[diesel_mercedes] Diesel Injector Service ~ DIY

 

You have the hard part done then. If you have access to a bench vice, take the injector apart. It comes apart in halves. Upper half will have the shim, spring, and tappet. Lower half will have the sealing disk and the nozzle/pintle assembly.

Soak the whole thing in solvent and make sure it is VERY clean. Use a piece of glass (I use a piece from a picture frame) and lay down a sheet of 2000 or 4000 grit sandpaper. Dribble on some diesel fuel for lubricant and polish the face of the upper half of the injector holder, both faces of the sealing disk, and the upper face of the injector nozzle (the part that seals against the sealing disk). Clean everything very well in clean solvent. Pull out and let dry, then drop everything into clean diesel fuel.

Hold the upper half of the injector holder upside down (so the part the hard line screws into is pointing at the floor). Drop in your shim(s), spring, and tappet. Lay on the sealing disk, then lay down the new nozzle (or your cleaned old one) and thread on the lower injector half by hand. Clamp in a vice upside down and torque to 70NM.

Now go out and test your pop pressure. If it isn't where you want it, disassemble and add or remove shims above the spring. Reassemble and re-test. You don't need to re-polish the sealing parts when doing this.

Once your pop pressure is where you want it, check the spray pattern. It should have a nice even cone. You shouldn't see one side spraying heavier than the other, spraying off to one side, or spraying in a straight/squirt-gun pattern.

If the pattern is good, move on to chatter. Give long constant strokes just at the pop pressure. The injector should be pulsing on and off as you pump the lever. If you go too fast, you'll get a constant spray. If you time it just right, you'll get it to "sing", sort of a very high pitched whine as the injector rapidly pops. If the injector doesn't chatter, or if it pops and continues to spray without resetting, it likely is binding up in its bore.

Assuming the chatter was good, slowly build pressure in the pop tester until you get just to the pop pressure. Hold that pressure with the lever and check the tip. If it starts to "pee" you likely need to disassemble the injector and clean the holder. Sometimes they will just barely weep, then pop. That's fine. This is a mechanical device, they aren't perfect.

Relieve pressure, then pump up ~15-20bar below your pop pressure and maintain that pressure. On a turbo engine, that's ~1600PSI. Count to 10. You should have no drops coming off the tip of the injector.

Last test. Make sure the relief valve is firmly tightened on your pop tester, then pump the lever until the injector pops, then allow pressure to naturally decay. If it drops below 1600PSI in ~10 seconds, the internal leakage is high. You'll need to re-polish the mating surfaces and try again.

Spend your time up front getting the pop pressure dialed in, then worry about the functional parts later. You'll save a ton of time. The process isn't difficult, just time consuming. An anal attention to detail matters. You'll have a decent running and reasonably smooth idling engine if you get the pop pressures +/-50PSI (100PSI between lowest and highest pop) by adjusting shims. You'll get the best results by getting it +/-25PSI (50PSI between lowest and highest pop). The pop pressure influences injection timing, the tighter the tolerance, the tighter the timing will be. This isn't a perfect world, so don't dwell on perfection. 50PSI spread is fine, 25 is better. If you have compression imbalance, you won't notice the 25PSI difference anyway, so use your time wisely!
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[diesel_mercedes] Conrad's 300D

 




Please  write in detail what you do to halt the loping idle Conrad .

My 300CD is mostly loping @ idle again and emits a very thin stream of grey smoke under load, indicating IMO, over fueling .

FeEx has a package for me I hope to collect to  - day, I think it's my new injection pump delivery valves from Germany via The M-B Classic Center .


-Nate
        Conrad      wrote :

>Conrad, your engine seems to be in EXCELLENT condition!

I've been pretty fortunate with this poor little 300D.  The first two owners took incredibly good care of this car, from what I can see--and drove the majority of its miles in Texas and then Florida.  Then, however, one the kids of the second owner took the car to college.... I got the car for a song because it had a snapped radiator neck and was overheating.  Also, living outside in Florida near the ocean (as opposed to what I think had been a previous garage-based existence) started taking a toll on both the interior and exterior, so the car was looking affirmatively shabby until I used the better part of a bottle of polish to buff out the paint.

Today, the car has all kinds of niggling projects that I need to address if I ever get free time, and the a/c doesn't work (of course), but the engine starts and runs really well (the new timing chain kit a friend and I put in didn't hurt, either, and I'm hoping to rebuild the injectors this summer, as the engine has started to lope a bit at idle), and the transmission shifts far better than it should at the mileage it's at.  I wonder whether it was rebuilt at some point before the car was passed to the neglectful immediate former owner....

--Conrad

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Mary Gets a Once Over

 

Somewhere about 15 minutes into this video they start talking about a 9 cylinder diesel engine and what it takes to start it and keep it running.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqnXI_UbJkk

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Any more details of condition?

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Mary Gets a Once Over

 

>Conrad, your engine seems to be in EXCELLENT condition!


I've been pretty fortunate with this poor little 300D.  The first two owners took incredibly good care of this car, from what I can see--and drove the majority of its miles in Texas and then Florida.  Then, however, one the kids of the second owner took the car to college.... I got the car for a song because it had a snapped radiator neck and was overheating.  Also, living outside in Florida near the ocean (as opposed to what I think had been a previous garage-based existence) started taking a toll on both the interior and exterior, so the car was looking affirmatively shabby until I used the better part of a bottle of polish to buff out the paint.

Today, the car has all kinds of niggling projects that I need to address if I ever get free time, and the a/c doesn't work (of course), but the engine starts and runs really well (the new timing chain kit a friend and I put in didn't hurt, either, and I'm hoping to rebuild the injectors this summer, as the engine has started to lope a bit at idle), and the transmission shifts far better than it should at the mileage it's at.  I wonder whether it was rebuilt at some point before the car was passed to the neglectful immediate former owner....

--Conrad

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Mary Gets a Once Over

 

Lower compression would result in longer and harder starting.  These engines need HIGH compression in order to start, and start quickly.  The higher the compression, the easier it will start, all other factors being equal.


Conrad, your engine seems to be in EXCELLENT condition!


Mark in Centennial, CO

On April 22, 2017 at 10:50 PM "Conrad Jacoby conrad.jacoby@gmail.com [diesel_mercedes]" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

3-5 glow cycles to start in 35 degree weather? I've only had to go to
3 cycles with my 300D when it got down to 20, and that was with one
known dead glow plug (I don't usually drive my 300D in the winter). I
typically double-cycle when it's below 50, but that's because I don't
like to grind my starter as long as it would otherwise take.

Now, with an all-original engine with 268,000 miles and a few years of
neglect before I got it, I don't know its current compression. It may
be starting more easily because it's starting to have low compression.
But, it doesn't smoke at all once it's warmed up, so I'm still very
happy with it.

--CJJ


 

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[diesel_mercedes] Old P-A-P Photo

 

That was a while ago ! .

Thanx for sharing, I saved it .


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