RE: [diesel_mercedes] 300TD ALIGNMENT

 

Check that there are no loose ends on the steering tie rod ends. Jack up the front end and move each tire side-to-side while watching the steering wheel.

Shaking the front wheel top-to-bottom will show looseness in either the wheel bearings or the king-pins/ball-joints holding the front wheel on.  Bill in Oregon

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370K miles. no suspension overhaul to my knowledge. Everything is still original equipment. 205 70 R 14. To my way of thinking Big-O tires is both incompetent and irresponsible.

 

But what are these parts that you mention?

The rubber around the camber adjustment end of the lower control arm looks like it has moved - as if it has been squeezed out of it's original shape. It does not stick out symmetrically around the large bore hole it is fitted into in the control arm. Yet a 3 foot pry bar does not move it either in or out at all. And there is no more adjustment left to pull the bottom of the tires in any further. I don't believe the frame has spread out which leaves something has shifted. Rubber is a valid candidate.

 

I finally went to an independent shop run by a guy I trust. He now does alignments. He didn't last year. He mentioned camber kits in a rather casual way as if they were no big thing. I had never heard of them. Hence my inquiry to this group.

 

In the end I am looking for ways to keep this car on the road. It has been low maintenance, very reliable and relatively inexpensive to operate. I am no in a position to put a lot of money into it. I will buy parts and do the work myself. All except the alignment. Well all except the caster. the camber and toe in are easy.

 

I don't know if this is what you wanted to know. I will gladly supply any more information if it will help me find a solution. Thanks to all for your help.

 

Bogy.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] 300TD ALIGNMENT

 

370K miles. no suspension overhaul to my knowledge. Everything is still original equipment. 205 70 R 14. To my way of thinking Big-O tires is both incompetent and irresponsible.

But what are these parts that you mention?
The rubber around the camber adjustment end of the lower control arm looks like it has moved - as if it has been squeezed out of it's original shape. It does not stick out symmetrically around the large bore hole it is fitted into in the control arm. Yet a 3 foot pry bar does not move it either in or out at all. And there is no more adjustment left to pull the bottom of the tires in any further. I don't believe the frame has spread out which leaves something has shifted. Rubber is a valid candidate.

I finally went to an independent shop run by a guy I trust. He now does alignments. He didn't last year. He mentioned camber kits in a rather casual way as if they were no big thing. I had never heard of them. Hence my inquiry to this group.

In the end I am looking for ways to keep this car on the road. It has been low maintenance, very reliable and relatively inexpensive to operate. I am no in a position to put a lot of money into it. I will buy parts and do the work myself. All except the alignment. Well all except the caster. the camber and toe in are easy.

I don't know if this is what you wanted to know. I will gladly supply any more information if it will help me find a solution. Thanks to all for your help.

Bogy.


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Yeah, too much toe out. They claim that when I accelerate, the front end lifts up enough to change the toe-in so that it toes out. Then they say that grinds down the "leading" edge of the tire, which is the inside edge. Problem is, they did the alignment. And they won't take responsibility for the problem. That said, the camber adjustment cannot be pulled inward any more and it is just barely out of spec now. So they compensated for it by toeing the tires in a bit. So a camber adjusting kit or a recambering kit would save the car. I have never had tires wear this bad until I had it professionally aligned last year.

And they claim it is because of toe out.


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There are a lot of variables here. How many miles are on the car, and has it ever had a suspension overhaul? You could have several parts that are worn or have been replaced with aftermarket parts of lesser quality. What size tires did you get? These cars have never been known to have tires last a really long time. But they handle really well, so there's a bit of a trade-off. Big-O tires? Are they any good?
 
Tom Hanson
Mercedes Benz Classic Center USA
MBUSA, LLC
thomas.hanson@mbusa.com
949 598-4842 direct

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Hey all:

Last year about this time I put 4 brand new Big-O tires on my TD and got it aligned and I began to notice something I had never seen before - inside tire wear on the front tires. Big-O, of course, denies culpability. But I took it in this morning and to be sure there is no more camber adjustment. Questions are, 1) why is there no more camber adjustment and 2) could it be the bushings on the lower arm? 3)Has the frame spread? 4) Are there offset bushings to compensate for this? I hate to loose this rig as it has been boringly reliable, and let's face it- I can't afford to drive anything else.

Any ideas at all are welcome.
bogy.








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Re: [diesel_mercedes] 300TD ALIGNMENT

 

Yeah, too much toe out. They claim that when I accelerate, the front end lifts up enough to change the toe-in so that it toes out. Then they say that grinds down the "leading" edge of the tire, which is the inside edge. Problem is, they did the alignment. And they won't take responsibility for the problem. That said, the camber adjustment cannot be pulled inward any more and it is just barely out of spec now. So they compensated for it by toeing the tires in a bit. So a camber adjusting kit or a recambering kit would save the car. I have never had tires wear this bad until I had it professionally aligned last year.

And they claim it is because of toe out.


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There are a lot of variables here. How many miles are on the car, and has it ever had a suspension overhaul? You could have several parts that are worn or have been replaced with aftermarket parts of lesser quality. What size tires did you get? These cars have never been known to have tires last a really long time. But they handle really well, so there's a bit of a trade-off. Big-O tires? Are they any good?
 
Tom Hanson
Mercedes Benz Classic Center USA
MBUSA, LLC
thomas.hanson@mbusa.com
949 598-4842 direct

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Hey all:

Last year about this time I put 4 brand new Big-O tires on my TD and got it aligned and I began to notice something I had never seen before - inside tire wear on the front tires. Big-O, of course, denies culpability. But I took it in this morning and to be sure there is no more camber adjustment. Questions are, 1) why is there no more camber adjustment and 2) could it be the bushings on the lower arm? 3)Has the frame spread? 4) Are there offset bushings to compensate for this? I hate to loose this rig as it has been boringly reliable, and let's face it- I can't afford to drive anything else.

Any ideas at all are welcome.
bogy.






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There are a lot of variables here. How many miles are on the car, and has it ever had a suspension overhaul? You could have several parts that are worn or have been replaced with aftermarket parts of lesser quality. What size tires did you get? These cars have never been known to have tires last a really long time. But they handle really well, so there's a bit of a trade-off. Big-O tires? Are they any good?
 
Tom Hanson
Mercedes Benz Classic Center USA
MBUSA, LLC
thomas.hanson@mbusa.com
949 598-4842 direct

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Hey all:

Last year about this time I put 4 brand new Big-O tires on my TD and got it aligned and I began to notice something I had never seen before - inside tire wear on the front tires. Big-O, of course, denies culpability. But I took it in this morning and to be sure there is no more camber adjustment. Questions are, 1) why is there no more camber adjustment and 2) could it be the bushings on the lower arm? 3)Has the frame spread? 4) Are there offset bushings to compensate for this? I hate to loose this rig as it has been boringly reliable, and let's face it- I can't afford to drive anything else.

Any ideas at all are welcome.
bogy.


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] 300TD ALIGNMENT

 

Too much "toe out"??
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[diesel_mercedes] 300TD ALIGNMENT

 

Hey all:

Last year about this time I put 4 brand new Big-O tires on my TD and got it aligned and I began to notice something I had never seen before - inside tire wear on the front tires. Big-O, of course, denies culpability. But I took it in this morning and to be sure there is no more camber adjustment. Questions are, 1) why is there no more camber adjustment and 2) could it be the bushings on the lower arm? 3)Has the frame spread? 4) Are there offset bushings to compensate for this? I hate to loose this rig as it has been boringly reliable, and let's face it- I can't afford to drive anything else.

Any ideas at all are welcome.
bogy.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Brake Master Clyinder

 

Not too far away. My girlfriend does not want to live in the bush off-grid. Max


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:22 AM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Just be careful as many new cheap master cylinders are Chinese made .

Maybe give Rock Auto a look see .

You're selling out ? where will you live ? .

-Nate

      Max wrote :

Arizona has the masters for around $100, do  these seem OK to you? That other place Brain posted was around $300.
PS I'm getting very nervous, I posted a ad on For Sale By Owner .com thinking it would take years to sell my place and we've had a steady stream of people come tru here . Several from Cali tired of hot and too many people. Yikes. Max


 



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Re: [diesel_mercedes] POP Testing Injectors

 

NO, parts cars. Although one would maybe be doable to make a driver again. Everything is still in them. Max


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Do the engines work?


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NE WA. Max


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2 TDs huh? Where are you?

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I still have two TD's that I will have to get rid of real soon. Going for scrap unless someone wants them. Max


On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:03 PM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Sadly , I got stung on the POP testier I bought .

there are a couple of tests you can do with one , primarily you're looking for the injector not beginning to spray before a certain pressure and it spraying out a perfectly even fog of fuel when it does pop .

Many ' rebuilt ' injectors will spray a tiny stream of fuel , this is a bad thing .

Then , you bounce the pressure handle to produce *just* below the desired pop pressure whilst watching the face of the injector for weeps , seeps or dibbles out the tip , this is called ' drooling ' and is waste full of fuel and creates grey / black exhaust smoke .

Many years ago there was a very nice Dentist in Sta. Monica on this very list who made a nice DIY tester out of an old bottle jack and used a belt sander to machine the pressure discs , he was able to get his injectors within 3 # of the pressure spec. ~ the closer they are as a set , the smoother and more powerfully your engine will run .

It is important t use Diesel fuel or similar when POP testing because you're gauging based on a specific viscosity in the liquid fuel .

P-A-P Junkyards have been getting in less and less Diesel Mercedes of any stripe so when you see them , grab what you need ! .

-Nate
       Rob wrote :

There was no MB 123s at the Anaheim PAP on Fri (50% sale), though I did
find some Volvo rims I needed.
Hopefully they don't skim all the MBs, and let a few get to the PAPs
around here.

A little time opened up, so next, replace Subframe bushings, swaybar, &
Diff mount, then injectors (Monarch nozzles w/ pop tester)
Nate, have you used a pop tester before?

My wife's new to us '85 Volvo 240 needs to get the whole suspension kit
I took off our smashed Volvo, as well as other work. The smashed '86
Volvo is still sitting in the driveway, as I'm still pulling parts, and
may look for one with a blown engine and swap.

Rob
'85 300D CA
Garden Grove, CA

 













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[diesel_mercedes] A Grand Repair - Re: Bleeding Brakes And Clutches

 

Well, Sylvia's back on the road - new master cylinder, and new rotors and pads all around.  No fluid in the booster thankfully and thanks to all that replied to my queries! 

Had my friendly local shop do the work instead of the MB diesel masters - difference in shop labor rate is more than $25/hr (~$80/hr vs ~$110/hr) - so I only take it to the specialist when it involves vacuum or hard core diesel specific work. 3.5 hrs labor, parts, cores, fresh DOT 4 fluid throughout and tax brings the job cost to ~$950. Front rotors were warped after 5 years of driving - rear were rusted - which is weird because the calipers are not stuck. Ideas anyone? Pads still bedding in but now stops on a tenth of a Deutschmark.

Not sure how much longer I can afford to keep pouring money into this beast - if I do sell it, whoever gets it will have a lifetime of good parts to pull or a lot less to fix than your average 30 year old, 300k mi 300SD 😃

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[diesel_mercedes] Brake Master Clyinder

 


Just be careful as many new cheap master cylinders are Chinese made .

Maybe give Rock Auto a look see .

You're selling out ? where will you live ? .

-Nate

      Max wrote :

Arizona has the masters for around $100, do  these seem OK to you? That other place Brain posted was around $300.
PS I'm getting very nervous, I posted a ad on For Sale By Owner .com thinking it would take years to sell my place and we've had a steady stream of people come tru here . Several from Cali tired of hot and too many people. Yikes. Max


 

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