--- On Sun, 7/15/12, audiolaw@aol.com <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil DEATH Turbo Diesel Sports Coupe
Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil DEATH Turbo Diesel Sports Coupe
Boyd, "Best of all, they are not union!!!"??? Are you completely unaware that our wonderful Mercedes diesel engines, that run on so many different fuels and last so long, are both designed and built by UNION workers, who have better health care, longer vacations, and guaranteed retirement plans than any U.S. workers, even those with the most protective unions? Even with all those evil unionized designers and plant workers, as you say, Mercedes makes an engine you can afford, and no union busting U.S. plant, that has to guarantee fat paychecks and perks for management, can build such engines in a way that we in the middle class can afford them. In a message dated 7/15/2012 4:52:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bgthegreat@verizon.net writes:
Sorry Bobby, I don't know where you are from, but I am from the USA. I deal, and trust, our engineers and manufacturers first. I get super service, help and advice from greasecar in Mass! Best of all, they are not union!!! Only, after I have exhausted all options in the USA, will I go to another country for new purchases. Now, you might say, why then a Mercedes? I don't know of an American made engine, that I can afford, that is like like my Mercedes.
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil DEATH Turbo Diesel Sports Coupe
Sorry Bobby, I don't know where you are from, but I am from the USA. I deal, and trust, our engineers and manufacturers first. I get super service, help and advice from greasecar in Mass! Best of all, they are not union!!! Only, after I have exhausted all options in the USA, will I go to another country for new purchases. Now, you might say, why then a Mercedes? I don't know of an American made engine, that I can afford, that is like like my Mercedes.
If you youtube, you will see a guy that has put our engine in a, I believe it is, Suburban. He is ruining it on used veggei! Bottom line is that Germans build a great engines and great medical tools, but I will deal with USA first.
BTY, I bought a John Deere 650 diesel only to find out that it is not a diesel made in the USA. I guess we are lucky that our present administration doesn't want to paste solar panels to our cars since mine is 30 years old. Seems our government wants us to open our sun roofs and put a wind mills on your beenies!?! That said, exhaust all USA opportunities first before you pimp that foreign stuff.
Boyd
From: Bobby Yates Emory <liberty1@gmail.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil DEATH Turbo Diesel Sports Coupe
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil DEATH Turbo Diesel Sports Coupe
Nate,
In case there are any newbies reading this thread, they should know:
Nate is very protective of his MBs.
If your objective is to experiment with or save money be using bio-fuels, the most forgiving car to use are the 78 to 84 MBs.
Although Nate was talking about the possibility of transesterfication of lipids into bio diesel, it is also possible to use Straight Vegetable Oils and not have to process anything in your backyard. Bio-diesel is widely used and most users are satisfied. Bio-diesel is also useful as an additive to dino diesel to restore the lubricity lost by the latest Ultra Low Sulfur diesel.
As Jim implied, the usual way that people use SVO is to have two tanks and to crank and shut down the engine on dino diesel. After a few minutes of running on dino diesel, the water will have warmed the SVO heating gadgets and the SVO will burn nicely.
It is also possible to modify some cars to allow them to use SVO in a single tank system. I would only trust the conversions kits designed by Elsbett.
Sold from Germany by Greaseenergy:
<http://www.greasenergy-shop.com/epages/63102114.sf/en_US/?ViewObjectID=28949856>
Discussion here:
<http://www.repowernow.net/cars/diesel/elsbett.htm>
Bobby
, Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Toward freedom,
Bobby Yates Emory
In case there are any newbies reading this thread, they should know:
Nate is very protective of his MBs.
If your objective is to experiment with or save money be using bio-fuels, the most forgiving car to use are the 78 to 84 MBs.
Although Nate was talking about the possibility of transesterfication of lipids into bio diesel, it is also possible to use Straight Vegetable Oils and not have to process anything in your backyard. Bio-diesel is widely used and most users are satisfied. Bio-diesel is also useful as an additive to dino diesel to restore the lubricity lost by the latest Ultra Low Sulfur diesel.
As Jim implied, the usual way that people use SVO is to have two tanks and to crank and shut down the engine on dino diesel. After a few minutes of running on dino diesel, the water will have warmed the SVO heating gadgets and the SVO will burn nicely.
It is also possible to modify some cars to allow them to use SVO in a single tank system. I would only trust the conversions kits designed by Elsbett.
Sold from Germany by Greaseenergy:
<http://www.greasenergy-shop.com/epages/63102114.sf/en_US/?ViewObjectID=28949856>
Discussion here:
<http://www.repowernow.net/cars/diesel/elsbett.htm>
Bobby
, Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I bought the car not running as junk after the boobs in The People's Republik Of Santa Monika ran it into the ground by running god alone knows what mixtures of vegitable oil until it stopped running and refused to start again.....
After I beat the price down to scrap value and purchased it , I made it run and drove it off the lot in choking clouds of smoke then peaked & tweaked it whilst driving it another 20,000 miles before it died early one morning , then I rebuilt the engine (ouch) and have been happily driving the living hell out of it ever since on Dino Diesel , it's stylish , comfy and surprisingly fast , I love out running Sports Cars in the mounatins and canyons & deserts in it .
I am aware one can make Bio-Fuels @ home but to do it right is very time consuming not to mention the ever present oil slick so I choose to buy Petro Fuel .
-Nate
Jim wrote:
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> Did you start and stop it on veg, or did you start and diesel and warm it first before switching to veg, and then purge back to diesel before shutting down/cooling?
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> Jim
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Toward freedom,
Bobby Yates Emory
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[diesel_mercedes] Re: A Good Day Out
No fair the nearest PAP is about 150 miles round trip, and I have only seen one Mercedes there I think it was an ancient 180.
Tony
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Nate <vwnate1@...> wrote:
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> Tom came by this morning early and took me off to one of the smaller but still good Self-Service junkyards in The South Bay , I found a rather nice 1989 W-126 300SD with 200,800 mies , new motor mounts , no dents , no oil leaks , recent injectors , so on and so forth so I removed the intake boot and discovered the intake was almost dry ~ a rare thing indeed as it indicates both little engine blowby and no oil leaks in the turbo's seals so we broke out the tools and in 35 minutes I had a spiffy new (used) turbo for my Coupe . I also got another spare air cleaner 'T' bracket as they still occasionally break on my car , Tom says I shouldn't drive it so hard & fast but what does he know . they're cheap so I'll just keep replacing them .
>
> Near the entracne was a BIG trash barrel full of stuff , I'd spotted factory tool kit tools in it before so I began digging , it was pretty nasty as the yard apes toss random trash in there but in the end I found 10 tools I wanted including two of those hard to find threaded studs so handy for aligning your spare tire when changing a flat , also a brand new Heyco part of Water Pump Pliers , they're marked BMW but are still good quality .
>
> The guy in charge of the used tools/trash , charged me $6 for all 10 tools and seemed amused I'd bothered to uload them re fill almost the entire trash bin , I tried not to do a Pee-Pee dance . Tom gathered up a bunch of Mercedes toolkit tools and also paid only $6 , the deal of the day for sure .
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> In end end , I got a turbo charger with all the hardware, brackers and clamps , the 'U' intake pipe , air cleaner 'T' bracket , 6 relays and a hand full of those fuel hose clamps all for only $147.83 including tax and core charge ~ it's good to be a " regular " where they know and like you .
>
> He even gave me a 15 day refund / exchange warranty as if I'd ever return a used junykard part .
>
> Then we headed off to West L.A. and replaced the ignition and wires on Tom's Hearse , it now runs smooth as silk again and will hopefully whistle through it's SMOG Test next week .
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> I felt pretty good for a change , always never ending pain and feeling useless , to - day I got some things done and feel good about that .
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> -Nate
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[diesel_mercedes] 86 SDL, for sale?
Hi gang.
I'm thinking I might "surplus" my SDL.
I just don't drive it any more, and I hate to see it sitting collecting
dust.
I'd keep my 240D 4 spd, for putting around town, but, with child grown, no
wife, and no road trips in my near future, it seems a waste for it to sit.
It's been a great car, very, very few issues, and most of any it's had were
not the cars fault (deer through the grill, broken radiator hose, pinched
wire).
I also have a same color int and ext, 87 300 SDL for parts.
I'm not sure of value, and am asking here what you guys think? I wanna be
fair.
issues:
minor dent in hood , broken plastic floor plate inside (effects nothing, and
you can't see, it's up where you rest your left foot), seats show normal
wear. Leather.
A/c needs to be re-charged once per year......can't find the leak, but, if I
do it in spring, it works perfect all summer and by next spring needs
charging.
it has a new radiator and water pump, belts and hoses (thanks deer through
the grill), good tires, extra rims with studded winter tires, 6 cd changer.
no huge scratches or dents, yet a few minor ones do exist. Kept in a garage.
good consistent high 20's on road trips, which is all it ever does.
240K miles.
Dark blue/palomino
seeya
Henry
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I'm thinking I might "surplus" my SDL.
I just don't drive it any more, and I hate to see it sitting collecting
dust.
I'd keep my 240D 4 spd, for putting around town, but, with child grown, no
wife, and no road trips in my near future, it seems a waste for it to sit.
It's been a great car, very, very few issues, and most of any it's had were
not the cars fault (deer through the grill, broken radiator hose, pinched
wire).
I also have a same color int and ext, 87 300 SDL for parts.
I'm not sure of value, and am asking here what you guys think? I wanna be
fair.
issues:
minor dent in hood , broken plastic floor plate inside (effects nothing, and
you can't see, it's up where you rest your left foot), seats show normal
wear. Leather.
A/c needs to be re-charged once per year......can't find the leak, but, if I
do it in spring, it works perfect all summer and by next spring needs
charging.
it has a new radiator and water pump, belts and hoses (thanks deer through
the grill), good tires, extra rims with studded winter tires, 6 cd changer.
no huge scratches or dents, yet a few minor ones do exist. Kept in a garage.
good consistent high 20's on road trips, which is all it ever does.
240K miles.
Dark blue/palomino
seeya
Henry
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Alternate Diesel Fuels
I've run some batches of WMO, spun through my centrifuge, mixed with dino
diesel, and it seems to run fine.....I know that's not what you're asking,
but it's a close as I can come.
Henry
----- Original Message -----
From: "briankk" <briankk@att.net>
To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Alternate Diesel Fuels
There's one other consideration..
Couple of years ago, there was a piece going around the net about a fellow
who had installed a 5 cyl. Deutz diesel truck engine in an old Ford pickup,
was running the rig on raw crude oil, as pumped from the ground, no refining
involved.
The Deutz engine seems to use the same inline Bosch fuel pump that we use,
and other than being air cooled, instead of liquid cooled, is otherwise
similar, i.e. pre-chambers, glo plugs and high compression, and this led me
to wonder if anybody had ever tried running the Mercedes on raw crude.
Assuming you have access to a suitable light crude oil, not everything
pumped from the ground would be suitable, but I suspect most eastern light
crude would do..
Anybody?
--- On Sun, 7/15/12, Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Alternate Diesel Fuels
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 15, 2012, 10:21 AM
Thanx all for the clarifying comments .
In a nut shell here's is the Veggie , WVO & WMO fuel thing :
It's very time consuming to do right and you really cannot do the normal
short hop , drive to work / market use 99% of all people use vehicles for so
why bother ? .
Yes , it is great for the Environment and can save you serious $ over time .
But , sooner or later , the pracical realities of life will mandate that you
make at least _one_ short cut and then all is lost although not immediately
apparent due to the nature of Diesel combustion .
If you have nothing better to do and live far away from everything so every
time you start the engine you know it'll run for minimum of 30 minutes then
it'll prolly be a win - win for you .
Other (most) folks have busy daily lives and so fail in this effort .
Give it a try but then don't hine nor blame the car when it becomes an
expen$ive nightmare and ruins your marriage in the process .
-Nate
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Running of vegetable oil.
I choose a 2 tank system. I live in Md, drive to Pa and to NC. I use the greasecar system. I have no interest in mixing costic chemicals in my garage or on my property. I use the sun to dry my oil. I am getting well over a 1,000 miles on a tank of diesel.
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On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 10:34 AM EDT Lost but making good time. wrote:
>Running WVO is a fantastic opportunity to escape the oil industry at least in part. Here is my experience in my bus (6V92 TA)
>I was getting waste oil from a number of sources filtering it down to 10 microns or less. Was blending it in my single tank up to 60% in mid summer. Bus seemed to like it, and it smelled better. After 6 months +/- and burning straight diesel for at least a month, one piston stopped and the other 5 kept going - well for a few minutes anyway. $12,000 dollars later, I was/am reluctant to try wvo again.
>I do not think that the wvo played a part, but cannot afford to chance it, less of a risk for our dear Mercedes for under $5k I can replace the car, and for under $3K I can replace the engine. Even at $400 + for a fill up I just won't risk the engine.
>Were I to start using it again I would wash the oil, safeway washes and reuses theirs at least in some stores, then I would dry it and filter it down to 5 microns. Better yet imo make biodiesel.
>If you are going to use wvo be as careful as Lawrence at a minimum.
>Tony
>
>--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote:
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>> Nate doesn't like it and I don't disagree. However after 8 years of successful driving on SVO I've learned a thing or two, The best thing is injector line heaters. My oil reaches 210F. I also increase injector pressure like Ellsbett. I use a Vormax like Plant Drive. So I take the best of all the designs and I think I've got a winner. However there are problems.I drive single tank. You just can't do short trips. YOu can't drive is cold climates. You have to go at least ten miles and then I still worry about ring coking. You could use a dual tank but that adds complication. Just saying it works for me. If you really worry do a dual tank system. 100k miles on one car is is a great record. Good enough for a car that cost 1850 dollars. On short trips I ride my bicycle or drive the electric car. Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Alternate Diesel Fuels
| There's one other consideration.. Couple of years ago, there was a piece going around the net about a fellow who had installed a 5 cyl. Deutz diesel truck engine in an old Ford pickup, was running the rig on raw crude oil, as pumped from the ground, no refining involved. The Deutz engine seems to use the same inline Bosch fuel pump that we use, and other than being air cooled, instead of liquid cooled, is otherwise similar, i.e. pre-chambers, glo plugs and high compression, and this led me to wonder if anybody had ever tried running the Mercedes on raw crude. Assuming you have access to a suitable light crude oil, not everything pumped from the ground would be suitable, but I suspect most eastern light crude would do.. Anybody? --- On Sun, 7/15/12, Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:
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[diesel_mercedes] Alternate Diesel Fuels
Thanx all for the clarifying comments .
In a nut shell here's is the Veggie , WVO & WMO fuel thing :
It's very time consuming to do right and you really cannot do the normal short hop , drive to work / market use 99% of all people use vehicles for so why bother ? .
Yes , it is great for the Environment and can save you serious $ over time .
But , sooner or later , the pracical realities of life will mandate that you make at least _one_ short cut and then all is lost although not immediately apparent due to the nature of Diesel combustion .
If you have nothing better to do and live far away from everything so every time you start the engine you know it'll run for minimum of 30 minutes then it'll prolly be a win - win for you .
Other (most) folks have busy daily lives and so fail in this effort .
Give it a try but then don't hine nor blame the car when it becomes an expen$ive nightmare and ruins your marriage in the process .
-Nate
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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Black Smoke & Low Power @ Startup.
O.K. then . =8-) .
-Nate
Tony wrote :
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> Nate, I always use my fingers on the cat.
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Running of vegetable oil.
well my experince after 60,000 miles my blow by was increasing,this a two system with IJ heaters.Quit wvo and year later no blow by. --- On Sun, 7/15/12, Lost but making good time. <aldridgetony97@yahoo.com> wrote:
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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Running of vegetable oil.
Running WVO is a fantastic opportunity to escape the oil industry at least in part. Here is my experience in my bus (6V92 TA)
I was getting waste oil from a number of sources filtering it down to 10 microns or less. Was blending it in my single tank up to 60% in mid summer. Bus seemed to like it, and it smelled better. After 6 months +/- and burning straight diesel for at least a month, one piston stopped and the other 5 kept going - well for a few minutes anyway. $12,000 dollars later, I was/am reluctant to try wvo again.
I do not think that the wvo played a part, but cannot afford to chance it, less of a risk for our dear Mercedes for under $5k I can replace the car, and for under $3K I can replace the engine. Even at $400 + for a fill up I just won't risk the engine.
Were I to start using it again I would wash the oil, safeway washes and reuses theirs at least in some stores, then I would dry it and filter it down to 5 microns. Better yet imo make biodiesel.
If you are going to use wvo be as careful as Lawrence at a minimum.
Tony
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote:
>
> Nate doesn't like it and I don't disagree. However after 8 years of successful driving on SVO I've learned a thing or two, The best thing is injector line heaters. My oil reaches 210F. I also increase injector pressure like Ellsbett. I use a Vormax like Plant Drive. So I take the best of all the designs and I think I've got a winner. However there are problems.I drive single tank. You just can't do short trips. YOu can't drive is cold climates. You have to go at least ten miles and then I still worry about ring coking. You could use a dual tank but that adds complication. Just saying it works for me. If you really worry do a dual tank system. 100k miles on one car is is a great record. Good enough for a car that cost 1850 dollars. On short trips I ride my bicycle or drive the electric car. Lawrence Rhodes
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[diesel_mercedes] Running of vegetable oil.
Nate doesn't like it and I don't disagree. However after 8 years of successful driving on SVO I've learned a thing or two, The best thing is injector line heaters. My oil reaches 210F. I also increase injector pressure like Ellsbett. I use a Vormax like Plant Drive. So I take the best of all the designs and I think I've got a winner. However there are problems.I drive single tank. You just can't do short trips. YOu can't drive is cold climates. You have to go at least ten miles and then I still worry about ring coking. You could use a dual tank but that adds complication. Just saying it works for me. If you really worry do a dual tank system. 100k miles on one car is is a great record. Good enough for a car that cost 1850 dollars. On short trips I ride my bicycle or drive the electric car. Lawrence Rhodes
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