[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : W-123 Starter Connector Box

 

No it was not. That could be it. The glow plugs should be on, plus someone else with their foot on the throttle halfway down.

Ty.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@...> wrote:
>
> Is your key "on" when you jumper?
>
>  
> brian from la verne, ca
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: manjit <mj0a0a@...>
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:50 AM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : W-123 Starter Connector Box
>
>
>  
> Nate,
>
> Thanks
>
> I jumpered the 2 red wires (the 2 on the ends). The starter cranks, but the car itself did not start. It starts with the key. Possible causes
>
> 1) The screws and wires are kinda rusty. Will clean and try again.
>
> 2) I used a paper clip, straightened out and then bent at the edges, holding it between needle-nose pliers. I know you said 'unbent paper clip' . Maybe the straightened one did not carry enough current for the starter?
>
> I don't need this currently , but this is a great one to have in the bag of tricks.
>
> Ty.
>
> manjit
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yep ;
> >
> > There are three wires , two big red ones (1.5MM) and one black one , jumper the two red ones .
> >
> > Of course you first made sure the tranny was is park and the E-Brake is firmly set because the engine will crank and start causing the car to lurch forward & run over your toes if you leave it in gear...
> >
> > -Nate
> > Manjeet wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate, Do you recall which 2 wires would be jumpered? The box has more than 2. I think you posted a procedure to do this , but I could not find it doing search. If you can post a brief summary, would be great. For eg, which ones to jumper, any special precautions/method etc.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > manjeet
> > >
> > > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Alan Boucher <alstheone@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 7/23/2011 10:38 PM, Nate wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Some years it's up high on the fenderwell , others it's down low on
> > > > > the ' frame rail ' near the alternator .
> > > > >
> > > > > -Nate
> > > > > Jim wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My 84 300D has that jumper box but my 82 240D does not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yep ;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This works a treat when you're stuck ~ use an unbent paperclip or
> > > > > old pair of needle nosed pliers.....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's a good primary test to see if the starter's still O.K. , when
> > > > > Tom and I were far deep into Washington State and his SD refused to
> > > > > crank over , I did this to discern the starter was Kaputi .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The solenoid was quite literally toast and crumbled in my hands as
> > > > > I unbolted the battery cable .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Nate
> > > > > > > Manjeet (I *think*) wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think somebody posted a while ago a method of starting the car
> > > > > directly by jumpering the two red wires/plugs that are in a small box
> > > > > on the fender wall (to the front of, same side as the battery). This
> > > > > jump starts the starter.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 300sd 1984 260k+
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Poor connections in that box can also be the cause of rapid battery
> > > > drain or more a correctly poor charging and starting problems.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : W-123 Starter Connector Box

 


O.K. , it's an '82 so the throttle has the manual idle speed knob , turn it counter clockwise as far as it'll go then try again and hopefully it'll light off as you said the starter is working and the engine cranking...

If it's cool out , you should still turn the key on to hear the glow plugs .

The starter should work with just an unbent paperclip but if not , use the needle nose pliers .

Am I missing something here ? .

-Nate
Manjeet wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> Thanks
>
> I jumpered the 2 red wires (the 2 on the ends). The starter cranks, but the car itself did not start. It starts with the key. Possible causes
>
> 1) The screws and wires are kinda rusty. Will clean and try again.
>
> 2) I used a paper clip, straightened out and then bent at the edges, holding it between needle-nose pliers. I know you said 'unbent paper clip' . Maybe the straightened one did not carry enough current for the starter?
>
> I don't need this currently , but this is a great one to have in the bag of tricks.
>
> Ty.
>
> manjit
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yep ;
> >
> > There are three wires , two big red ones (1.5MM) and one black one , jumper the two red ones .
> >
> > Of course you first made sure the tranny was is park and the E-Brake is firmly set because the engine will crank and start causing the car to lurch forward & run over your toes if you leave it in gear...
> >
> > -Nate
> > Manjeet wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate, Do you recall which 2 wires would be jumpered? The box has more than 2. I think you posted a procedure to do this , but I could not find it doing search. If you can post a brief summary, would be great. For eg, which ones to jumper, any special precautions/method etc.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > manjeet
> > >
> > > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Alan Boucher <alstheone@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 7/23/2011 10:38 PM, Nate wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Some years it's up high on the fenderwell , others it's down low on
> > > > > the ' frame rail ' near the alternator .
> > > > >
> > > > > -Nate
> > > > > Jim wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My 84 300D has that jumper box but my 82 240D does not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yep ;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This works a treat when you're stuck ~ use an unbent paperclip or
> > > > > old pair of needle nosed pliers.....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's a good primary test to see if the starter's still O.K. , when
> > > > > Tom and I were far deep into Washington State and his SD refused to
> > > > > crank over , I did this to discern the starter was Kaputi .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The solenoid was quite literally toast and crumbled in my hands as
> > > > > I unbolted the battery cable .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Nate
> > > > > > > Manjeet (I *think*) wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think somebody posted a while ago a method of starting the car
> > > > > directly by jumpering the two red wires/plugs that are in a small box
> > > > > on the fender wall (to the front of, same side as the battery). This
> > > > > jump starts the starter.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 300sd 1984 260k+
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Poor connections in that box can also be the cause of rapid battery
> > > > drain or more a correctly poor charging and starting problems.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] cutting off air flow to intake to shutoff engine

 


I was going through the procedure for changing the vacuum shutoff valve on diesel-giant. They say that to prevent runaway diesel, take off the air pipe from the turbo to the intake, and put a spraycan cap on it to cutoff air to the intake to shutoff the engine. The cap supposedly fits perfectly on the intake inlet. I tried four caps, they all fit well, but only one worked. That one I am saving! The others were prolly leaking air somewhere into the intake.

Point being, I guess, to try a cap and see if it actually fits and works, before you have to use it in an emergency.

300sd 1984, 260+. bruised but still standing tall.

manjit

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : W-123 Starter Connector Box

 

Is your key "on" when you jumper?
 
brian from la verne, ca
From: manjit <mj0a0a@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:50 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : W-123 Starter Connector Box

 
Nate,

Thanks

I jumpered the 2 red wires (the 2 on the ends). The starter cranks, but the car itself did not start. It starts with the key. Possible causes

1) The screws and wires are kinda rusty. Will clean and try again.

2) I used a paper clip, straightened out and then bent at the edges, holding it between needle-nose pliers. I know you said 'unbent paper clip' . Maybe the straightened one did not carry enough current for the starter?

I don't need this currently , but this is a great one to have in the bag of tricks.

Ty.

manjit

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yep ;
>
> There are three wires , two big red ones (1.5MM) and one black one , jumper the two red ones .
>
> Of course you first made sure the tranny was is park and the E-Brake is firmly set because the engine will crank and start causing the car to lurch forward & run over your toes if you leave it in gear...
>
> -Nate
> Manjeet wrote:
> >
> > Nate, Do you recall which 2 wires would be jumpered? The box has more than 2. I think you posted a procedure to do this , but I could not find it doing search. If you can post a brief summary, would be great. For eg, which ones to jumper, any special precautions/method etc.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > manjeet
> >
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Alan Boucher <alstheone@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 7/23/2011 10:38 PM, Nate wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Some years it's up high on the fenderwell , others it's down low on
> > > > the ' frame rail ' near the alternator .
> > > >
> > > > -Nate
> > > > Jim wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 84 300D has that jumper box but my 82 240D does not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep ;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This works a treat when you're stuck ~ use an unbent paperclip or
> > > > old pair of needle nosed pliers.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a good primary test to see if the starter's still O.K. , when
> > > > Tom and I were far deep into Washington State and his SD refused to
> > > > crank over , I did this to discern the starter was Kaputi .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The solenoid was quite literally toast and crumbled in my hands as
> > > > I unbolted the battery cable .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Nate
> > > > > > Manjeet (I *think*) wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think somebody posted a while ago a method of starting the car
> > > > directly by jumpering the two red wires/plugs that are in a small box
> > > > on the fender wall (to the front of, same side as the battery). This
> > > > jump starts the starter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 300sd 1984 260k+
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Poor connections in that box can also be the cause of rapid battery
> > > drain or more a correctly poor charging and starting problems.
> > >
> >
>



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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : W-123 Starter Connector Box

 

Nate,

Thanks

I jumpered the 2 red wires (the 2 on the ends). The starter cranks, but the car itself did not start. It starts with the key. Possible causes

1) The screws and wires are kinda rusty. Will clean and try again.

2) I used a paper clip, straightened out and then bent at the edges, holding it between needle-nose pliers. I know you said 'unbent paper clip' . Maybe the straightened one did not carry enough current for the starter?

I don't need this currently , but this is a great one to have in the bag of tricks.

Ty.

manjit

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yep ;
>
> There are three wires , two big red ones (1.5MM) and one black one , jumper the two red ones .
>
> Of course you first made sure the tranny was is park and the E-Brake is firmly set because the engine will crank and start causing the car to lurch forward & run over your toes if you leave it in gear...
>
> -Nate
> Manjeet wrote:
> >
> > Nate, Do you recall which 2 wires would be jumpered? The box has more than 2. I think you posted a procedure to do this , but I could not find it doing search. If you can post a brief summary, would be great. For eg, which ones to jumper, any special precautions/method etc.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > manjeet
> >
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Alan Boucher <alstheone@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 7/23/2011 10:38 PM, Nate wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Some years it's up high on the fenderwell , others it's down low on
> > > > the ' frame rail ' near the alternator .
> > > >
> > > > -Nate
> > > > Jim wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 84 300D has that jumper box but my 82 240D does not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep ;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This works a treat when you're stuck ~ use an unbent paperclip or
> > > > old pair of needle nosed pliers.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a good primary test to see if the starter's still O.K. , when
> > > > Tom and I were far deep into Washington State and his SD refused to
> > > > crank over , I did this to discern the starter was Kaputi .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The solenoid was quite literally toast and crumbled in my hands as
> > > > I unbolted the battery cable .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Nate
> > > > > > Manjeet (I *think*) wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think somebody posted a while ago a method of starting the car
> > > > directly by jumpering the two red wires/plugs that are in a small box
> > > > on the fender wall (to the front of, same side as the battery). This
> > > > jump starts the starter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 300sd 1984 260k+
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Poor connections in that box can also be the cause of rapid battery
> > > drain or more a correctly poor charging and starting problems.
> > >
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Fw: Halfshaft 240D

 



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> I checked again and the price is a dollar less at 62 bucks. LR
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[diesel_mercedes] Re : 300SD starting problem after sitting 2 hrs

 


Begin by replacing any fuel hoses that are either showing cracks or that show fractional size markings as there's almost certainly an air leak in the underhood plumbing .

Unless you've done so already , I'd go ahead and change them all , there's not a whole lot to the job , it's just messy , like hand priming .

Be sure to buy at least 12" more hose that you can possibly use ~ you'll be pleased to discover you don't run out right at the end of the job .

Take the time to hunt down the correct hose clamps too as they do make a big difference and they're only $1 each .

Expect to have to re - prime it then hold the engine at a high idle for 5 minutes after changing out the hoses as it takes time to self bleed out _all_ the air bubbles , I learned this the hard way after revving it a bit then leaving it to idle for long enough to wash my hand , then I made it to the corner before it stalled out from air bubbles reaching the injectors =8-^ .

-Nate
John wrote:
>
>
> My 300 sd won't start until I pump the prime pump several times after it's been sitting for a while. If the car is full of fuel it will start even left overnight. Once it goes down a couple of gallons it needs to be primed to start if it's off for a couple hours.... Any ideas ??
> thks
> JC
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : W-123 Starter Connector Box

 


Yep ;

There are three wires , two big red ones (1.5MM) and one black one , jumper the two red ones .

Of course you first made sure the tranny was is park and the E-Brake is firmly set because the engine will crank and start causing the car to lurch forward & run over your toes if you leave it in gear...

-Nate
Manjeet wrote:
>
> Nate, Do you recall which 2 wires would be jumpered? The box has more than 2. I think you posted a procedure to do this , but I could not find it doing search. If you can post a brief summary, would be great. For eg, which ones to jumper, any special precautions/method etc.
>
> Thanks.
>
> manjeet
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Alan Boucher <alstheone@> wrote:
> >
> > On 7/23/2011 10:38 PM, Nate wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Some years it's up high on the fenderwell , others it's down low on
> > > the ' frame rail ' near the alternator .
> > >
> > > -Nate
> > > Jim wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My 84 300D has that jumper box but my 82 240D does not.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep ;
> > > > >
> > > > > This works a treat when you're stuck ~ use an unbent paperclip or
> > > old pair of needle nosed pliers.....
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a good primary test to see if the starter's still O.K. , when
> > > Tom and I were far deep into Washington State and his SD refused to
> > > crank over , I did this to discern the starter was Kaputi .
> > > > >
> > > > > The solenoid was quite literally toast and crumbled in my hands as
> > > I unbolted the battery cable .
> > > > >
> > > > > -Nate
> > > > > Manjeet (I *think*) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think somebody posted a while ago a method of starting the car
> > > directly by jumpering the two red wires/plugs that are in a small box
> > > on the fender wall (to the front of, same side as the battery). This
> > > jump starts the starter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 300sd 1984 260k+
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > Poor connections in that box can also be the cause of rapid battery
> > drain or more a correctly poor charging and starting problems.
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Fungus Cleaning

 


Hi Michael ;

Yes but , this wasn't injector cleaning , it was to rid my system of fungus crud .

For routine injector / injection pump cleaning Seafoam is the very best there is and Techron is good stuff too .

For fungus Startron beats all other treaments hands down , I hope you'll never have to try it but if you get fungus , give it a try and you'll see .

I am happy to report that since blowing out the intake screen , no further chunks have appeared , the Startron seems to be working as the fuel remains almost clear , this weekend we'll hit the road and run through a tank or three , since I have a bottle of Startron in the trunk , I'll be dosing it with each fillup .

-Nate

Michael Wrote :

I use Chevron Textron or Seafoam to clean the injectors and fuel system. Works great.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: 300SD starting problem after sitting 2 hrs

 

On 8/17/2011 8:09 AM, kc8sil wrote:

 


If you have been priming it like a teenage boy in the head with a girly magazine the priming pump may have a crack in it. The one on my old 83' TD was plastic and had a hairline crack in it that I couldn't see, and went out on me shortly after changing out the fuel filters. Also when priming keep it up until you get a steady flow of fuel from it, I had a tendancy to not prime it long enough to get all the air out of the line.

John KC8SIL
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jcgiv@...> wrote:
>
>
> My 300 sd won't start until I pump the prime pump several times after it's been sitting for a while. If the car is full of fuel it will start even left overnight. Once it goes down a couple of gallons it needs to be primed to start if it's off for a couple hours.... Any ideas ??
> thks
> JC
>

I always fill the new filter with fuel before installing it.  That saves a lot of priming.  The car will usually restart without any priming.

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: 300SD starting problem after sitting 2 hrs

 


If you have been priming it like a teenage boy in the head with a girly magazine the priming pump may have a crack in it. The one on my old 83' TD was plastic and had a hairline crack in it that I couldn't see, and went out on me shortly after changing out the fuel filters. Also when priming keep it up until you get a steady flow of fuel from it, I had a tendancy to not prime it long enough to get all the air out of the line.

John KC8SIL
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jcgiv@...> wrote:
>
>
> My 300 sd won't start until I pump the prime pump several times after it's been sitting for a while. If the car is full of fuel it will start even left overnight. Once it goes down a couple of gallons it needs to be primed to start if it's off for a couple hours.... Any ideas ??
> thks
> JC
>

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