Very easy. Lots of YouTube vids to show the setup. If u have access to junk parts, such as drum, 1/2 hp elect motor, access to someone who welds to put a few fittings on the barrel, etc., a nice mid size centrifuge is only about $300. Complete kits from sources like PABiodiesel that lists on eBay and other sites is about $1,300 to $1,500. As you can see, the cent is a fraction of that if you can scrounge the rest yourself and able to DIY. The debate on veg effects on engines will go on forever. I'm a firm believer that if cleaned with a cent, 5 micron filter near motor as additional precaution ( that also is rated to trap moisture), heated to 180-200 when hitting injectors, plus starting and stopping on diesel with engine up to normal temp first, etc., any lost engine life, if even provable, is not even measurable to the thousands saved by not buying much diesel. Sometimes I will run about 10% diesel in the veg tank just for grins, especially in winter. 1 gal of diesel per ten of veg won't kill the wallet.
Anyone that's wants to do this, the hardest part is always finding a veg source. Most restaurants are only paid 10-20 cents per gallon. Some nothing. Local codes for your containers, hauling, etc. is the real issues
Anyone that's wants to do this, the hardest part is always finding a veg source. Most restaurants are only paid 10-20 cents per gallon. Some nothing. Local codes for your containers, hauling, etc. is the real issues
Type of veg is important also. Any type of reg veg is fine. Stay away if label says " hydrogenated or partially Hydroginated". White milky looking stuff they are trying to outlaw. Plugs your heart arteries and will kill a diesel. Converting it to biodiesel is ok (a lot lost though so better be free) but a centrifuge can't make it safe. Chinese oil best since natural veg and little animal fats from cooking. Mom and pop steak and burger joints will contain more animal fats. It will work ok but pure veg oil with little animal fat is gold for diesels. We know that regular oil changes, tune ups, etc., go a long way in extending any engines life. Running veg in diesel is no different. The more of these things you do, the less damage, if any, will happen.
Mike Glavin
Mike, I want you to move to the Los Angeles area, and share your stuff.brian from laverne, ca
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1983 w123 300d's
From: Mike Glavin <magconsulting2@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines
I too have run veg oil and believe it to be as good as diesel if done right. Mine is run through a centrifuge that claims to filter out particles less than a micron. Regular oil filters are only about 25 microns. It has an engine coolant heat exchanger in the spare tank in the trunk and a electric heated 5 micron filter before it enters the injectors. I start on diesel and don't switch over until engine coolant is at full temp. About a minute or so before I get to where I'm going, I switch back to diesel to flush the injectors. The 82 300D runs better on veg than diesel. Probably because the cetane level in veg is generally better than diesel. My cost is what ever I pay for the veg and electric for a 2 hour run of a 1/2 hp elect motor and single water heater element per 55 gallons cleaned. Centrifuge is mounted on top on 55 gal barrel. Veg is pumped from the bottom into the cent at 90 psi via the motor. Heating element is inserted into the side of drum with a similar threaded port as a water heater. I have it on a 220 cable that plugs into my dryer outlet. I pick up the veg. Pour through a strainer as I fill the drum. When full I plug in the heater. Come back in about an hour and if it 180-200 deg, I unplug heat and turn on the pump. Come back in 2 hours which equals about 4 passes of oil through the cent. The temp cooks off moisture and thins the oil so dirt can be spun out in the cent. 55 gal of near see through oil no matter the color going in. Unscrew the cover to the cent, wipe out the sludge with a shop rag, good to go another drum. Not counting pickup, about 20 min invested per 55 gal
Mike Glavin573-338-6539
Yes Lawrence but 99 % of the people who go in for veggie oil do so because they're cheap and lazy , too much so to properly convert the car or prepare the fuel .
Them's the _facts_ Jack ~ you don't have to like 'em , I don't .
Were I not so lazy , I'd prolly go this route because I'm ' Yankee Thrifty ' (means : CHEAP) . but cheap fuel until I destroy my car , isn't good long term cheaposity , knowhutimean ? .
-Nate
Lawrence wrote :
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> But for the rust I'da bought it and fixed it for resale as the poor
> running is almost certainly caused by crappo filthy veggie oil .
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> Yes Nate we know you don't like veg oil in diesels.....but I have been doing this for 10 years. Works for me and I just got back from a round trip San Francisco to Redlands with no incidents. I've had diesels that have run smooth and start right up. It's hard. If there is one little leak you will have hard starting and rough running for a minute or so. It's not for everyone but someone like you would figure it out. You must have electric line heaters & water based heat exchanger. The temp of my oil is 200 degrees F. just before going into the cylinders. Do I have blow by? Yes. I drove one 240 like this for over 100,000 miles and it had over 300k on the clock to begin with. The car ran better when I sold it than it did when I bought it. BTW my oil with just filtering using old blue jeans looks like it came out of the bottle. Lawrence Rhodes.....300TD...Might be selling soon to get our second electric car....If I sell I will
> include all my veggie sources....
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