[diesel_mercedes] High altitude and Naturally Aspirated Diesels?

 

I really want to get a W115 Diesel. Up here in Colorado, there aren't many W123's around, let alone W115's. How would a NA Diesel run up here at 5000FT altitude? The '77 240D was quite slow even at sea level, nothing else with which to compare it to know if it was running as it should.  I know that Mark in Lakewood will have something to say on this one.
 
Kevin in LaPorte, CO

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I had a 285 degree conversoin
 
Tennessee Nate
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Nate,

Mixes destroy diesels.

What works is to make minor changes to the car - usually called converting - which, if done correctly and if operated properly - does work.
You were lucky - you caught that the mix was about to destroy your engine before it did.  Many people did not and lost their engine to the mix.

Here's hoping you caught it in time.

Bobby 
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Yahoo! Member Service <tccservice111@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
on my w126 I never went under 50% truthfully.Still I had problems with blow by,now diesel for 2 years blow is less than on wvo.But I keep 100 gals of WMO on had to mix at 50% in case dino goes up. 347,000 miles,30 on wvo mix,34 on atf mix.
 
Tennessee Nate
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I love our dedicated greasers, and I love our guys who run at the pump. May each group have a great 2013.  Query - I get 25mpg as average on my dino fuel cars, what do you greasers get in your w123's?

 
brian from laverne, caMary (195K)  Martha (280K)1983 w123 300d's
From: diyernh <diyernh@comcast.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Why Not Grease car ?
 
Nate, Not really trying to debate this, but, using your logic, if we never use grease in a car, it will never end up in the junk yard? You may be looking at a secondary result of the ownership.  Most likely frugal (cheap) people use grease, people with more income/willing to spend it don't?  I'm definitely in the frugal group, I have run WVO for probably 7-10 years.  But the first mercedes that may be scrapped is the one that never ran on WVO. I have a 300D that the temperature sensor wasn't working (5$ item).  It was okay for me to drive for years as I check the fluids and know the car.  I recently had several issues that removed my other 2 cars off the road.  My daughter and wife started driving the 300D.  The radiator overheated, melted the cooling hoses, melted the injector return hoses.  Finally, they parked it after a week of abuse saying they didn't feel safe driving it with all of the smoke. Yeah, If I win the lottery, I probably would have the mechanic fix things a little quicker.  But at least I am now assured that the 300D will never die as I have not converted it to grease.  ;^) My grease car has two tanks.  Use the proper fuel for the proper use. Carl On 1/4/2013 10:52 AM, Nate wrote:
 
You answered the question the same as I ~ " you can't use it as a town car " . 90 + % of vehicle usage is In Town Driving and that's why almost _ALL_ grease cars wind up in Pick-A-Part where we scavange the good bits... " free fuel " ISA LIE . It appears I have missed a few messages , sorry . -Nate Lawrence wrote : > > Why not! I've been doing it for 8 years. My first car a 77 240D went over 100k > and ran better when I sold it than when I bought it. It was always a slug. But > could do 65 or 70 on the road. Make it over the grapevine to San Diego from San > Francisco and Make it to Seattle on one trunk of fuel. 72 gallons. That's 10 5 > gallon cubes and tilting the car sideways I could get 22 gallons into the tank. > You can't use the car as a town car anymore. Minimum of 10 miles per trip. > Line heaters or a veg therm in line to heat the fuel is mandatory although I've > seen some just use a vormax or coolant heat. So yes they do smoke but since > these cars only cost a couple of thousand each if I blow one up (which I never > did) who cares. Very cost effective. I do have to say I lost one 300Turbo to a > loud knocking in the motor & I lost a 6.2 Suburban to a connecting rod going > through the case. This is over an 8 year period. The Suburban is still > running. With an engine replacement. A bunch of kids drove it to San Diego from > San Francisco and back and it's just being used by one of them. Lawrence Rhodes >

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] 300cd

 

beautiful

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Subject: [diesel_mercedes] 300cd
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Date: Friday, January 4, 2013, 2:09 PM

1983 Mercedes-Benz 300CD (Coupe Diesel) - All Records - Single Family - $12900 (Central TX)  178000 repainted.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/sdf/cto/3439140041.html

If I give the fusion to swmbo, sell the 300sd, maybe I could live with this one.  VBG

(Nate (calif)are you selling cars in Texas now?)

Chuck
84 300sd

P.S.  I would offer 10 for it.





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Nate,


Mixes destroy diesels.

What works is to make minor changes to the car - usually called converting - which, if done correctly and if operated properly - does work.

You were lucky - you caught that the mix was about to destroy your engine before it did.  Many people did not and lost their engine to the mix.

Here's hoping you caught it in time.

Bobby 

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Yahoo! Member Service <tccservice111@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

on my w126 I never went under 50% truthfully.Still I had problems with blow by,now diesel for 2 years blow is less than on wvo.But I keep 100 gals of WMO on had to mix at 50% in case dino goes up. 347,000 miles,30 on wvo mix,34 on atf mix.
 
Tennessee Nate
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Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Why Not Grease car ?
 
I love our dedicated greasers, and I love our guys who run at the pump. May each group have a great 2013.  Query - I get 25mpg as average on my dino fuel cars, what do you greasers get in your w123's?

 
brian from laverne, caMary (195K)  Martha (280K)1983 w123 300d's
From: diyernh <diyernh@comcast.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Why Not Grease car ?
 
Nate, Not really trying to debate this, but, using your logic, if we never use grease in a car, it will never end up in the junk yard? You may be looking at a secondary result of the ownership.  Most likely frugal (cheap) people use grease, people with more income/willing to spend it don't?  I'm definitely in the frugal group, I have run WVO for probably 7-10 years.  But the first mercedes that may be scrapped is the one that never ran on WVO. I have a 300D that the temperature sensor wasn't working (5$ item).  It was okay for me to drive for years as I check the fluids and know the car.  I recently had several issues that removed my other 2 cars off the road.  My daughter and wife started driving the 300D.  The radiator overheated, melted the cooling hoses, melted the injector return hoses.  Finally, they parked it after a week of abuse saying they didn't feel safe driving it with all of the smoke. Yeah, If I win the lottery, I probably would have the mechanic fix things a little quicker.  But at least I am now assured that the 300D will never die as I have not converted it to grease.  ;^) My grease car has two tanks.  Use the proper fuel for the proper use. Carl On 1/4/2013 10:52 AM, Nate wrote:
 
You answered the question the same as I ~ " you can't use it as a town car " . 90 + % of vehicle usage is In Town Driving and that's why almost _ALL_ grease cars wind up in Pick-A-Part where we scavange the good bits... " free fuel " ISA LIE . It appears I have missed a few messages , sorry . -Nate Lawrence wrote : > > Why not! I've been doing it for 8 years. My first car a 77 240D went over 100k > and ran better when I sold it than when I bought it. It was always a slug. But > could do 65 or 70 on the road. Make it over the grapevine to San Diego from San > Francisco and Make it to Seattle on one trunk of fuel. 72 gallons. That's 10 5 > gallon cubes and tilting the car sideways I could get 22 gallons into the tank. > You can't use the car as a town car anymore. Minimum of 10 miles per trip. > Line heaters or a veg therm in line to heat the fuel is mandatory although I've > seen some just use a vormax or coolant heat. So yes they do smoke but since > these cars only cost a couple of thousand each if I blow one up (which I never > did) who cares. Very cost effective. I do have to say I lost one 300Turbo to a > loud knocking in the motor & I lost a 6.2 Suburban to a connecting rod going > through the case. This is over an 8 year period. The Suburban is still > running. With an engine replacement. A bunch of kids drove it to San Diego from > San Francisco and back and it's just being used by one of them. Lawrence Rhodes >




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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : my fuel froze this morning

 

Just one piece of info: wind chill factors do not affect car temps. WCF is another term for forced convection. If a human is 98F, the added wind cools them faster. If a car is 1F, no amount of wind will get the car colder than the actual air temp

It may seem colder near water, but that's usually the WCF. The ocean breezes actually heat the air with the water. The coldest air is usually where there is no open water.


Carl

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Here is near Newport, RI. I'm near the coast, so the wind off the water can get brutal in the winter. Used to leave my 300d at the train station all week and it would always fire right up when I got back on Friday night, usually around midnight. With 1 digit temperatures and chill factors well below zero that is good. Even some of the much newer gassers of all makes had more problems than I did.

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> Where is "here"?
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> We've had similar temps around the Denver area,

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Here is near Newport, RI. I'm near the coast, so the wind off the water can get brutal in the winter. Used to leave my 300d at the train station all week and it would always fire right up when I got back on Friday night, usually around midnight. With 1 digit temperatures and chill factors well below zero that is good. Even some of the much newer gassers of all makes had more problems than I did.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Why Not Grease car ?

 

I don't know my mileage, I was thinking it was over 20MPG.  My odometer hasn't worked since I bought the car.  I believe there are published BTU's per gallon specs that grease has less energy than diesel.

Efficiency is only measured on the right side of Hubbert's Peak.  Over the past decade, grease was free.  The only things that I measured was how much work was it to prepare it (labor costs). 

Things are changing as the grease becomes scarce.  I've seen many people abandon it.
Carl


On 1/5/2013 9:19 AM, BStromsoe wrote:

 
I love our dedicated greasers, and I love our guys who run at the pump. May each group have a great 2013.  Query - I get 25mpg as average on my dino fuel cars, what do you greasers get in your w123's?

 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
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I get 25 on my 82 123 using pump and 22 when I am running wvo.
 
Boyd

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Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Why Not Grease car ?
 
I love our dedicated greasers, and I love our guys who run at the pump. May each group have a great 2013.  Query - I get 25mpg as average on my dino fuel cars, what do you greasers get in your w123's?

 
brian from laverne, caMary (195K)  Martha (280K)1983 w123 300d's
From: diyernh <diyernh@comcast.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Why Not Grease car ?
 
Nate, Not really trying to debate this, but, using your logic, if we never use grease in a car, it will never end up in the junk yard? You may be looking at a secondary result of the ownership.  Most likely frugal (cheap) people use grease, people with more income/willing to spend it don't?  I'm definitely in the frugal group, I have run WVO for probably 7-10 years.  But the first mercedes that may be scrapped is the one that never ran on WVO. I have a 300D that the temperature sensor wasn't working (5$ item).  It was okay for me to drive for years as I check the fluids and know the car.  I recently had several issues that removed my other 2 cars off the road.  My daughter and wife started driving the 300D.  The radiator overheated, melted the cooling hoses, melted the injector return hoses.  Finally, they parked it after a week of abuse saying they didn't feel safe driving it with all of the smoke. Yeah, If I win the lottery, I probably would have the mechanic fix things a little quicker.  But at least I am now assured that the 300D will never die as I have not converted it to grease.  ;^) My grease car has two tanks.  Use the proper fuel for the proper use. Carl On 1/4/2013 10:52 AM, Nate wrote:
 
You answered the question the same as I ~ " you can't use it as a town car " . 90 + % of vehicle usage is In Town Driving and that's why almost _ALL_ grease cars wind up in Pick-A-Part where we scavange the good bits... " free fuel " ISA LIE . It appears I have missed a few messages , sorry . -Nate Lawrence wrote : > > Why not! I've been doing it for 8 years. My first car a 77 240D went over 100k > and ran better when I sold it than when I bought it. It was always a slug. But > could do 65 or 70 on the road. Make it over the grapevine to San Diego from San > Francisco and Make it to Seattle on one trunk of fuel. 72 gallons. That's 10 5 > gallon cubes and tilting the car sideways I could get 22 gallons into the tank. > You can't use the car as a town car anymore. Minimum of 10 miles per trip. > Line heaters or a veg therm in line to heat the fuel is mandatory although I've > seen some just use a vormax or coolant heat. So yes they do smoke but since > these cars only cost a couple of thousand each if I blow one up (which I never > did) who cares. Very cost effective. I do have to say I lost one 300Turbo to a > loud knocking in the motor & I lost a 6.2 Suburban to a connecting rod going > through the case. This is over an 8 year period. The Suburban is still > running. With an engine replacement. A bunch of kids drove it to San Diego from > San Francisco and back and it's just being used by one of them. Lawrence Rhodes >

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on my w126 I never went under 50% truthfully.Still I had problems with blow by,now diesel for 2 years blow is less than on wvo.But I keep 100 gals of WMO on had to mix at 50% in case dino goes up. 347,000 miles,30 on wvo mix,34 on atf mix.
 
Tennessee Nate
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Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Why Not Grease car ?
 
I love our dedicated greasers, and I love our guys who run at the pump. May each group have a great 2013.  Query - I get 25mpg as average on my dino fuel cars, what do you greasers get in your w123's?

 
brian from laverne, caMary (195K)  Martha (280K)1983 w123 300d's
From: diyernh <diyernh@comcast.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Why Not Grease car ?
 
Nate, Not really trying to debate this, but, using your logic, if we never use grease in a car, it will never end up in the junk yard? You may be looking at a secondary result of the ownership.  Most likely frugal (cheap) people use grease, people with more income/willing to spend it don't?  I'm definitely in the frugal group, I have run WVO for probably 7-10 years.  But the first mercedes that may be scrapped is the one that never ran on WVO. I have a 300D that the temperature sensor wasn't working (5$ item).  It was okay for me to drive for years as I check the fluids and know the car.  I recently had several issues that removed my other 2 cars off the road.  My daughter and wife started driving the 300D.  The radiator overheated, melted the cooling hoses, melted the injector return hoses.  Finally, they parked it after a week of abuse saying they didn't feel safe driving it with all of the smoke. Yeah, If I win the lottery, I probably would have the mechanic fix things a little quicker.  But at least I am now assured that the 300D will never die as I have not converted it to grease.  ;^) My grease car has two tanks.  Use the proper fuel for the proper use. Carl On 1/4/2013 10:52 AM, Nate wrote:
 
You answered the question the same as I ~ " you can't use it as a town car " . 90 + % of vehicle usage is In Town Driving and that's why almost _ALL_ grease cars wind up in Pick-A-Part where we scavange the good bits... " free fuel " ISA LIE . It appears I have missed a few messages , sorry . -Nate Lawrence wrote : > > Why not! I've been doing it for 8 years. My first car a 77 240D went over 100k > and ran better when I sold it than when I bought it. It was always a slug. But > could do 65 or 70 on the road. Make it over the grapevine to San Diego from San > Francisco and Make it to Seattle on one trunk of fuel. 72 gallons. That's 10 5 > gallon cubes and tilting the car sideways I could get 22 gallons into the tank. > You can't use the car as a town car anymore. Minimum of 10 miles per trip. > Line heaters or a veg therm in line to heat the fuel is mandatory although I've > seen some just use a vormax or coolant heat. So yes they do smoke but since > these cars only cost a couple of thousand each if I blow one up (which I never > did) who cares. Very cost effective. I do have to say I lost one 300Turbo to a > loud knocking in the motor & I lost a 6.2 Suburban to a connecting rod going > through the case. This is over an 8 year period. The Suburban is still > running. With an engine replacement. A bunch of kids drove it to San Diego from > San Francisco and back and it's just being used by one of them. Lawrence Rhodes >

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I love our dedicated greasers, and I love our guys who run at the pump. May each group have a great 2013.  Query - I get 25mpg as average on my dino fuel cars, what do you greasers get in your w123's?

 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: diyernh <diyernh@comcast.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Why Not Grease car ?

 
Nate,

Not really trying to debate this, but, using your logic, if we never use grease in a car, it will never end up in the junk yard?

You may be looking at a secondary result of the ownership.  Most likely frugal (cheap) people use grease, people with more income/willing to spend it don't?  I'm definitely in the frugal group, I have run WVO for probably 7-10 years.  But the first mercedes that may be scrapped is the one that never ran on WVO.

I have a 300D that the temperature sensor wasn't working (5$ item).  It was okay for me to drive for years as I check the fluids and know the car.  I recently had several issues that removed my other 2 cars off the road.  My daughter and wife started driving the 300D.  The radiator overheated, melted the cooling hoses, melted the injector return hoses.  Finally, they parked it after a week of abuse saying they didn't feel safe driving it with all of the smoke.

Yeah, If I win the lottery, I probably would have the mechanic fix things a little quicker.  But at least I am now assured that the 300D will never die as I have not converted it to grease.  ;^)

My grease car has two tanks.  Use the proper fuel for the proper use.

Carl




On 1/4/2013 10:52 AM, Nate wrote:
 

You answered the question the same as I ~ " you can't use it as a town car " .

90 + % of vehicle usage is In Town Driving and that's why almost _ALL_
grease cars wind up in Pick-A-Part where we scavange the good bits...

" free fuel " ISA LIE .

It appears I have missed a few messages , sorry .

-Nate
Lawrence wrote :
>
> Why not! I've been doing it for 8 years. My first car a 77 240D went over 100k
> and ran better when I sold it than when I bought it. It was always a slug. But
> could do 65 or 70 on the road. Make it over the grapevine to San Diego from San
> Francisco and Make it to Seattle on one trunk of fuel. 72 gallons. That's 10 5
> gallon cubes and tilting the car sideways I could get 22 gallons into the tank.
> You can't use the car as a town car anymore. Minimum of 10 miles per trip.
> Line heaters or a veg therm in line to heat the fuel is mandatory although I've
> seen some just use a vormax or coolant heat. So yes they do smoke but since
> these cars only cost a couple of thousand each if I blow one up (which I never
> did) who cares. Very cost effective. I do have to say I lost one 300Turbo to a
> loud knocking in the motor & I lost a 6.2 Suburban to a connecting rod going
> through the case. This is over an 8 year period. The Suburban is still
> running. With an engine replacement. A bunch of kids drove it to San Diego from
> San Francisco and back and it's just being used by one of them. Lawrence Rhodes
>





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