[diesel_mercedes] Re: Repairing Mary (1983 w123 300d)

 

Brian, I stand beside you in spirit. I ache for days when I do some tasks, and sometimes find I have not even fixed the problem.

Chuck

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "brian's 83 300d's" <bstromsoe@...> wrote:
>
> It hurt to do it, but I've decided certain "under the carriage" repairs and replacements are too heavy duty for my old body to undertake, so I will let Mike the Mechanic take his pound of flesh when necessary. I will handle the "up top" stuff and exterior stuff, but today it was Mikes turn to (a) replace the starter & solenoid, (b) replace the passenger side rear axle, and (c) let me know I need an A/C compressor. The pound of flesh was $950 and I think it was worth it because I have to put 1,000 miles on the beast. On the other hand, $500 labor could have been saved if I had done it myself. But, on the other hand, it was raining and a lousy day out. So, there are trade offs in life. Today, the mechanic won. Maybe tomorrow I will chalk up the win.
>
> brian from laverne
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D

 

And I just posted some pics in "Brians Monovalve Repair"
 
brian from la verne, ca

From: n61cm <jim@tazwade.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:33 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D

 
Found this:

http://mbdieseldiy.tripod.com/monovalve.htm

Exploded view photo:

http://mbdieseldiy.tripod.com/images/11a.jpg

Jim

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@...> wrote:
>
> As I recall, things can be put back incorrectly. I seem to remember putting that heavy washer in wrongly once. Suggest you get a blowup of the diagram, or look at one that is working, or take one apart at a PAP. Heck, I may even take my wifes apart tomorrow morning. Seems to me I have some pics on Picasa too, or even in this groups photo spread. Look here for "Brians xxx" as I posted 10 or 12 fix it pics in the past.
>
>  
> brian from la verne, ca
>
>



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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D

 

I think I am going to install a Home Depot plumbing valve at the same time I do the monovalve repair. If the monovalve (when working) shuts off the coolant flow, I don't see how any other valve shutting off the same flow through the same area could damage anything. Next summer I plan to have a/c, by golly.

Jim

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Lost but making good time." <aldridgetony97@...> wrote:
>
> I cheated on mine, while I was waiting to get to a PaP (rare beasts hereabouts) I put a ball valve between the pump and valve. That let me shut off the water in summer. Now I have a good MV I just leave the valve open.
> Incase leaving the valve shut for the summer was hard on the heater water pump, I carry a spare water pump too, courtesy $5.00 @ PaP.
>
> ---

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D

 

Found this:

http://mbdieseldiy.tripod.com/monovalve.htm

Exploded view photo:

http://mbdieseldiy.tripod.com/images/11a.jpg

Jim

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@...> wrote:
>
> As I recall, things can be put back incorrectly. I seem to remember putting that heavy washer in wrongly once. Suggest you get a blowup of the diagram, or look at one that is working, or take one apart at a PAP. Heck, I may even take my wifes apart tomorrow morning. Seems to me I have some pics on Picasa too, or even in this groups photo spread. Look here for "Brians xxx" as I posted 10 or 12 fix it pics in the past.
>
>  
> brian from la verne, ca
>
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D

 

Nothing in pix here under the "Brians" headers. If you take yours apart please let me know where you find the wacky wavy washer.

Thanks,

Jim

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@...> wrote:
>
> As I recall, things can be put back incorrectly. I seem to remember putting that heavy washer in wrongly once. Suggest you get a blowup of the diagram, or look at one that is working, or take one apart at a PAP. Heck, I may even take my wifes apart tomorrow morning. Seems to me I have some pics on Picasa too, or even in this groups photo spread. Look here for "Brians xxx" as I posted 10 or 12 fix it pics in the past.
>
>  
> brian from la verne, ca
>
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Throttle Linkage

 

Or you could do what one person here does, leave 'er wide open unless the car is parked.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Alan Boucher <alstheone@...> wrote:
>
> On 10/6/2011 5:28 PM, brian's 83 300d's wrote:
> >
> > Someone was asking about throttle linkage adjustment. Keep your eye on
> > that thing marked #34. It can be a bad apple.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/3tsxcql
> >
> > brian from laverne
> >
> >
> I ended up putting a hydraulic throttle on a 240D that the floor had
> rotted out on. It wasn't entirely successful because it was a cheap
> package that required frequent bleeding. I think it was meant for drag
> cars where a few to the floor pedal actions were all that were required
> versus the usual play of daily driving.
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D

 

I cheated on mine, while I was waiting to get to a PaP (rare beasts hereabouts) I put a ball valve between the pump and valve. That let me shut off the water in summer. Now I have a good MV I just leave the valve open.
Incase leaving the valve shut for the summer was hard on the heater water pump, I carry a spare water pump too, courtesy $5.00 @ PaP.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Alan Boucher <alstheone@...> wrote:
>
> On 10/6/2011 5:01 PM, BStromsoe wrote:
> > As I recall, things can be put back incorrectly. I seem to remember
> > putting that heavy washer in wrongly once. Suggest you get a blowup of
> > the diagram, or look at one that is working, or take one apart at a
> > PAP. Heck, I may even take my wifes apart tomorrow morning. Seems to
> > me I have some pics on Picasa too, or even in this groups photo
> > spread. Look here for "Brians xxx" as I posted 10 or 12 fix it pics in
> > the past.
> > brian from la verne, ca
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* n61cm <jim@...>
> > *To:* diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:26 PM
> > *Subject:* [diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D
> >
> > That's another thing I'm wondering about. I'm always a bit concerned
> > about putting things back the way they came apart -- if they had
> > previously been taken apart and put together by someone else who
> > didn't know what they were doing. Maybe two years isn't unusual
> > failure for this part but I think it's premature, which makes me
> > wonder if it was installed incorrectly or something, although from
> > what I can tell, it would be hard to install it incorrectly, unless
> > that wavy washer can be put in the wrong place (or left off entirely).
> > As far as I can tell, the first one lasted 30 years, but who
> > knows...maybe they just break a lot. They are certainly sold
> > everywhere, that's for sure. Any difference in brands? Maybe I should
> > buy a $40 Indian Bosch vs $26 Chinese alt brand.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Only if the previous installer was not paying attention and did a
> > lousy job. Pop it open (4 screws and 5 minutes) and look.
> > >
> > > Â
> > > brian from la verne, ca
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: n61cm <jim@>
> > > To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:50 AM
> > > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Thanks for the info. But do the guts of these valves ever get
> > corroded so much that a new valve won't seat properly and thus allow
> > coolant to leak through continuously?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com>, audiolaw@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jim,
> > > >
> > > > Monovalves are among the easiest service tasks that you can do. The
> > > > valve is easy to find and work on on the 123 (much easier than on
> > the 126).
> > > >
> > > > You can either replace just the active part, by removing the four
> > > > screws on the top of the valve body and lifting it out (remember
> > to unplug it
> > > > first. Then drop a 'new' one in, reinstall the screws, connect the
> > plug and
> > > > you're good to go.
> > > >
> > > > Or you can pull the whole thing by unplugging, then disconnecting the
> > > > water hoses, then dismounting. Install the 'new' one.
> > > >
> > > > I say 'new' instead of new, because these are easily pulled from cars
> > > > in P-a-P yards. You can open the valve up (remove the four screws)
> > and see
> > > > if the rubber is OK, and see if the channels look clean or clogged.
> > > > CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP. And good exercise walking the yard.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 10/6/2011 7:01:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > > jim@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Howdy, the monovalve on my 84 300D lets coolant through all the
> > time, never
> > > > completely shuts it off, raises the air temp 10 - 15 degrees at its
> > > > coldest setting when it should be shut off. The valve was replaced
> > a couple years
> > > > ago by a Mercedes shop. Seems too soon for it to have gone bad,
> > but who
> > > > knows.... I see that those valves have rubber washers or o-rings
> > or whatever
> > > > rubber parts on them to create the seal to stop the flow of
> > coolant, and
> > > > was wondering if there is a seat inside the monovalve housing that
> > could be
> > > > pitted or corroded that could be causing the rubber parts of the
> > valve to
> > > > not seal properly. I have never taken one of these apart. Any
> > advice is
> > > > appreciated. I'd like to fix this once and be done with it for a
> > while.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > > jim@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Howdy, the monovalve on my 84 300D lets coolant through all the
> > time, never
> > > > completely shuts it off, raises the air temp 10 - 15 degrees at its
> > > > coldest setting when it should be shut off. The valve was replaced
> > a couple years
> > > > ago by a Mercedes shop. Seems too soon for it to have gone bad,
> > but who
> > > > knows.... I see that those valves have rubber washers or o-rings
> > or whatever
> > > > rubber parts on them to create the seal to stop the flow of
> > coolant, and
> > > > was wondering if there is a seat inside the monovalve housing that
> > could be
> > > > pitted or corroded that could be causing the rubber parts of the
> > valve to
> > > > not seal properly. I have never taken one of these apart. Any
> > advice is
> > > > appreciated. I'd like to fix this once and be done with it for a
> > while.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > > jim@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Howdy, the monovalve on my 84 300D lets coolant through all the
> > time, never
> > > > completely shuts it off, raises the air temp 10 - 15 degrees at its
> > > > coldest setting when it should be shut off. The valve was replaced
> > a couple years
> > > > ago by a Mercedes shop. Seems too soon for it to have gone bad,
> > but who
> > > > knows.... I see that those valves have rubber washers or o-rings
> > or whatever
> > > > rubber parts on them to create the seal to stop the flow of
> > coolant, and
> > > > was wondering if there is a seat inside the monovalve housing that
> > could be
> > > > pitted or corroded that could be causing the rubber parts of the
> > valve to
> > > > not seal properly. I have never taken one of these apart. Any
> > advice is
> > > > appreciated. I'd like to fix this once and be done with it for a
> > while.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > > jim@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Howdy, the monovalve on my 84 300D lets coolant through all the
> > time, never
> > > > completely shuts it off, raises the air temp 10 - 15 degrees at its
> > > > coldest setting when it should be shut off. The valve was replaced
> > a couple years
> > > > ago by a Mercedes shop. Seems too soon for it to have gone bad,
> > but who
> > > > knows.... I see that those valves have rubber washers or o-rings
> > or whatever
> > > > rubber parts on them to create the seal to stop the flow of
> > coolant, and
> > > > was wondering if there is a seat inside the monovalve housing that
> > could be
> > > > pitted or corroded that could be causing the rubber parts of the
> > valve to
> > > > not seal properly. I have never taken one of these apart. Any
> > advice is
> > > > appreciated. I'd like to fix this once and be done with it for a
> > while.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Putting things back the way they came apart takes all of the fun out of
> life.
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D

 

On 10/6/2011 5:01 PM, BStromsoe wrote:

 
As I recall, things can be put back incorrectly. I seem to remember putting that heavy washer in wrongly once. Suggest you get a blowup of the diagram, or look at one that is working, or take one apart at a PAP. Heck, I may even take my wifes apart tomorrow morning. Seems to me I have some pics on Picasa too, or even in this groups photo spread. Look here for "Brians xxx" as I posted 10 or 12 fix it pics in the past.
 
brian from la verne, ca

From: n61cm <jim@tazwade.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:26 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D

 
That's another thing I'm wondering about. I'm always a bit concerned about putting things back the way they came apart -- if they had previously been taken apart and put together by someone else who didn't know what they were doing. Maybe two years isn't unusual failure for this part but I think it's premature, which makes me wonder if it was installed incorrectly or something, although from what I can tell, it would be hard to install it incorrectly, unless that wavy washer can be put in the wrong place (or left off entirely). As far as I can tell, the first one lasted 30 years, but who knows...maybe they just break a lot. They are certainly sold everywhere, that's for sure. Any difference in brands? Maybe I should buy a $40 Indian Bosch vs $26 Chinese alt brand.

Jim

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@...> wrote:
>
> Only if the previous installer was not paying attention and did a lousy job. Pop it open (4 screws and 5 minutes) and look.
>
>  
> brian from la verne, ca
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: n61cm <jim@...>
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:50 AM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Monovalve repair 84 300D
>
>
>  
> Thanks for the info. But do the guts of these valves ever get corroded so much that a new valve won't seat properly and thus allow coolant to leak through continuously?
>
> Jim
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@ wrote:
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Monovalves are among the easiest service tasks that you can do. The
> > valve is easy to find and work on on the 123 (much easier than on the 126).
> >
> > You can either replace just the active part, by removing the four
> > screws on the top of the valve body and lifting it out (remember to unplug it
> > first. Then drop a 'new' one in, reinstall the screws, connect the plug and
> > you're good to go.
> >
> > Or you can pull the whole thing by unplugging, then disconnecting the
> > water hoses, then dismounting. Install the 'new' one.
> >
> > I say 'new' instead of new, because these are easily pulled from cars
> > in P-a-P yards. You can open the valve up (remove the four screws) and see
> > if the rubber is OK, and see if the channels look clean or clogged.
> > CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP. And good exercise walking the yard.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/6/2011 7:01:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > jim@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Howdy, the monovalve on my 84 300D lets coolant through all the time, never
> > completely shuts it off, raises the air temp 10 - 15 degrees at its
> > coldest setting when it should be shut off. The valve was replaced a couple years
> > ago by a Mercedes shop. Seems too soon for it to have gone bad, but who
> > knows.... I see that those valves have rubber washers or o-rings or whatever
> > rubber parts on them to create the seal to stop the flow of coolant, and
> > was wondering if there is a seat inside the monovalve housing that could be
> > pitted or corroded that could be causing the rubber parts of the valve to
> > not seal properly. I have never taken one of these apart. Any advice is
> > appreciated. I'd like to fix this once and be done with it for a while.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
>
> Pacific Daylight Time,
> > jim@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Howdy, the monovalve on my 84 300D lets coolant through all the time, never
> > completely shuts it off, raises the air temp 10 - 15 degrees at its
> > coldest setting when it should be shut off. The valve was replaced a couple years
> > ago by a Mercedes shop. Seems too soon for it to have gone bad, but who
> > knows.... I see that those valves have rubber washers or o-rings or whatever
> > rubber parts on them to create the seal to stop the flow of coolant, and
> > was wondering if there is a seat inside the monovalve housing that could be
> > pitted or corroded that could be causing the rubber parts of the valve to
> > not seal properly. I have never taken one of these apart. Any advice is
> > appreciated. I'd like to fix this once and be done with it for a while.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
> >
>

Pacific Daylight Time,
> > jim@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Howdy, the monovalve on my 84 300D lets coolant through all the time, never
> > completely shuts it off, raises the air temp 10 - 15 degrees at its
> > coldest setting when it should be shut off. The valve was replaced a couple years
> > ago by a Mercedes shop. Seems too soon for it to have gone bad, but who
> > knows.... I see that those valves have rubber washers or o-rings or whatever
> > rubber parts on them to create the seal to stop the flow of coolant, and
> > was wondering if there is a seat inside the monovalve housing that could be
> > pitted or corroded that could be causing the rubber parts of the valve to
> > not seal properly. I have never taken one of these apart. Any advice is
> > appreciated. I'd like to fix this once and be done with it for a while.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
>
> Pacific Daylight Time,
> > jim@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Howdy, the monovalve on my 84 300D lets coolant through all the time, never
> > completely shuts it off, raises the air temp 10 - 15 degrees at its
> > coldest setting when it should be shut off. The valve was replaced a couple years
> > ago by a Mercedes shop. Seems too soon for it to have gone bad, but who
> > knows.... I see that those valves have rubber washers or o-rings or whatever
> > rubber parts on them to create the seal to stop the flow of coolant, and
> > was wondering if there is a seat inside the monovalve housing that could be
> > pitted or corroded that could be causing the rubber parts of the valve to
> > not seal properly. I have never taken one of these apart. Any advice is
> > appreciated. I'd like to fix this once and be done with it for a while.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
> >
>



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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Throttle Linkage

 

On 10/6/2011 5:28 PM, brian's 83 300d's wrote:

 

Someone was asking about throttle linkage adjustment. Keep your eye on that thing marked #34. It can be a bad apple.

http://tinyurl.com/3tsxcql

brian from laverne

I ended up putting a hydraulic throttle on a 240D that the floor had rotted out on.  It wasn't entirely successful because it was a cheap package that required frequent bleeding.  I think it was meant for drag cars where a few to the floor pedal actions were all that were required versus the usual play of daily driving.

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[diesel_mercedes] Throttle Linkage

 

Someone was asking about throttle linkage adjustment. Keep your eye on that thing marked #34. It can be a bad apple.

http://tinyurl.com/3tsxcql

brian from laverne

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