You are right i thought you where taking issue with running biodiesel
in general, sorry. As you probably know, using salt in making
biodiesel is only one of the ways to make it, most people that make
biodiesel don't use salt.
I know that running on old discarded veggie oil is the best way to go,
but for some reason I am not interested in doing the conversion to my
car, and I don't wont the second fuel tank taking up my trunk.... so
biodiesel is the best bet for me. I changed the fuel lines and have
been running biodiesel for about a year now. I bought my 240D so I
could run biodiesel. So far it's worked out great.
All biodiesel that I know of is made out of waste oil, biodiesel is
just one more step in the process.
Steve
On Jan 21, 2008 5:02 PM, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I am inspired by all the biodiesel discussion. Not quite inspired enough to
> do anything about converting yet, but inspired enough to think about doing
> it. So, keep the chatter up cause one of these days I may "convert" - matter
> of fact, any more fill ups at $3.50 per US gallon and my inspiration level
> really drops. Every time I fill up I think about my Social Security increase
> that started in January - cause I spend it and more at the pump.
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> brian
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> Karl Järnhammer <jernhammer@ystad.nu> wrote:
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> Steve Schaefer wrote:
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> The point is
> that Biodiesel burns something like 95% cleaner then
> diesel and if that's not good enough you can get your fuel cost down
> to less then a $1.00 a Gallon. On top of that Biodiesel lubricates
> better then diesel so it's better for your car.
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> with all the benefits it seems worth looking in to.
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> Steve,
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> Sorry - that's not the point.
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> The point is:
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> Will a salt agitation and a filtering process convert vegetable oil 'into'
> biodiesel. It seems unsurprisingly that it will not, in spite of some
> fictive nomenclature and some strange drawings of a weird molecular
> structure. It will though, no doubt, sell a few buckets and magic beads. The
> purveyors of the process never actually claim to be making biodiesel, they
> do however try to put it over as a viable compression engine alternative
> fuel. Of course even though the compression engine, now denominated the
> diesel engine, was originally designed to run on vegetable oil, most people
> have lost sight of that. So, basically what they are doing is messing
> unnecessarily with veggie oil diluting it with 'orrible fossil diesel and
> adding salt, then after thrashing the begeebies out of the mix and leaving
> it to settle they're filtering the good looking portion through their magic
> beans and - viola - you got filtered veggie oil with some dino diesel mixed
> in.
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> I wont take issue with you on your percentages as true emission statistics
> are readily available these days. What is confusing though is the lack of
> awareness on the environmental cost involved in the actual manufacture of so
> called bio fuels. In The US it has become viable to convert corn into
> ethanol for fuel, even though the energy required to produce 1 unit of
> ethanol energy derived from corn is some 90% of it's potential capacity -
> depending on how it is produced and even combusted.
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> If you are looking for the best (even the most wallet friendly) and most
> environmentally beneficial fuel right now then go for wvo (waste vegetable
> oil) it's done it's job and paid it's dues, use it again. It is Co2 neutral,
> more or less. No heavy metals. No spill risk - etc. Don't buy a new car
> (making one costs a lot of energy as does junking the old one).
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> Biodiesel does lubricate a bit better than dino but it eats rubber and
> flushes your tank and lines - you should be aware of this.
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> If you want to drive on desulfured (less lubrication) Dino add a little
> veggie like the truckers do.
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> Or just re use old discarded veggie oil as your main and best environmental
> choice, I even get paid to haul it away sometimes =-O
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> Best wishes
> KJ
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> On Jan 21, 2008 8:35 AM, Karl Järnhammer <jernhammer@ystad.nu> wrote:
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> Thanks for going to all this trouble, I have had problems with the concept
> from the beginning. If the whole idea is to lower the viscosity of veggie
> then why not just filter and heat? Of course diluting veggie with fossil
> diesel either before or after filtering will 'runny up' the veggie to some
> extent if it's not too cold where you live and if your veggie is not too
> contaminated - even so, I just can't see the point. Bio diesel it aint! /KJ
> Nate wrote: > O.K. guys and gals, as for me I won't buy into this new thing
> salt > cracking. For one after seperation the salt does not fall to the >
> bottom.Biodiesel part is still salty.I think that is why they ask you > to
> mix with 10% diesel,so you won't taste it.So I'm not taking chances >
> rusting my injector pump,or pistons up. > If you what to make biodiesel
> the old way is safer for the engine. > Glad I could help. TN Nate > > > > >
> Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
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> brian from la verne, ca
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