6. Then, push spring with biggest screwdriver that you can use. Tap
      screwdriver with rubber hammer. You should "feel" spring seat.
   7. Do this only on fan-cooled turbo area.

   1. Road test using Stu's guidelines: having the boost gauge in the car, start driving a fully warmed up motor and engage "S" and go up to 4,000 rpm and full throttle, read the boost. Good luck and hold on to your hat.
   2. If further adjustment is needed, cool turbo area with fan.

Finally

      Please let me know if you complete this procedure successfully; it took a while to type this, and I'd appreciate knowing when each person has completed the repair! Please e-mail me at richard_easley@baylor.edu

      

      ©1998
      Richard Easley, Waco, Texas and Stu Ritter, Denver, Colorado.
      The Mercedes-Benz Discussion List is not affiliated with any other Mercedes-Benz electronic discussion lists nor is it affiliated with Mercedes-Benz of North America or any of its subsidiaries.

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On 9/6/18 10:11 AM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] wrote:

It's still smoking a bit but not sooting the cove up like before, my Son was telling me to " ! turn up the boost !" and i don't see any adjustments there but it remained in the back of my mind as someone else on another Diesel forum was talking general old Mercedes Diesel tests and cures, I had an !HA! moment and hopefully will have a good repaort soon after I get home and back to work as I now have some new parts but not the proper tools to install them so far from home .

Stay tuned .

-Nate



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[diesel_mercedes] Radio / Antenna Gone CRAZY

 

O.K. so we're out visiting in Henderson, Nv. just tooling along in the 96* F heat, AC blowing and going, conversing after a nice lunch when suddenly I begin to hear faint music ~ I ask if Demarkis in the back seat has un muted his game, no says SWMBO, it's the radio and points ~ it has turned itself on so I looked in the mirror and Lo ! the power antenna is slightly less than 1/2 way up ! .

I fiddle with the antenna switch on the dashboard and get it to go 2/3 the way up, now I can get a local FM station and have clear reception ~ I get to our place and find a shady parking spot, grab a clean paper towel and vigorously clean the exposed antenna mast before shutting the car off and opening the trunk (it needs the key to open the trunk), turn the ignition back on and am pleased to see the antenna begin to extend, I gently  help it until it stops then reach into the now open trunk and unplug the power cord , shut the car off and close it all up, now we'll be able to play the radio on the way home to - morrow, whew .

I'm wondering how / why the radio turned itself on, I hope it's not getting ready to die on me .

-Nate
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