[diesel_mercedes] Re: New timing chain?

 


_CHECK_ it for stretch ~ my '84 300CD has 360,000 miles and _zero_ timing chain stretch .

A used oil cooler is fine , soak it in gasoline for a few days to loosen the old crud then flush it well before use .

-Nate
"longhairedhippieartist" wrote:
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> I have an 82 300D; I'm getting different stories from different mechanics. One says my Timing chain should be changed every 100,000 miles as precaution because "if it goes there goes my engine". Another is saying that he's never seen one of these go in a Mercedes diesel so there is nothing to worry about. Who should I listen to? Also it needs an Oil Cooler should I get a new one or is a good salvage yard part ok?
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Timing Chains Etc.

 



Doug ;

Good post .

FWIW , the Mercedes OM 616 & 617 engines use a separate chain to run the oil pump , it's fairly floppy when new , bothers me to look at it so I don't .

The timing chain , can easily be checked for wear & stretching by observing the cam alignment marks when the crankshaft is @ TDC ~ more than 3° and it is time to replace it and the plastic tensioners too .

Interestingly , Mercedes used really good chains so as long as the oil was changed frequently , they were very little .

-Nate
Doug wrote:
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> Thanks Don, great answer for Chuck,, guys,, I have seen many an engine, self destruct when the timing belt, chain or gears fail due to high mileage, but there are not that many interference engines now days.
>
> When an interference engine does self destruct, normally the whole engine is just junk iron, except for the injection pump, alternator an starter, an smaller parts. One or more valves tend to go thru its companion piston, swelling it, an cracking the cylinder block, an often the cylinder head too.
>
> Engine techs or Enginemen call that a piston trying to swallow a valve, that swarms the engine. The valve an piston try the basic law of physics, that says that two items cannot occupy the same space at the same time.
>
> Many of the older small engines, mostly 4 cylinder, used rubber belts for timing / driving the valve train, these belts had teeth that would shed from age, an wear, resulting in a destroyed engine, at maybe only 60,000 miles, thus we tended to change the belts at 50,000 as a normal PM an sort of insurance against an angry car owner.
>
> Chains are much better, they have tension arms, spring loaded that hold the chain in adjustment automatically, along with nice chain guides, but they too wear out.
> Sometimes on Diesels, the oil pump is also driven by a chain, that is a part of the valve chain system, thus with wear excessive its a two part threat to the continued life of the engine.
>
> Not sure about Mercedes, not yet all that familiar with the overall design of the engine systems, yet, have not worked professionally on Mercedes, just minor maint. items in the past 6 years since I have owned my 300d an SD.
> Valve timing failure is about the same as when the SD turbo sucks in water, thru a failed air intake hose, an the engine self destructs, happens all the time here in the Texas Gulf Coast area, during flooding, an normally the whole car is junked, many are crushed too.
>
> Good low mile used engines for such old cars is almost impossible to buy, an sometimes they will sell for up to 2 or 3 K, depending on who is selling it.
> I will not risk my cherry engine past 200K, will change the timing chain early next year, when I reach that mileage, my 300d is too important to my financial health at this time, after 11 years of fixed income, being retired.
> Have a great weekend, the Texas weather is wonderful now.
> Doug,

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] New timing chain?

 

Listen to the keep oil changed and no chain ever needed.

--- On Thu, 5/19/11, longhairedhippieartist <dezski@pacbell.net> wrote:

From: longhairedhippieartist <dezski@pacbell.net>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] New timing chain?
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 4:46 AM

 
I have an 82 300D; I'm getting different stories from different mechanics. One says my Timing chain should be changed every 100,000 miles as precaution because "if it goes there goes my engine". Another is saying that he's never seen one of these go in a Mercedes diesel so there is nothing to worry about. Who should I listen to? Also it needs an Oil Cooler should I get a new one or is a good salvage yard part ok?

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] New timing chain?

 

I have 200,000 miles on Mary and 280,000 on Martha (both 1983 300d's). I am starting to get a little nervous, but not too much. Next time I do my valves I will check the chains again and offer up a little prayer to the German Engineers Club.
 
brian from la verne, ca



From: longhairedhippieartist <dezski@pacbell.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 2:46:54 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] New timing chain?

 

I have an 82 300D; I'm getting different stories from different mechanics. One says my Timing chain should be changed every 100,000 miles as precaution because "if it goes there goes my engine". Another is saying that he's never seen one of these go in a Mercedes diesel so there is nothing to worry about. Who should I listen to? Also it needs an Oil Cooler should I get a new one or is a good salvage yard part ok?

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: SOoooooo Envious !

 

Still $4.50'ish around here. Max

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Aleph93 <aleph93@...> wrote:
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>
> Diesel was $4.36/gal in Costa Mesa, CA, yesterday.
> I was down to the last few gals, filled with about 18gals.
>
>
> Rob
> '85 300D
> Garden Grove, CA
>
> On 5/19/11 1:22 AM, diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > SOoooooo Envious !
> > Posted by: "Nate"vwnate1@... vwnate1
> > Date: Wed May 18, 2011 8:07 pm ((PDT))
> >
> >
> > Of the affordable Diesel Fuel elsewhere .
> >
> > I saw branded Gasoline @ $4.09 in richy-rich Palos Verdes Sunday but no price reduction on Diesel fuel anywhere .
> >
> > I'm down to 1/2 tank and waiting , hoping it'll drop a few pennies soon .
> >
> > -Nate
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] SOoooooo Envious !

 


Diesel was $4.36/gal in Costa Mesa, CA, yesterday.
I was down to the last few gals, filled with about 18gals.

Rob
'85 300D
Garden Grove, CA

On 5/19/11 1:22 AM, diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> SOoooooo Envious !
> Posted by: "Nate"vwnate1@yahoo.com vwnate1
> Date: Wed May 18, 2011 8:07 pm ((PDT))
>
>
> Of the affordable Diesel Fuel elsewhere .
>
> I saw branded Gasoline @ $4.09 in richy-rich Palos Verdes Sunday but no price reduction on Diesel fuel anywhere .
>
> I'm down to 1/2 tank and waiting , hoping it'll drop a few pennies soon .
>
> -Nate

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[diesel_mercedes] New timing chain?

 

I have an 82 300D; I'm getting different stories from different mechanics. One says my Timing chain should be changed every 100,000 miles as precaution because "if it goes there goes my engine". Another is saying that he's never seen one of these go in a Mercedes diesel so there is nothing to worry about. Who should I listen to? Also it needs an Oil Cooler should I get a new one or is a good salvage yard part ok?

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: fuel mileage check 1984 300sd

 

  Thanks Don, great answer for Chuck,,   guys,, I have seen many an engine, self destruct when the timing belt, chain or gears fail due to high mileage, but there are not that many interference engines now days.
 
   When an interference engine does self destruct, normally the whole engine is just junk iron, except for the injection pump, alternator an starter, an smaller parts.  One or more valves tend to go thru its companion piston, swelling it, an cracking the cylinder block, an often the cylinder head too.
 
  Engine techs or Enginemen call that a piston trying to swallow a valve, that swarms the engine. The valve an piston try the basic law of physics, that says that two items cannot occupy the same space at the same time.
 
  Many of the older small engines, mostly 4 cylinder, used rubber belts for timing / driving the valve train, these belts had teeth that would shed from age, an wear, resulting in a destroyed engine, at maybe only 60,000 miles, thus we tended to change the belts at 50,000 as a normal PM an sort of insurance against an angry car owner.
 
   Chains are much better, they have tension arms, spring loaded that hold the chain in adjustment automatically, along with nice chain guides, but they too wear out.
   Sometimes on  Diesels, the oil pump is also driven by a chain, that is a part of the valve chain system, thus with wear excessive its a two part threat to the continued life of the engine.
 
 Not sure about Mercedes, not yet all that familiar with the overall design of the engine systems, yet, have not worked professionally on Mercedes, just minor maint. items in the past 6 years since I have owned my 300d an SD. 
  Valve timing failure is about the same as when the SD turbo sucks in water, thru a failed air intake hose, an the engine self destructs, happens all the time here in the Texas Gulf Coast area, during flooding, an normally the whole car is junked, many are crushed too. 
 
 Good low mile used engines for such old cars is almost impossible to buy, an sometimes they will sell for up to 2 or 3 K, depending on who is selling it.
  I will not risk my cherry engine past 200K, will change the timing chain early next year, when I reach that mileage, my 300d is too important to my financial health at this time, after 11 years of fixed income, being retired.  
  Have a great weekend, the Texas weather is wonderful now.
    Doug,  East of Houston,  '78 300SD garage queen, '81 300d daily driver,   Diesel fuel  $3.69 now, gone down 30 cents this month.  

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