Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: 300D electrical gremlins

 

On 2/2/2012 6:44 PM, Lost but making good time. wrote:

 

I think Tom is right, that is the cruise module, I swapped mine for a PAP one and cruise worked better for a while. But it just failed again. I have the old module apart, and cannot see any obvious damage, someone said to solder the copper bar connections, would that help?
Cruise is important to me because of back issues.
Tony

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> I believe that that is the infamous cruise control amplifier module that
> ALWAYS fails.
>
> Doesn't have anything to do with horn, lights, etc.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2012 5:34:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> alstheone@... writes:
>
> It's the small aluminum box with a tab on the top screwed to a bracket
> just to the right of the parking brake mount under the dash. It has 10 pins
> for the plug on the bottom. the P/N 001 545 52 32 is etched into the face.
>

Actually Mercedes thinks otherwise, they call it a warning module in their Electrical Trouble Shooting Manual.  The cruise control amplifier is mounted lower and to the right.  Performance products calls it a seat belt relay., but I'd really prefer to not drop a $100 on them since I'm not completely sure that it is the problem.  I'm looking for a used one for less.  Plan C is to pry it apart, but I've got too much going on to play that game right now.  It's my daughter's car and I've suggested that she use her violin in place of the nonworking horn.  The part number again is 001 545 52 32.

Thanks

Al Boucher

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: 300D electrical gremlins

 

Yo Max, the days are getting longer, so probably in your neck o the woods, in about 2 months.
Tony.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "max_stemple" <jasperezra@...> wrote:
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> Hey Tony, you still kicking? Winter fizzeled out. It's safe to come home now. Max
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Lost but making good time." <aldridgetony97@> wrote:
> >
> > I think Tom is right, that is the cruise module, I swapped mine for a PAP one and cruise worked better for a while. But it just failed again. I have the old module apart, and cannot see any obvious damage, someone said to solder the copper bar connections, would that help?
> > Cruise is important to me because of back issues.
> > Tony
> >
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Old Fuel

 

Crap, I must of just woke from a long winters nap. My generator has been starting hard lately. I realized my diesel fuel is old, some maybe 5 years old. I call my distributor and asked how long they figure it's good for, they say 2 years. O crap, I've had some of this batch for like 5 years, I used to buy a lot of fuel. I still have about 400 gallons. It still works but the cetane tends to evaporate out. I guess I will go back to driving my cars till I run out. max

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: 300D electrical gremlins

 

Tom, Thank you for the tip. What do you think the chances are of finding a tech able to go over the board at some reasonable cost? It is over my head here in Mazatlan, my old eyes and shaky hands y'know.
Tony

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
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> Tony,
>
> this type of circuit card is "wave soldered", in a machine that takes
> the card, populated with all the parts, and runs it into a machine holding
> the card above a pool of molten solder. the machine has a ram at one end
> of the pool that generates a wave on the solder surface, high enough to wash
> the non-component side of the board. Where the board has component leads
> coming through solder pads, the solder adheres and makes (hopefully) solid
> connections.
>
> Such connections are quite fine, thin layers of solder. Therefore,
> regular automobile vibrations can cause them to flex and break over time.
> But the breaks can be very fine and invisible to most eyes.
>
> The solution to these breaks is to take a fine soldering iron and
> rewet EACH solder point on the board (being careful to NOT short between any
> traces!!). Almost by definition, the process of rewetting the connections
> will lead you to add more solder than was originally there, thereby reducing
> the possibility of repeated cracks (but also increasing the possibility of
> shorts across adjacent traces - IF you aren't careful).
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2012 3:44:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> aldridgetony97@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> I think Tom is right, that is the cruise module, I swapped mine for a PAP
> one and cruise worked better for a while. But it just failed again. I have
> the old module apart, and cannot see any obvious damage, someone said to
> solder the copper bar connections, would that help?
> Cruise is important to me because of back issues.
> Tony
>
> --- In _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) , audiolaw@ wrote:
> >
> > I believe that that is the infamous cruise control amplifier module that
> > ALWAYS fails.
> >
> > Doesn't have anything to do with horn, lights, etc.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/2/2012 5:34:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > alstheone@ writes:
> >
> > It's the small aluminum box with a tab on the top screwed to a bracket
> > just to the right of the parking brake mount under the dash. It has 10
> pins
> > for the plug on the bottom. the P/N 001 545 52 32 is etched into the
> face.
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: 300D electrical gremlins

 

Hey Tony, you still kicking? Winter fizzeled out. It's safe to come home now. Max

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Lost but making good time." <aldridgetony97@...> wrote:
>
> I think Tom is right, that is the cruise module, I swapped mine for a PAP one and cruise worked better for a while. But it just failed again. I have the old module apart, and cannot see any obvious damage, someone said to solder the copper bar connections, would that help?
> Cruise is important to me because of back issues.
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: 300D electrical gremlins

 

Tony, 
 
    this type of circuit card is "wave soldered", in a machine that takes the card, populated with all the parts, and runs it into a machine holding the card above a pool of molten solder.  the machine has a ram at one end of the pool that generates a wave on the solder surface, high enough to wash the non-component side of the board.  Where the board has component leads coming through solder pads, the solder adheres and makes (hopefully) solid connections. 
 
    Such connections are quite fine, thin layers of solder.  Therefore, regular automobile vibrations can cause them to flex and break over time.  But the breaks can be very fine and invisible to most eyes. 
 
    The solution to these breaks is to take a fine soldering iron and rewet EACH solder point on the board (being careful to NOT short between any traces!!).  Almost by definition, the process of rewetting the connections will lead you to add more solder than was originally there, thereby reducing the possibility of repeated cracks (but also increasing the possibility of shorts across adjacent traces - IF you aren't careful). 
 
Tom
 
 
In a message dated 2/2/2012 3:44:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, aldridgetony97@yahoo.com writes:
 

I think Tom is right, that is the cruise module, I swapped mine for a PAP one and cruise worked better for a while. But it just failed again. I have the old module apart, and cannot see any obvious damage, someone said to solder the copper bar connections, would that help?
Cruise is important to me because of back issues.
Tony

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> I believe that that is the infamous cruise control amplifier module that
> ALWAYS fails.
>
> Doesn't have anything to do with horn, lights, etc.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2012 5:34:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> alstheone@... writes:
>
> It's the small aluminum box with a tab on the top screwed to a bracket
> just to the right of the parking brake mount under the dash. It has 10 pins
> for the plug on the bottom. the P/N 001 545 52 32 is etched into the face.
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: 300D electrical gremlins

 

I think Tom is right, that is the cruise module, I swapped mine for a PAP one and cruise worked better for a while. But it just failed again. I have the old module apart, and cannot see any obvious damage, someone said to solder the copper bar connections, would that help?
Cruise is important to me because of back issues.
Tony

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> I believe that that is the infamous cruise control amplifier module that
> ALWAYS fails.
>
> Doesn't have anything to do with horn, lights, etc.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2012 5:34:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> alstheone@... writes:
>
> It's the small aluminum box with a tab on the top screwed to a bracket
> just to the right of the parking brake mount under the dash. It has 10 pins
> for the plug on the bottom. the P/N 001 545 52 32 is etched into the face.
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Our Vanishing American Carscape

 

As I recall, the Ford PU of that period wasn't well regarded.  Everybody who had REAL pickups in the late 50's drove GMC or IH..

bk

--- On Thu, 2/2/12, Chip <czulli@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Chip <czulli@gmail.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Our Vanishing American Carscape
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 2, 2012, 1:33 PM

 

I don't think Edsel came along until 1958, so that would have not impacted the 1955-1957 Fords.

I have been told that rust was a real problem during those years for Ford and that could account for the scarcity of these cars. Maybe Chevy just looked that much better and the 265 and 283 were that much better than the Y block 292 and 312. But I think won some NASCAR titles during this model run also....

It's just always been curious to me.

Chip

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, dntaskwy@... wrote:
>
> I suspect Edsel ruined Ford's image for a while.... that, along with doors
> that had terrible latching propertie..... along with .....????
>
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2012 1:29:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> czulli@... writes:
>
> maybe those years were bad steel for Ford.
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Our Vanishing American Carscape

 

oooops...... IMHO 1957-58 Ford had very clean lines and looked very good with a after market paint job.......
 
In a message dated 2/2/2012 3:33:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, czulli@gmail.com writes:
I don't think Edsel came along until 1958, so that would have not impacted the 1955-1957 Fords.

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Our Vanishing American Carscape

 

I don't think Edsel came along until 1958, so that would have not impacted the 1955-1957 Fords.

I have been told that rust was a real problem during those years for Ford and that could account for the scarcity of these cars. Maybe Chevy just looked that much better and the 265 and 283 were that much better than the Y block 292 and 312. But I think won some NASCAR titles during this model run also....

It's just always been curious to me.

Chip

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, dntaskwy@... wrote:
>
> I suspect Edsel ruined Ford's image for a while.... that, along with doors
> that had terrible latching propertie..... along with .....????
>
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2012 1:29:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> czulli@... writes:
>
> maybe those years were bad steel for Ford.
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Our Vanishing American Carscape

 

I suspect Edsel ruined Ford's image for a while.... that, along with doors that had terrible latching propertie..... along with .....????
 
In a message dated 2/2/2012 1:29:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, czulli@gmail.com writes:
maybe those years were bad steel for Ford.

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Our Vanishing American Carscape

 

Maybe it was the Y block?

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Yahoo! Member Service <tccservice111@...> wrote:
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> maybe those years were bad steel for Ford.
>
> --- On Thu, 2/2/12, Chip <czulli@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Chip <czulli@...>
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Our Vanishing American Carscape
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, February 2, 2012, 10:39 AM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> One of the great puzzlement to me in life is around what was up until a few years ago, a decent number of Chevy's from 1955-1958. But not Ford. I even think there was a year or two there when more Fords were sold than Chevy's.
>
> But Fords of those years are as scarce as hen's teeth. I can't tell you the last time I saw a Ford of those model years. But many Chevy's are still reasonable visible in our American Carscape.
>
> Why is that?
>
> Chip
> Houston
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] 300D electrical gremlins

 

    I believe that that is the infamous cruise control amplifier module that ALWAYS fails. 
 
    Doesn't have anything to do with horn, lights, etc. 
 
Tom
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/2/2012 5:34:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, alstheone@verizon.net writes:
It's the small aluminum box with a tab on the top screwed to a bracket just to the right of the parking brake mount under the dash. It has 10 pins for the plug on the bottom.  the P/N 001 545 52 32 is etched into the face.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Our Vanishing American Carscape

 

maybe those years were bad steel for Ford.

--- On Thu, 2/2/12, Chip <czulli@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Chip <czulli@gmail.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Our Vanishing American Carscape
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 2, 2012, 10:39 AM

 
One of the great puzzlement to me in life is around what was up until a few years ago, a decent number of Chevy's from 1955-1958. But not Ford. I even think there was a year or two there when more Fords were sold than Chevy's.

But Fords of those years are as scarce as hen's teeth. I can't tell you the last time I saw a Ford of those model years. But many Chevy's are still reasonable visible in our American Carscape.

Why is that?

Chip
Houston

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[diesel_mercedes] Our Vanishing American Carscape

 

One of the great puzzlement to me in life is around what was up until a few years ago, a decent number of Chevy's from 1955-1958. But not Ford. I even think there was a year or two there when more Fords were sold than Chevy's.

But Fords of those years are as scarce as hen's teeth. I can't tell you the last time I saw a Ford of those model years. But many Chevy's are still reasonable visible in our American Carscape.

Why is that?

Chip
Houston

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