Re: [diesel_mercedes] Lower oil cooler line

 

Trish, 
 
    Remember a little while ago, I said take a breath and regain composure?  This is what happens when you do that.  Oil leaking from one of the oil cooler lines can flow backward and appear to be coming from any number of places. 
 
    Be greatful that it isn't the rear seal. 
 
    My 300SD got one of its oil cooler lines cut, while I was on a road trip.  YUCKY.  But not fatal. 
 
    There are a couple of things to deal with here: 
 
1)    Figure out how the line got slit.  It is POSSIBLE that it just aged out.  But before concluding that, make sure that you have considered as many alternative possiblilities as you can.  You don't want a repeat of this. 
 
2)    See if you can do a temporary patch until you can replace the hose.  On mine, out on the freeway several hundred miles from home, I fashioned a patch with a piece of rubber gasket material, held in place by a hose clamp.  Since I use synthetic oil, the patch wanted to slide away every time I tried to tighten the hose clamp.  I probably worked at it for more than an hour.  But finally got it clamped in position over the sliced spot.  (Mine got sliced from contact with the power steering pulley - don't ask how I got it out of position to let that happen!) 
 
2.a)    You might try wrapping it with "emergency repair tape".  There's stuff, I can't recall its brand name (Miracle Tape, or something), that is self adhesive tape made of plastic.  It gets used in the film industry for all sorts of emergency repairs on hoses and pipes and cables.  Clean the surface and wrap the tape starting inches away from the slit, going over the slit and on for inches.  Then double back on itself for a couple of layers.  Single layer is supposed to hold 900 lbs of pressure.  Once on, it NEVER comes off. 
 
3)    Replace the hose when you can.  There is one EXTREMELY important part of this operation.  The two oil cooler hoses (one feed, one return) go down on the lower left side of the engine, where they are held to the engine, near the engine mount, by a simple bracket.   
 
    The bracket is ESSENTIAL.  Do not skip it.  Do not lose it.  Do not leave the hoses without it, thinking, "I'll get back to is someday".  The bracket keeps the hoses from beating themselves to death with engine vibration.  If the previous owner left the bracket off, that's your problem.  Go to the junk yard, or call Tom Hansen at the Classics Center and get the bracket before you do the job.  The bracket is held on by a single bolt, if I recall. 
 
    To replace the hoses or either of them, you MUST raise the engine off of the left side motor mount.  When you get the new hose, you will discover that it has metal sections and rubber sections.  You MUST keep it in the shape that it comes in - DO NOT bend the metal sections. 
 
    Even if you could bend the metal sections, you couldn't fit the hose in place without lifting the engine off of the motor mount.  This is an indication that the Benz engineers saw this as a low wear part, never intending it to be replaced, except in the case of accidental damage. 
 
    Lifting the engine is NOT such a big deal (remember to unbolt the motor mount and the damping shock absorber FIRST.  It may sound intimidating, but it really isn't so bad. 
 
    DO NOT DO THIS JOB unless the car is up on jack stands on a very solid surface (not gravel, sand, dirt or grass). 
 
    This IS something that you can do in your garage or driveway, but will be easier if you can put the car on a lift.  Once you get a good look at the hose routing, and a good view from underneath, you will see that it is actually pretty straightforward. 
 
    IF you can't find a cause for the failure, then assume that the hose "aged out" and split.  THEN assume that the other hose is the same age and maybe the same condition.  Since you don't want to do this job twice, get both hoses and replace them at  the same time. 
 
Cordially, 
Tom
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2012 10:25:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com writes:
 

Yep that's what it is.  Kevin climbed under there, wiped everything down, started it up and watched it leak.  Big slit in it. 

Ordered a new one from AutohauzAZ, the best price we found via a massive search.  Free shipping too!  Hopefully it'll ship today.  When I can afford it I'll get the upper hose. The brakes are next.  A/C?????  Oh well.  It's been 4 yrs, what's one more blistering summer in N TX without?  At least I have it in the house!

-- '81 300SD
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Lower oil cooler line

 

Do a search on installation. I read a "how to" once upon a time, and as I recall it was a PIA.
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's

From: Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 10:24 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Lower oil cooler line

 
Yep that's what it is.  Kevin climbed under there, wiped everything down, started it up and watched it leak.  Big slit in it. 

Ordered a new one from AutohauzAZ, the best price we found via a massive search.  Free shipping too!  Hopefully it'll ship today.  When I can afford it I'll get the upper hose. The brakes are next.  A/C?????  Oh well.  It's been 4 yrs, what's one more blistering summer in N TX without?  At least I have it in the house!

-- '81 300SD
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com



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[diesel_mercedes] Lower oil cooler line

 

Yep that's what it is.  Kevin climbed under there, wiped everything down, started it up and watched it leak.  Big slit in it. 

Ordered a new one from AutohauzAZ, the best price we found via a massive search.  Free shipping too!  Hopefully it'll ship today.  When I can afford it I'll get the upper hose. The brakes are next.  A/C?????  Oh well.  It's been 4 yrs, what's one more blistering summer in N TX without?  At least I have it in the house!

-- '81 300SD
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture

 

Kevin's gonna check to see if it's loose at the connection. 

It is oil. 

It could explain my sudden jump in oil consumption. I had it under control, down from 5qts every 100 miles, to 2 qts every 200 or more miles. 

Last week I was getting ready for interviews in downtown Dallas, so I checked the oil, then warmed the car up and checked the trans fluid.  That's the first time I saw the "moisture".  When I got home I checked all fluids and that line, nothing. Wasn't even sure which line I saw it on earlier in the day!  Forgot about it until yesterday.



On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Stan George <ssgkag@frontier.com> wrote:
 

Trish wrote
> Now I see moisture on one of the oil cooler lines. *Sigh*

I have seen other rubber reinforced lines "sweat" for whatever reason.
Air conditioning lines, oil cooler lines etc. Unless you actually see
fluid that should be on the inside coming through to the outside I
wouldn't worry too much. If it is actually "oil" on the outside check
to see if it is a drip running down from a fitting. Don't know why
hoses "sweat".

--
Stan George Portland <<




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Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture

 

Taking it all in stride. 

It's oil.  I did take pics.  I'll get them off the phone and post in a bit. 



On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:28 PM, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Take a deep breath and count to 25 slowly. Oil cooler lines blowing? Never seen it yet. What kind of condensation? Water, oil, trans fluid, dog pee?  You have a good camera. Crawl under and post some good pictures of what you are talking about.
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's




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Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com

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Re: [diesel_mercedes]Re: 83;; 300 SD engine miss

 

It looks like Star Brite is the larger company that makes Star Tron, as
the Star Brite site's catalog has Star Tron additive and Tank cleaner.

Soltron seems to be something similar, yet we've been using Star Tron
and discussing it here for years.

Rob
'85 300D
Garden Grove, CA
==

On 6/1/12 3:42 AM, diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Re: 83;; 300 SD engine miss
> Posted by: "Roland Hyatt"wrolandhyattjr@sbcglobal.net wrolandhyattjr
> Date: Thu May 31, 2012 8:02 am ((PDT))
>
> Nate:
>
> There's some confusion about Startron. It seems there are 2 versions.
> There is the Starbrite enzyme fuel treatment and a tank cleaner from
> Amazon and another, much more expensive that I bought at NAPA. To which
> one are you referring? There is a Startron and a Soltron. There is a
> lot of flap about which is which and whether or not they are the same
> thing - all having to do with licensing, etc.. I didn't do enough
> research to get an answer. I don't know????
>
> Roland Hyatt
>

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[diesel_mercedes] almost pulled the trigger

 

saw an ad on craigslist for an 82 300sd wanted $4500, WHAT!!!
Turns out it had a new engine put in 80000 miles ago. Dealer forgot to put cap on. Dealer put in new engine. But I thought about it and decided I have never had a problem with the engines, just all the other parts, and all the other parts on the car make it only worth maybe 1500-2000. So I passed on it.

But putting 128 miles a day on my car, I know I will eventually have to replace it.

Chuck

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture

 

take a paper towel, wipe the moisture, and see if it is water, antifreeze, or oil (black). Water, take a seat and have a cold one, enjoy the weather. probably just from the rain we had. Or that wonderful humid air the Gulf sends us. if oil, see if it is leaking with the engine running under pressure.

chuck
84 300sd

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Stan George <ssgkag@...> wrote:
>
> Trish wrote
> > Now I see moisture on one of the oil cooler lines. *Sigh*
>
> I have seen other rubber reinforced lines "sweat" for whatever reason.
> Air conditioning lines, oil cooler lines etc. Unless you actually see
> fluid that should be on the inside coming through to the outside I
> wouldn't worry too much. If it is actually "oil" on the outside check
> to see if it is a drip running down from a fitting. Don't know why
> hoses "sweat".
>
>
> --
> Stan George Portland <<
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture

 

Ken Bergsma on YouTube shows how to replace the gasket under the oil filter to stop oil leaks.  I have ask my mechanic if he could do it.  He told me that he would have to remove the oil line to the oil cooler.  That line brakes, 99% of the time when removing the oil filter housing causing the purchase of a new radiator and oil line.
Do any of you folks know if you can just add an after market oil cooler if it brakes?  Where can you install it?
   
Boyd
From: Stan George <ssgkag@frontier.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: WAS: Rear Main Oil Seal leak NOW: Oil Cooler Line moisture

 
Trish wrote
> Now I see moisture on one of the oil cooler lines. *Sigh*

I have seen other rubber reinforced lines "sweat" for whatever reason.
Air conditioning lines, oil cooler lines etc. Unless you actually see
fluid that should be on the inside coming through to the outside I
wouldn't worry too much. If it is actually "oil" on the outside check
to see if it is a drip running down from a fitting. Don't know why
hoses "sweat".

--
Stan George Portland <<


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