Diesel RVs: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED

Perhaps every year or so I lose control and speak the truth, for which I apologize. I don't intend to argue about it.

bk

--- On Sun, 6/10/12, audiolaw@aol.com <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:

From: audiolaw@aol.com <audiolaw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 5:35 PM

Brian:

    I presume that you are aware that most of the coal we mine is shipped to China and other customers, who are willing to pay more than U.S. companies pay? I presume that you also know that the U.S. government, under Bush and under Obama has taken no steps to stop this export of coal resources?

    Why, then, blame Obama? What has Obama DONE about coal, in contrast to his campaign promises?

    "Resource extraction"? Do you mean things like the BP / Halliburton escapade with the Deep Water Horizon well? Is that your idea of proper "resource extraction"?

    Or, are you referring to the fact that we are extracting much more DOMESTIC natural gas and other oil products under the current administration than we did under ANY previous president.

    Or are you referring, perhaps to the pipeline designed to carry CANADIAN tar sands oil from CANADA to the U.S. gulf coast refineries for EXPORT to FOREIGN consumers?

    We do have FACTS, rather than accusations against an easy to hate black President. The facts by EVERY source are that we have such a surplus of gasoline that we are now a net EXPORTER, and that the oil industry keeps consumer prices high, despite that surplus. How would you say President Obama is responsible for that oil industry conspiracy? Or of the "Evil George Bush or the Tea Party"?

Tom

ps:    Are you able to cite to even a SINGLE source of anyone other than rightwing writers referring to President Obama as "The One"?

In a message dated 6/10/2012 9:07:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, briankk@att.net writes:

So, after a couple of generations of "education" under disciples of Bill Ayers, the electorate elects The One as president of the United States.

The One immediately attacks resource extraction, shuts down drilling, promises to put big coal out of business. A few years later, the electorate is looking for someone to blame for $4.50/ga fuel, and deprived of mirrors, I guess, decides it's either the fault of Evil George Bush, or the Tea Party.

We are doomed....

bk

--- On Sat, 6/9/12, audiolaw@aol.com <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:

From: audiolaw@aol.com <audiolaw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 6:18 PM

    Yeah! 2-4% is the best we can do with both wind and solar, particularly here in So. Cal.

    I saw a news story recently that Germany has actually achieved 50% of its energy needs from solar and other alternative energy sources.

    But Germany is so different from So. Cal.

    For one thing, they're so much closer to the equator! So they have so much more sunlight energy to work with.

    And they pay their unionized workers much more than we pay our unionized workers and MUCH MUCH more than we pay our non-unionized workers (so they get workers actually contributing ideas and thinking to products and processes).

    And because all their children are actually EDUCATED in public schools, instead of just being warehoused there, INCLUDING the children of all the immigrant workers that come to Germany for good jobs, they have much more intellectual talent to draw on to improve their society.

    And because their workers and workers' families all have health care, they don't have people losing work or thinking time waiting in line for medical attention, and they are healthier overall and better able to think about innovative energy development and usage.

    But that's alright, as long as our industrial leaders keep raking in profits (which they can park overseas) and our middle class keeps having declining incomes (in real dollars) it's just fine for us to be convinced that 2-4% is the best we can do. That just proves that we are so much 'freer' than those unlucky Germans. (Sigh - when will they ever learn to make a decent car in that country?)

In a message dated 6/9/2012 6:03:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brad_macaboy1234@yahoo.com writes:

Gas will be back around $2.50 in November, my prediction.

I like the idea of wind and solar, but it can only produce about 2-4% energy of our needs from what I understand. Diesel and longer chain hydrocarbons are the energy source for most large scale transpo. Natural gas is taking a beating, now.

--- On Sat, 6/9/12, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 2:34 PM

It's i9n Venezuela. When I was there in 2003, it was $0.30 per liter

brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K) Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's

From: Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED

I see where crude oil has dropped to $84 / barrel , so where the crap is our $2.50 Fuel ? .

When it was $5.00 / barrel , Diesel briefly jumped to $5.00 / gallon in Cali.

Just this morning I saw $3.79 / gallon branded Diesel fuel , Gasoline is still $4.05 .

-Nate