Trish wrote
> Now I see moisture on one of the oil cooler lines. *Sigh*
I have seen other rubber reinforced lines "sweat" for whatever reason.
Air conditioning lines, oil cooler lines etc. Unless you actually see
fluid that should be on the inside coming through to the outside I
wouldn't worry too much. If it is actually "oil" on the outside check
to see if it is a drip running down from a fitting. Don't know why
hoses "sweat".
--
Stan George Portland <<
Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture
Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture
Mary (195K) Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:26 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture
How soon do I have to change that? How safe is it to drive? Can these hoses blow like a radiator hose?
--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture
My plans would be altered in a seriously bad way if I tried to make the trip & the line blew. No thanks. Guess I'll look into getting those asap. Hope I can find them local and not have to buy them online.
Those lines failing is the #1 cause of engine failure in these cars. I would change it first but that will alter your plans.
On 5/31/2012 6:26 PM, Trish Dougherty wrote:Now I see moisture on one of the oil cooler lines. *Sigh*
How soon do I have to change that? How safe is it to drive? Can these hoses blow like a radiator hose?
--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture
On 5/31/2012 6:26 PM, Trish Dougherty wrote:
Now I see moisture on one of the oil cooler lines. *Sigh*
How soon do I have to change that? How safe is it to drive? Can these hoses blow like a radiator hose?
--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
[diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture
Now I see moisture on one of the oil cooler lines. *Sigh*
How soon do I have to change that? How safe is it to drive? Can these hoses blow like a radiator hose?
--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
[diesel_mercedes] Re: Rear Main Oil Seal leak
differential housing EH? Wow, anyway, the rear main seal the Arizona auto haus sells is not the slip on rubber type that the front is but the type Mark mentioned. Bummer, but it sure looks that way. But they are cheap, not that it matters. Less than $10. Tony what are you talking about? I need more information, .P.S. Bring your valves down here and roll my hospital bed outside and I will direct you to a adjustment.Max
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Lost but making good time." <aldridgetony97@...> wrote:
>
> Trish, the oil leak is in the differential housing, it always occurs when the bull shaft comes away from the heifer valve, this allows the engine oil to leak down inside the driveshaft. Do not listen to anyone tells you different.
> Tony
>
> PS Nate, when you coming up to do adjust my valves?????
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "max_stemple" <jasperezra@> wrote:
> >
> > Thats what I had heard years about these things. Major job,Max
> >
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Mark in Lakewood, CO" <beeser750@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No way!!
> > >
> > >
> > > There are two steel pins, one each in the engine block and the other in the aluminum bottom engine cover (most call this part the "oil pan") where the seal is located. These pins go about half-way into the two seal halves. They are there specifically to keep the seal from rotating. SO, not only does the transmission and flex plate need to be removed, but this aluminum cover needs to be pulled, and the crank mains loosened to allow the crankshaft to drop enough for the upper seal half to be popped out. AND, the engine must be unbolted from the mounts and lifted up enough to allow the aluminum cover to clear the frame member so as to get access to the mains.
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe not thousands in labor, but, well over $1000, anyway.
> > >
> > >
> > > Believe me, BTDT, shoulda taken photos and posted them so's I could write the book, etc....
> > >
> > >
> > > (And that was on a W116, which has more room than a W123!)
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark in Lakewood, CO
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Trish Dougherty" <purrfectharmonyfarm@>
> > > To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:53:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Rear Main Oil Seal leak
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Nate < vwnate1@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > This shouldn't be a deal breaker , any competent German Car mechanic should be able to pop out the tranny and flex plate then replace the $25.00 seal , button it all back up again .
> > >
> > > I have no idea on the labor but I'd think no more than $250.00 labor .
> > >
> > > Huh really? I'll check around. I imagined it to cost in the thousands. I can always trade food for labor...I know a very trusted mechanic that is willing to barter, or he used (no not Kevin).
> > > Trish Dougherty
> > > PurrFect Harmony Farm
> > > Ennis, TX
> > > http:/ purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
> > >
> >
>
[diesel_mercedes] Re: Rear Main Oil Seal leak
Trish, the oil leak is in the differential housing, it always occurs when the bull shaft comes away from the heifer valve, this allows the engine oil to leak down inside the driveshaft. Do not listen to anyone tells you different.
Tony
PS Nate, when you coming up to do adjust my valves?????
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "max_stemple" <jasperezra@...> wrote:
>
> Thats what I had heard years about these things. Major job,Max
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Mark in Lakewood, CO" <beeser750@> wrote:
> >
> > No way!!
> >
> >
> > There are two steel pins, one each in the engine block and the other in the aluminum bottom engine cover (most call this part the "oil pan") where the seal is located. These pins go about half-way into the two seal halves. They are there specifically to keep the seal from rotating. SO, not only does the transmission and flex plate need to be removed, but this aluminum cover needs to be pulled, and the crank mains loosened to allow the crankshaft to drop enough for the upper seal half to be popped out. AND, the engine must be unbolted from the mounts and lifted up enough to allow the aluminum cover to clear the frame member so as to get access to the mains.
> >
> >
> > Maybe not thousands in labor, but, well over $1000, anyway.
> >
> >
> > Believe me, BTDT, shoulda taken photos and posted them so's I could write the book, etc....
> >
> >
> > (And that was on a W116, which has more room than a W123!)
> >
> >
> > Mark in Lakewood, CO
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Trish Dougherty" <purrfectharmonyfarm@>
> > To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:53:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Rear Main Oil Seal leak
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Nate < vwnate1@ > wrote:
> >
> > This shouldn't be a deal breaker , any competent German Car mechanic should be able to pop out the tranny and flex plate then replace the $25.00 seal , button it all back up again .
> >
> > I have no idea on the labor but I'd think no more than $250.00 labor .
> >
> > Huh really? I'll check around. I imagined it to cost in the thousands. I can always trade food for labor...I know a very trusted mechanic that is willing to barter, or he used (no not Kevin).
> > Trish Dougherty
> > PurrFect Harmony Farm
> > Ennis, TX
> > http:/ purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
> >
>
[diesel_mercedes] Re: Rear Main Oil Seal leak
Thats what I had heard years about these things. Major job,Max
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Mark in Lakewood, CO" <beeser750@...> wrote:
>
> No way!!
>
>
> There are two steel pins, one each in the engine block and the other in the aluminum bottom engine cover (most call this part the "oil pan") where the seal is located. These pins go about half-way into the two seal halves. They are there specifically to keep the seal from rotating. SO, not only does the transmission and flex plate need to be removed, but this aluminum cover needs to be pulled, and the crank mains loosened to allow the crankshaft to drop enough for the upper seal half to be popped out. AND, the engine must be unbolted from the mounts and lifted up enough to allow the aluminum cover to clear the frame member so as to get access to the mains.
>
>
> Maybe not thousands in labor, but, well over $1000, anyway.
>
>
> Believe me, BTDT, shoulda taken photos and posted them so's I could write the book, etc....
>
>
> (And that was on a W116, which has more room than a W123!)
>
>
> Mark in Lakewood, CO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Trish Dougherty" <purrfectharmonyfarm@...>
> To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:53:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Rear Main Oil Seal leak
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Nate < vwnate1@... > wrote:
>
> This shouldn't be a deal breaker , any competent German Car mechanic should be able to pop out the tranny and flex plate then replace the $25.00 seal , button it all back up again .
>
> I have no idea on the labor but I'd think no more than $250.00 labor .
>
> Huh really? I'll check around. I imagined it to cost in the thousands. I can always trade food for labor...I know a very trusted mechanic that is willing to barter, or he used (no not Kevin).
> Trish Dougherty
> PurrFect Harmony Farm
> Ennis, TX
> http:/ purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
>
Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: 83;; 300 SD engine miss
Mary (195K) Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: Roland Hyatt <wrolandhyattjr@sbcglobal.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:02 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: 83;; 300 SD engine miss
There's some confusion about Startron. It seems there are 2 versions.
There is the Starbrite enzyme fuel treatment and a tank cleaner from
Amazon and another, much more expensive that I bought at NAPA. To which
one are you referring? There is a Startron and a Soltron. There is a
lot of flap about which is which and whether or not they are the same
thing - all having to do with licensing, etc.. I didn't do enough
research to get an answer. I don't know????
Roland Hyatt
[diesel_mercedes] Re: 83;; 300 SD engine miss
Nate:
There's some confusion about Startron. It seems there are 2 versions.
There is the Starbrite enzyme fuel treatment and a tank cleaner from
Amazon and another, much more expensive that I bought at NAPA. To which
one are you referring? There is a Startron and a Soltron. There is a
lot of flap about which is which and whether or not they are the same
thing - all having to do with licensing, etc.. I didn't do enough
research to get an answer. I don't know????
Roland Hyatt
[diesel_mercedes] Re: 83;; 300 SD engine miss
Thanks Nate, I have one more courisity question. There is a line that forms a venturi ,or it gets fat in the center , off of the filter area. I asume if it forms a venturi on the outside, it is the same on the inside, meaning it changes or controls some fuel presure. But I have noticed a bit of softening in it, squesing with my fingers. How critical is the shape of this line in presure control ?
It is best to supervise your son adjusting the valves as it's easy to damage things in there .
(((((((( Funny you say that, he has a repuation of being pure gold with a few local farmers, repairing equipement, but unlike dear old dad, they never observed him on delicate stuff. On the other hand , I will be gratefull to have a son who can and will do it.))))))))))))))
The Startron and growth makes excelent sence to me. Invariable, those of us who run home brew, will have errors. I have a wooden yard stick I use to stir methoxcide, the methanole and KOH mix. It will be dry as a bone, but let humidity get in the air and it gets wet as a spung. I also notice, water accumulation in any plastic or metal container , that I do not wash, that contained meth oxcide. so it makes sence that a less than prefect fuel home brew would create conditions for growing bacteria, after a few years.
Just general comment here, this class of car has become very adicitive to us, meaning the ride and the way it drives and handles. We live rural and some very rought roads, but it has not developed rattles and such that newer cars seem to develope in a year. I have been pleased that some things, starter as an example are easily available through local parts house. Other things like the instrument cluster, iI had to replace, ethier outragiously expensive or hard to find in a junk yard, plus drive 70 to 100 miles to get it.
I often think, if I would have bought one of these,before the hit 100,000 miles, not let anyone drive it other than myself and wife, kept it on a periodic maintance program; one would last for a persons entire life . In my opinion, a younger person who bought one of these today, and spent $12,000 to $15,000 on a complete professional, no corners cut, rebuild and paint and interior as neded, would get much more for their money, vice buying a brand new car. But that is my opinion. Bill C
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> VALVE ADJUST ~ this is _ALWAYS_ the first step .
>
> As long as there's crud in the intake fuel screen , I'd be adding 3Oz. of STARTRON and nothing else (The salesman will insist his crap is better , it's NOT) .
>
> Water etches the IP but it blows the tips out of the injector nozzles causing right running and black smoking .
>
> It is best to supervise your son adjusting the valves as it's easy to damage things in there .
>
> -Nate
Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Jobs & Old Cars
You are right Nate. I am a survivor. I always land on my feet. I am like the Phoenix that burns up in it's own flames only to rebuild from the ashes.....enough? :) The people that know me know I WILL reach my goals even if they sound crazy! :)
Oh I'll find something. I was just frustrated. The second interview I went on for this snotty restaurant really irritated me when the owners brother came over to interview me , nearly knocking me out with the booze on his breath and drunk at 2pm. Then I was told by the GM that I had met a few days earlier that "We got our wires crossed" and he dismissed me seconds later. I'm not sure exactly what he meant by that, except that he must have already made his choice before I made the 45 min drive back up there. Phooey on them. I have a hard time taking anyone serious that would dump $100 for a "cheap" meal for two. The meals up there usually run in the $300 range for two for dinner. That's just stupid IMO. It's a hunk of dead cow on your plate! However I'd be happy to serve you and take that 20% tip.
I regretted sending that last one as soon as I hit send...you know how that goes. Just venting today. Being off work is OK for a while. But I've always worked 2 jobs even when I had that six figure income. Not greed. I love being busy. I also love being able to pay my bills on time, buy toothpaste when I need it, or splurge on a hot fudge sundae. Kevin went to the movies the other night and I thought "Good!" (Now I don't have to suffer through that movie at home!) I can't remember the last time either of us went OUT to the movies. The universe doesn't like a vacuum we can't just work, work, work. There has to be some fun in there too.
Things really are great. I drive a Mercedes! I am super healthy. I love it when Kevin who is 2 yrs 2 weeks younger gets asked "So how much younger is your wife than you?" Or "Really? She just turned 51? I thought she was in her early thirties!" Not that I care what I look like to others, it's just cool to have proof that what I am doing to take care of myself works! I have loads of love in my life. I have a roof over my head, even though the tax office is trying to tell me it's worth far more than what it is..can't wait to show them the 50 or so pictures I've taken.
Hang in there Trish ;
Out parents made it through this sort of deep depression too , I view you as a survivor like me .
-Nate
-- '81 300SD
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
[diesel_mercedes] Re: 83;; 300 SD engine miss
VALVE ADJUST ~ this is _ALWAYS_ the first step .
As long as there's crud in the intake fuel screen , I'd be adding 3Oz. of STARTRON and nothing else (The salesman will insist his crap is better , it's NOT) .
Water etches the IP but it blows the tips out of the injector nozzles causing right running and black smoking .
It is best to supervise your son adjusting the valves as it's easy to damage things in there .
-Nate
Bill wrote:
>
> I have an 83 300sd, for about 3 years. Right after I got it, I put on a timing chain, adjusted the valves, and timed the pump. I alao repalced the fuel tank; reason for changing, it had diesel secrets fuel ran in it, and the fellow had fueled it with one batch, that had some hardern to the consistance of plastic, and changing the tank proved easier than cleaning the tank. Since then it has ran on bio diesel B 100, except for cold months, B 80. and no problems, other han glow plugs, and flex pipe between exhaust manifold and exhaust pipe.
> In recent history it will crank up rought, resembling bad glow plugs or fuel starvation, But unlike glow plugs, the cylinders do not start firing in a few minutes. On fuel starvation, fuel flows freely, when the plastic pre filter is removed . I did have some black stuff in the pre filter, reminding me of a deterioating fuel line . I replaced the fuel line on both sides of the filter, as they where starting to deterioate, due to bio diesel.
> It appears no one cylinder is missing continiously, but at random. After a bit all cylinders will start hitting. measuring the length of time it takes for it to start running smoothly on all cylinders. Milage wise, I thought at first trying that, but it varies from 6 to 10 miles. Then I noticed the temperature. It seems to smooth out after it gets to 80 C on the temperature guage.Or temperature is the one consistant factor that seems to determine when it will start running smootly on all 5 cylinders.
> Due to it seemly missing at random on different cylinders, I rule out cylinder compression. Plus it fires up almost instanly, the enginge is spinning.
> With the temperature indication, I am thinking valve adjustment. My reasoning fot this line of thinking is they are adjusted cold, not hot, if I remember correctly. If I am thinking correctl;y, that would cause a clearance difference on them between hot and cold. Can anyone familure with this confirm or dis confirm my thinking on this.
> My only other thought would be pump timig, but I can not see how engine heat and medal temperatures would effect pump timing, the same as it would on valve clearance . Although metal wear over time might effect both of them. Again anyone with expierence , thoughts on this.
> This is our main driver, so I do need to resolve it. I am no longer able to do much of this work myself, but my son is going to adjust valves and pump this week end, I hope.
> And although the mercedes from this era is very forgiving in bio diesel sins, I did have a spree for about two months, where I was not getting the best fuel possible, or I was screwing up.Too much soap possibly being left in the fuel. Soap of course means KOH, not always washing out clean, which also means some water left in. I understand this could etch and foul injectots up. I do not know how it would effect the pump. My fear of course, is did I push my luck too far in this area. Or was the forgiving engine, not as forgiving as I thought it was.
> As stated valve adjustment and pump timing are my next step, but are there any other areas I could be over looking, to find the reason for this miss. Bill C
>
[diesel_mercedes] Re: Day / Night AC
Sounds right and yes , I have the " Mity-Vac' tool but I'm no longer interested (able) to go digging into the dashboard....
i'll prolly address it if it dies completely .
I've still not fixed the blinking & beeping GPL on SWMBO's 300TD , it'd drive me batshyte but she's only worried about the no horn issue .
Pressure washing gets water into the electrics , another problem I never have .
-Nate
Rob wrote:
>
> Yes, the vacuum actuator under the dashboard. Sometimes one leaks so bad
> that the rest don't work right.
>
> I'm not an avid car washer, only when I can't stand it anymore. Now my
> wife wants her car washed....
> My BMW M/C mechanic said that many M/C owners get water into areas of
> the bike you don't want water, by washing the bike all the time, though
> I don't have that problem.
>
> Rob
> '85 300D
> Garden Grove, CA
> ===
>
>
[diesel_mercedes] Re : Jobs & Old Cars
Hang in there Trish ;
Out parents made it through this sort of deep depression too , I view you as a survivor like me .
-Nate
Trish wrote:
>
> Bobby
>
> This car has been on a lift 2x and examined by a competent mechanic.
>
> I'm confused as to why people seem to think I don't know where the leak
> is.
>
> I KNOW WHERE IT IS. I know for a fact that IT IS THE MAIN SEAL.
>
> For now all I can do is watch the dip stick and keep putting oil in when
> needed.
>
> When you lose everything, six figure career, house, loved ones (dog & dad
> died that year), car was totaled, lost a breast & had no insurance, all in
> a year, it knocks you off of your feet for a LOT longer than you may
> expect. We're still reeling from the hit. I'm going on interview after
> interview. I'm BEGGING for a waitressing job and either not getting an
> interview or not landing the job. Office jobs aren't much easier to come
> by around here. My unemployment got cut in half, so now they think I can
> live on less than $200 a week. Kevin works for a church camp which means
> low pay, but at least he has excellent benefits, for HIM, not me. Things
> WILL turn around. I did not like the snarky comment I got from the SBA
> when I met with them and said "I want to be a billionaire". If he wants to
> be one too, then do it! I am fiercely determined and ambitious.
>
> We do not have access to the shop where Kevin works until the fall, nor
> does he have the time or desire to do any more major work on this car.
> He'll do the brakes when I get them, that can be done right here at home on
> the gravel driveway. I will drive this car until I can get another MB or
> this one falls apart around me which ever happens first. Then I will part
> this car out.
>
>
>
>
>