Re: Fwd: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

 

Barry:

A diesel cannot run "too lean". If there is not enough fuel for the engine to run at the speed it is going, it will slow down until combustion (and more importantly, work) can take place. Or, more accurately, the engine will slow down until the fuel balances with the load the engine is under. Please recall that a diesel engine has no throttle valve. So there is no artificial restriction on the amount of air ingested during each intake stroke. Engine speed, or more accurately, output power, is entirely controlled by the amount of fuel injected. At idle, for example, you are taking in just as much air during each intake stroke as at freeway speed. The only difference is the amount of fuel injected. So it is not possible for a diesel engine to "run lean". It will simply slow down if it is "not getting enough fuel".

And as for the bubbles, if you are seeing bubbles then it is not sucking air in, but blowing it out. And the cylinder is under pressure on every stroke but the intake. And on the intake stroke the intake valve is wide open so there is little chance that you are sucking air into the chamber through the "bubbling leak" that you see. Oh yeah, and if your turbo is working then the cylinder is under pressure even during intake.

Diesel engines are not like gasoline engines. Gasoline engines control both the air flow and the fuel. Further, the fuel and air is homogeneously mixed during intake. If you don't balance the fuel and air then it can be too rich or too lean. But in a diesel things work differently. A full charge of air is taken in on each intake stroke regardless of the amount of fuel that will be injected. At idle that is a small amount of fuel. At full speed that is a large amount of fuel. And for the exact same amount of air. So why does it work? Well . . . when the fuel is injected, it starts out in a very dense concentrated cloud or mist that quickly thins out into the pre chamber or cylinder depending on the engine design. There is no air in the center of this fuel cloud to burn. It is too rich in the center of this cloud. But there is air around the edges. So it starts to burn there. That first burning produces heat that helps the cloud of fuel expand and disperse. In our case, as it blows through the pre-chamber holes, a violent turbulence is created that really breaks down and disperses the fuel cloud. In the ideal case every molecule of fuel will eventually find enough oxygen molecules to completely react with. And if there is extra oxygen, hey, it just doesn't get used. This is very different from mixing the gasoline and air beforehand and hoping you get it just right.

At the very least, the guy who told you that your engine is running lean does not know what he is talking about.

Bogy.

--- On Thu, 4/7/11, Barry Edwards <duckn8r@me.com> wrote:

Begin forwarded message:
Thanks I try.
Hay today I was driving my 1979 123 300D  Mercedes down the road  the car was running great, I stopped and turned off the car.
After ten minutes started back  down the road and at between  50 to 60 miles hour It would get 
this detonation sound.   It was like this  light knocking.
 A few months ago I had a fuel leak, from the washer on top the fuel filter under the main bolt and air would get in the line,
I could see little bubbles moving in the clear lines,going from the filter to the fuel injection pump and it knock. The mechanic told me that was a knocking from it being to lean. That's what it sounded like today.
   I see bubbles coming out around one of my injectors when it is at an idle. 
could the piston be sucking air in at that speed causing that knock?     

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On Apr 6, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Blaise Colasante <supervee03@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Barry,
Have you checked fuel filters? My 300D had a similar problem but not so pronounced. I found that I had fungus in my fuel tank that was clogging the fuel filter. The clear filter was looking black and the sending unit in the tank was covered with black slime. Let us know if you discover the same problem. There are corrective measures short of dropping the fuel tank.
Blaise


From: Barry Edwards <duckn8r@me.com>
To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 12:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

 

Now I don't know what to believe, I'm just trying to make this car drive, right now it slow down to 10 mile an hour driving up a hill if I don't get it up to 50 before I go up it.
I'm just hoping to have a engine that will get forty miles a gallon or better but the motor should have a little better pick up I not trying to make a race car, what do you guy think of that?thanks again for your response, Barry

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Fwd: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

 



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Begin forwarded message:

From: Barry Edwards <duckn8r@me.com>
Date: April 6, 2011 8:50:07 PM EDT
To: Tracey Edwards <Tracey.Edwards@stryker.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

Thanks I try.
Hay today I was driving my 1979 123 300D  Mercedes down the road  the car was running great, I stopped and turned off the car.
After ten minutes started back  down the road and at between  50 to 60 miles hour It would get 
this detonation sound.   It was like this  light knocking.
 A few months ago I had a fuel leak, from the washer on top the fuel filter under the main bolt and air would get in the line,
I could see little bubbles moving in the clear lines,going from the filter to the fuel injection pump and it knock. The mechanic told me that was a knocking from it being to lean. That's what it sounded like today.
   I see bubbles coming out around one of my injectors when it is at an idle. 
could the piston be sucking air in at that speed causing that knock?     

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 6, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Blaise Colasante <supervee03@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Barry,
Have you checked fuel filters? My 300D had a similar problem but not so pronounced. I found that I had fungus in my fuel tank that was clogging the fuel filter. The clear filter was looking black and the sending unit in the tank was covered with black slime. Let us know if you discover the same problem. There are corrective measures short of dropping the fuel tank.
Blaise


From: Barry Edwards <duckn8r@me.com>
To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 12:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

 

Now I don't know what to believe, I'm just trying to make this car drive, right now it slow down to 10 mile an hour driving up a hill if I don't get it up to 50 before I go up it.
I'm just hoping to have a engine that will get forty miles a gallon or better but the motor should have a little better pick up I not trying to make a race car, what do you guy think of that?thanks again for your response, Barry

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

 

ps - one post I read in a forum also mentioned same symptoms due to banjo bolts needing cleaning with carb cleaner. This guy started cleaning his banjo bolts every 6 months when he changed his oil.
 
brian from la verne, ca



From: Blaise Colasante <supervee03@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 1:51:36 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

 

Barry,
Have you checked fuel filters? My 300D had a similar problem but not so pronounced. I found that I had fungus in my fuel tank that was clogging the fuel filter. The clear filter was looking black and the sending unit in the tank was covered with black slime. Let us know if you discover the same problem. There are corrective measures short of dropping the fuel tank.
Blaise


From: Barry Edwards <duckn8r@me.com>
To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 12:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

 

Now I don't know what to believe, I'm just trying to make this car drive, right now it slow down to 10 mile an hour driving up a hill if I don't get it up to 50 before I go up it.
I'm just hoping to have a engine that will get forty miles a gallon or better but the motor should have a little better pick up I not trying to make a race car, what do you guy think of that?thanks again for your response, Barry

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

 

Barry,
Have you checked fuel filters? My 300D had a similar problem but not so pronounced. I found that I had fungus in my fuel tank that was clogging the fuel filter. The clear filter was looking black and the sending unit in the tank was covered with black slime. Let us know if you discover the same problem. There are corrective measures short of dropping the fuel tank.
Blaise


From: Barry Edwards <duckn8r@me.com>
To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 12:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

 

Now I don't know what to believe, I'm just trying to make this car drive, right now it slow down to 10 mile an hour driving up a hill if I don't get it up to 50 before I go up it.
I'm just hoping to have a engine that will get forty miles a gallon or better but the motor should have a little better pick up I not trying to make a race car, what do you guy think of that?thanks again for your response, Barry

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Doing some R&D need your help

 

I've posted about this before, yet it fits the current discussion. My
'85 300D turbo was doing the 5-10 mph up the hills, leaving a hot
springs in NoCal, after driving on the winding roads stirred up the muck
in the tank, thus clogging the filters. Luckily, I have two tanks, and
one was still OK after putting in more diesel. I barely made it out of
the hills. I changed both filters, and avoided the winding roads when
possible, and it acted OK. When I could, I ran some STARTON through the
tank, which gets the bugs out of the tank, which clog up everything. I
now run STARTON through the tank every once and awhile to keep it clean.
Unless you know your tank is clean, don't run it below 1/4 tank, as it
stir up the muck, and clog the filters, hills make it worse.

Rob
'85 300D
Garden Grove, CA
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On 4/6/11 1:39 AM, diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Re: Doing some R&D need your help
> Posted by: "Mark in Lakewood CO"beeser750@q.com beeser750
> Date: Tue Apr 5, 2011 8:06 pm ((PDT))
>
>
> Yeah, there's something wrong if you're only able to go 10 MPH, on ANY hill. I had a normally aspirated (non-turbo) 300D ('77), and, even around here, at a mile high, it had no real problems. The car was rated at 80hp, at sea level, which meant about 68 hp around town here, and around 55 hp at 10,000 ft. Anyone who's driven I-70 west from here to Vail knows what it's like, and, while I obviously wasn't the fastest thing running up there, I was by no means the slowest, either. It kept up with traffic with little trouble. Acceleration was, well, leisurely, but it DID accelerate.
>
> Mark in Lakewood, CO
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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : Ubuntu

 

I have had my parents using Ubuntu for about 2 years now. They are both in their 70's and have no problems with the simple daily tasks they need(mostly email and web). I update their computer about every 3 months and don't ever hear about viruses and computer crashes. They are happily running Ubuntu on a single core machine with 1G memory and its plenty fast enough for them. I haven't used windows since about 2004 and haven't missed a thing.
Garret Crisler

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Yates Emory <liberty1@...> wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> When I started using Ubuntu, it was almost no learning curve. Things were a
> little different, but not hard to switch.
>
> Bobby
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Nate <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting .
> >
> > I'm hoping I won't have to learn all this new stuff....
> >
> > -Nate
> > Brad wrote:
> > >
> > > I fired up my windows machine, went to the bootable Ubuntu site, put a
> > thumbdrive in the pc and downloaded the OS. Took the thumbdrive out of the
> > pc, stuffed it into my lapdrive USB port and the laptop fires up using
> > Ubuntu, from the thumbdrive. The laptop has a non-functioning harddrive that
> > isn't worth the $ to fix. Couldn't be more simple.
> > >
> > > BTW, a bootable version can be burned to CD that can be used to fire up
> > your pc, also; since it cannot be written to, it is a safer way to access
> > bank accounts, tranfer funds etc. (IMHO, of course).
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Toward freedom,
>
> Bobby Yates Emory
>

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