Re: [diesel_mercedes] Alternate Diesel Fuels

 

The other snake in the garden was also alluded to recently: to wit, the driving habits of a person. For example, if I were driving 1000 miles per week, I would be much more interested in SVO, WVO, etc.

But, for those of us who drive 100 miles per week (or less), dino diesel works just fine and it is hard to justify the switch.
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: Bobby Yates Emory <liberty1@gmail.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Alternate Diesel Fuels

 
Boyd,

The reason for all the yada, yada:

There are two ways of looking at alternative fuels.  Your view of "how do I, personally, save money" is certainly valid.

But, if one posts about an alternative fuel and doesn't mention that there is no enough for everyone, the people looking solely at the total economy picture will object that we did not mention the small available supply.

Bobby

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Boyd Wright <bgthegreat@verizon.net> wrote:
 
Nate, I hardly believe that having fungus growing in your fuel tank, having to remove a plug and cleaning the tank screen is trouble free.  I cannot believe that mixing bio or even finding someone who sells bio, before you run out of diesel trying to get to him, is trouble free. 
Do your homework and don't listen to jibber jabber.
Can you believe it?  Do we care that there is only enough WVO to replace a fraction of yada, yada, yada?  We are just trying to find ways to get our Benz diesel around without costing an arm and a leg.  I have taken my veggie Benz on 852 mile, trouble free, round trips and I also use it selling insurance in Maryland.  Frankly, I am putting at least $200 in my pocket every month.  I have saved so much that I was able to buy an 85 300TD wagon in a little over 2 years.  I will be converting that as soon as I can.
This is just the honest opinion of a guy that has the experience of a lot of miles on his 82MB using veggie oil.
 
Boyd

From: Bobby Yates Emory <liberty1@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:37 AM

Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Alternate Diesel Fuels

 
Nate,

I agree totally that if someone wants a trouble free car, they should not experiment with unorthodox fuels.

If someone wants to experiment with unorthodox fuels, the best engine to use is our favorite MB.

Sorry I didn't comment on the Ws.

Waste Vegetable Oil must be filtered or centrifuged or allowed to settle or a combination.  It can then be used as SVO or used as a feedstock for making biodiesel.

There is only enough WVO available in the USA to replace about 1/8 of current diesel usage, so it could help our energy needs, but not enough to totally solve them.

I have not seen a plan for using Waste Motor Oil that I have confidence in.  Some people have attempted to blend it with gasoline and some of those have had disastrous results.  I believe if it were well filtered, it could be treated as SVO. but have no proof.

I don't know what volume of WMO is available, but would assume it is similar to WVO - enough to make some difference, but not enough to single handidly solve our energy problems.

Both of these do provide an opportunity to use a waste product for energy.  If someone is looking for an extreme cost cutter, they are possibilities.

Nate, you are correct, if someone wants a trouble free MB, he should stick with dino diesel plus a little bio diesel.

Bobby

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Thanx all for the clarifying comments .

In a nut shell here's is the Veggie , WVO & WMO fuel thing :

It's very time consuming to do right and you really cannot do the normal short hop , drive to work / market use 99% of all people use vehicles for so why bother ? .

Yes , it is great for the Environment and can save you serious $ over time .

But , sooner or later , the pracical realities of life will mandate that you make at least _one_ short cut and then all is lost although not immediately apparent due to the nature of Diesel combustion .

If you have nothing better to do and live far away from everything so every time you start the engine you know it'll run for minimum of 30 minutes then it'll prolly be a win - win for you .

Other (most) folks have busy daily lives and so fail in this effort .

Give it a try but then don't hine nor blame the car when it becomes an expen$ive nightmare and ruins your marriage in the process .

-Nate




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Re: [diesel_mercedes] "dead" cluster, turn signals..

 

Within the past 6 months, someone herein posted a place to obtain a third party source for a grounding cable for said elements which was inexpensive, and I believe that was all they did. The link had a picture too.

 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: "audiolaw@aol.com" <audiolaw@aol.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] "dead" cluster, turn signals..

 
    Start by looking on the back of the binnacle.  There is a multipin connector that carries, I believe, most of the gauge signal wires.  There is a printed circuit sheet that routes signals to the guages, lights, etc.  And there is a ground wire connection.  I believe, but could be remembering wrong, that the oil pressure gauge may be on a separate wire. 
 
    As with any printed circuit sheet, you need to make sure that you are getting good contacts.  Are the binnacle lights lighting?  Are the warning lights lighting (brake, glow plugs, etc.)?  If all of those are out, a bad ground is a pretty good thought. 
 
    If you want to, you can use a pencil eraser to clean the contact points on the printed circuit sheet.  DO NOT use sand paper, garnet paper or any kind of scratchy thing. 
 
    If the paint job was thorough, including the interior primer and paint after removing things like the binnacle, you may find that the ground wire is not making good contact at the BODY end.  Paint is not often a good conductor.  You may need to ensure that the body end of the ground wire has good continuity to the body. 
 
    I don't know if it's possible, but you might have gotten the oil pressure signal line and the ground wire contacts reversed, on the back of the binnacle. 
 
    A simple multimeter will allow you to test for continuity of the ground connection to various points on the printed circuit card. 
 
    OF COURSE, check to make sure that all of your fuses are in place and making good contact.  Just rotate them in their holders to polish the contact ends. 
 
Tom: '81 300SD; 360,+++ mi.; no fan (it just stopped dead)! 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/16/2012 7:59:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ajrn@hotmail.com writes:
 
My 84 300SD is ALMOST back on the road..

The body has been made rust free, then primered and re-painted..

She is beautiful! (Yes-- I will post pics)

Started the engine the yesterday-- no oil pressure gauge/temp/fuel or speedometer. *yeah, I drove it around the block* I was reasonably certain I had oil pressure.

I'm assuming there's a missing ground wire-- that would make sense of this malady??

Anyone got a place to start looking??


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Alternate Diesel Fuels

 

How about "Walter Reed" instead of Walter Somebody?
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: "audiolaw@aol.com" <audiolaw@aol.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Alternate Diesel Fuels

 
Bobby, 
 
    One might well wonder what it means to be trying to develop ways to grow algae and extract oil, if you don't know the basics of the organisms with which you are working. 
 
    cyanobacteria are indeed bacteria, of types that go back to the beginnings of life, about 3 Billion years ago.  One of the things tax payers get for their money is gene sequencing of various strains of the bacteria, which makes it possible to modify them genetically to adapt them to different feed stocks and make them produce different kinds of oil. 
 
    History is full of inventions, discoveries and innovations done by amateurs doing what "professionals" said couldn't be done.  So best of luck to you and your group and I sincerely hope that you make a breakthrough. 
 
    But also be careful.  History reminds us that Marie Curie both discovered Radium and died horribly from cancer caused by radiation exposure.  And Walter ... [something]... was a great medical scientist who worked on tropical diseases, and eventually died from the Yellow Fever that he was trying to save our troops from.  He got his name on our national medical reseach center, but died anyway. 
 
    Cyanobacteria are responsible for some of those huge algae blooms that erupt on the oceans from time to time, and kill millions of fish and mammals in the oceans.  They kill because they generate cytotoxins.  Be careful when working with them. 
 
Tom: '81 300SD; 360,+++ mi. 
 
 
In a message dated 7/16/2012 8:52:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, liberty1@gmail.com writes:
 
Tom,

Thanks for the opening for a plug.

There are a few thousand of us who are trying to develop ways to grow algae and extract oil.

We are now making small progress toward an open source solution, but have not cost the taxpayers millions.

Some of the algae are called cyanobacteria.  I am not a microbiologist so I don't know whether they are bacteria or not.

Everyone is invited to join us here:

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oil_from_algae/join>

Bobby

Bobby

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM, <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:
 
    I think a lot of this forum is guys who are old enough to "know" that them damn Japs couldn't make anything but crap.  That's what we were taught back in the 50s and early 60s.  Their crap would never amount to anything decent. 
 
    I hear a lot of the same talk about stuff made in China today. 
 
    It seems to me that focus on the instant present may distract us from noticing the actual progress of technology, quality control and other things. 
 
    For years, people have been talking about the possibility that petroleum alternatives might be generated using biology, by culturing bacteria or other organisms that produce oils.  For just as long, people have been 'knowing' that such processes can't really work, or would be too expensive, or other explanations for dismissing the technology. 
 
    Now it seems that one of the companies pursuing such processes has quielty just moved ahead with the technology.  Like the Japanese and the Chinese, the company is developing its technology, improving its production facilities and actually delivering product.  For right now, the company is cranking out oils that are essential to the perfume industry and other small consumers, rather than gasoline or diesel.  But it's a start.  They now have a contract with the Pentagon for experimental fuel oil production. 
 
    The company still loses money.  But it seems just possible that it (and probably others) are on track to develop processes to use a variety of feed stocks for production, not just WVO, sugar cane and other commonly discussed stocks.  If they succeed, then we get diesel without the friction contaminants and without the glycerin and other clogging contaminants. 
 
    (Full disclosure, the company is Solazyme and I am an investor in it.  So my enthusiasm may be shaded by that.) 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/16/2012 5:58:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, vwnate1@yahoo.com writes:
 

Although it is possible to neutralize the acidic content of WMO , I personally do not believe it's possible to get all the abrasives out and every single WMO engine I've seen , has at the very least , badly worn out injector nozzles and smokes badly after 10,000 miles or so .

I think the primary fault in alternative fuels is the time and effort .
Surely I looked into them a fair bit when Dino Diesel reached $5.00 the gallon ! . -ouch- .

When they (the big , scary THEM) decide it's in their interest to make bio or veggie fuels , I have no doubt they'll do so in mass quantities but for now , only the die hards will get to $ave $eriou$ $ on alternate fuels .

Sad to be sure but them's the facts , jack .

-Nate
Bobby wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> I agree totally that if someone wants a trouble free car, they should not
> experiment with unorthodox fuels.
>
> If someone wants to experiment with unorthodox fuels, the best engine to
> use is our favorite MB.
>
> Sorry I didn't comment on the Ws.
>
> Waste Vegetable Oil must be filtered or centrifuged or allowed to settle or
> a combination. It can then be used as SVO or used as a feedstock for
> making biodiesel.
>
> There is only enough WVO available in the USA to replace about 1/8 of
> current diesel usage, so it could help our energy needs, but not enough to
> totally solve them.
>
> I have not seen a plan for using Waste Motor Oil that I have confidence
> in. Some people have attempted to blend it with gasoline and some of those
> have had disastrous results. I believe if it were well filtered, it could
> be treated as SVO. but have no proof.
>
> I don't know what volume of WMO is available, but would assume it is
> similar to WVO - enough to make some difference, but not enough to single
> handidly solve our energy problems.
>
> Both of these do provide an opportunity to use a waste product for energy.
> If someone is looking for an extreme cost cutter, they are possibilities.
>
> Nate, you are correct, if someone wants a trouble free MB, he should stick
> with dino diesel plus a little bio diesel.
>
> Bobby
>
>




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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Alternate Diesel Fuels

 

Bobby, 
 
    One might well wonder what it means to be trying to develop ways to grow algae and extract oil, if you don't know the basics of the organisms with which you are working. 
 
    cyanobacteria are indeed bacteria, of types that go back to the beginnings of life, about 3 Billion years ago.  One of the things tax payers get for their money is gene sequencing of various strains of the bacteria, which makes it possible to modify them genetically to adapt them to different feed stocks and make them produce different kinds of oil. 
 
    History is full of inventions, discoveries and innovations done by amateurs doing what "professionals" said couldn't be done.  So best of luck to you and your group and I sincerely hope that you make a breakthrough. 
 
    But also be careful.  History reminds us that Marie Curie both discovered Radium and died horribly from cancer caused by radiation exposure.  And Walter ... [something]... was a great medical scientist who worked on tropical diseases, and eventually died from the Yellow Fever that he was trying to save our troops from.  He got his name on our national medical reseach center, but died anyway. 
 
    Cyanobacteria are responsible for some of those huge algae blooms that erupt on the oceans from time to time, and kill millions of fish and mammals in the oceans.  They kill because they generate cytotoxins.  Be careful when working with them. 
 
Tom: '81 300SD; 360,+++ mi. 
 
 
In a message dated 7/16/2012 8:52:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, liberty1@gmail.com writes:
 

Tom,

Thanks for the opening for a plug.

There are a few thousand of us who are trying to develop ways to grow algae and extract oil.

We are now making small progress toward an open source solution, but have not cost the taxpayers millions.

Some of the algae are called cyanobacteria.  I am not a microbiologist so I don't know whether they are bacteria or not.

Everyone is invited to join us here:

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oil_from_algae/join>


Bobby

Bobby

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM, <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:
 

    I think a lot of this forum is guys who are old enough to "know" that them damn Japs couldn't make anything but crap.  That's what we were taught back in the 50s and early 60s.  Their crap would never amount to anything decent. 
 
    I hear a lot of the same talk about stuff made in China today. 
 
    It seems to me that focus on the instant present may distract us from noticing the actual progress of technology, quality control and other things. 
 
    For years, people have been talking about the possibility that petroleum alternatives might be generated using biology, by culturing bacteria or other organisms that produce oils.  For just as long, people have been 'knowing' that such processes can't really work, or would be too expensive, or other explanations for dismissing the technology. 
 
    Now it seems that one of the companies pursuing such processes has quielty just moved ahead with the technology.  Like the Japanese and the Chinese, the company is developing its technology, improving its production facilities and actually delivering product.  For right now, the company is cranking out oils that are essential to the perfume industry and other small consumers, rather than gasoline or diesel.  But it's a start.  They now have a contract with the Pentagon for experimental fuel oil production. 
 
    The company still loses money.  But it seems just possible that it (and probably others) are on track to develop processes to use a variety of feed stocks for production, not just WVO, sugar cane and other commonly discussed stocks.  If they succeed, then we get diesel without the friction contaminants and without the glycerin and other clogging contaminants. 
 
    (Full disclosure, the company is Solazyme and I am an investor in it.  So my enthusiasm may be shaded by that.) 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/16/2012 5:58:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, vwnate1@yahoo.com writes:
 


Although it is possible to neutralize the acidic content of WMO , I personally do not believe it's possible to get all the abrasives out and every single WMO engine I've seen , has at the very least , badly worn out injector nozzles and smokes badly after 10,000 miles or so .

I think the primary fault in alternative fuels is the time and effort .
Surely I looked into them a fair bit when Dino Diesel reached $5.00 the gallon ! . -ouch- .

When they (the big , scary THEM) decide it's in their interest to make bio or veggie fuels , I have no doubt they'll do so in mass quantities but for now , only the die hards will get to $ave $eriou$ $ on alternate fuels .

Sad to be sure but them's the facts , jack .

-Nate
Bobby wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> I agree totally that if someone wants a trouble free car, they should not
> experiment with unorthodox fuels.
>
> If someone wants to experiment with unorthodox fuels, the best engine to
> use is our favorite MB.
>
> Sorry I didn't comment on the Ws.
>
> Waste Vegetable Oil must be filtered or centrifuged or allowed to settle or
> a combination. It can then be used as SVO or used as a feedstock for
> making biodiesel.
>
> There is only enough WVO available in the USA to replace about 1/8 of
> current diesel usage, so it could help our energy needs, but not enough to
> totally solve them.
>
> I have not seen a plan for using Waste Motor Oil that I have confidence
> in. Some people have attempted to blend it with gasoline and some of those
> have had disastrous results. I believe if it were well filtered, it could
> be treated as SVO. but have no proof.
>
> I don't know what volume of WMO is available, but would assume it is
> similar to WVO - enough to make some difference, but not enough to single
> handidly solve our energy problems.
>
> Both of these do provide an opportunity to use a waste product for energy.
> If someone is looking for an extreme cost cutter, they are possibilities.
>
> Nate, you are correct, if someone wants a trouble free MB, he should stick
> with dino diesel plus a little bio diesel.
>
> Bobby
>
>




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Re: [diesel_mercedes] "dead" cluster, turn signals..

 

    Start by looking on the back of the binnacle.  There is a multipin connector that carries, I believe, most of the gauge signal wires.  There is a printed circuit sheet that routes signals to the guages, lights, etc.  And there is a ground wire connection.  I believe, but could be remembering wrong, that the oil pressure gauge may be on a separate wire. 
 
    As with any printed circuit sheet, you need to make sure that you are getting good contacts.  Are the binnacle lights lighting?  Are the warning lights lighting (brake, glow plugs, etc.)?  If all of those are out, a bad ground is a pretty good thought. 
 
    If you want to, you can use a pencil eraser to clean the contact points on the printed circuit sheet.  DO NOT use sand paper, garnet paper or any kind of scratchy thing. 
 
    If the paint job was thorough, including the interior primer and paint after removing things like the binnacle, you may find that the ground wire is not making good contact at the BODY end.  Paint is not often a good conductor.  You may need to ensure that the body end of the ground wire has good continuity to the body. 
 
    I don't know if it's possible, but you might have gotten the oil pressure signal line and the ground wire contacts reversed, on the back of the binnacle. 
 
    A simple multimeter will allow you to test for continuity of the ground connection to various points on the printed circuit card. 
 
    OF COURSE, check to make sure that all of your fuses are in place and making good contact.  Just rotate them in their holders to polish the contact ends. 
 
Tom: '81 300SD; 360,+++ mi.; no fan (it just stopped dead)! 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/16/2012 7:59:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ajrn@hotmail.com writes:
 

My 84 300SD is ALMOST back on the road..

The body has been made rust free, then primered and re-painted..

She is beautiful! (Yes-- I will post pics)

Started the engine the yesterday-- no oil pressure gauge/temp/fuel or speedometer. *yeah, I drove it around the block* I was reasonably certain I had oil pressure.

I'm assuming there's a missing ground wire-- that would make sense of this malady??

Anyone got a place to start looking??

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Alternate Diesel Fuels

 

Tom,

Thanks for the opening for a plug.

There are a few thousand of us who are trying to develop ways to grow algae and extract oil.

We are now making small progress toward an open source solution, but have not cost the taxpayers millions.

Some of the algae are called cyanobacteria.  I am not a microbiologist so I don't know whether they are bacteria or not.

Everyone is invited to join us here:

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oil_from_algae/join>


Bobby

Bobby

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM, <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:
 

    I think a lot of this forum is guys who are old enough to "know" that them damn Japs couldn't make anything but crap.  That's what we were taught back in the 50s and early 60s.  Their crap would never amount to anything decent. 
 
    I hear a lot of the same talk about stuff made in China today. 
 
    It seems to me that focus on the instant present may distract us from noticing the actual progress of technology, quality control and other things. 
 
    For years, people have been talking about the possibility that petroleum alternatives might be generated using biology, by culturing bacteria or other organisms that produce oils.  For just as long, people have been 'knowing' that such processes can't really work, or would be too expensive, or other explanations for dismissing the technology. 
 
    Now it seems that one of the companies pursuing such processes has quielty just moved ahead with the technology.  Like the Japanese and the Chinese, the company is developing its technology, improving its production facilities and actually delivering product.  For right now, the company is cranking out oils that are essential to the perfume industry and other small consumers, rather than gasoline or diesel.  But it's a start.  They now have a contract with the Pentagon for experimental fuel oil production. 
 
    The company still loses money.  But it seems just possible that it (and probably others) are on track to develop processes to use a variety of feed stocks for production, not just WVO, sugar cane and other commonly discussed stocks.  If they succeed, then we get diesel without the friction contaminants and without the glycerin and other clogging contaminants. 
 
    (Full disclosure, the company is Solazyme and I am an investor in it.  So my enthusiasm may be shaded by that.) 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/16/2012 5:58:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, vwnate1@yahoo.com writes:
 


Although it is possible to neutralize the acidic content of WMO , I personally do not believe it's possible to get all the abrasives out and every single WMO engine I've seen , has at the very least , badly worn out injector nozzles and smokes badly after 10,000 miles or so .

I think the primary fault in alternative fuels is the time and effort .
Surely I looked into them a fair bit when Dino Diesel reached $5.00 the gallon ! . -ouch- .

When they (the big , scary THEM) decide it's in their interest to make bio or veggie fuels , I have no doubt they'll do so in mass quantities but for now , only the die hards will get to $ave $eriou$ $ on alternate fuels .

Sad to be sure but them's the facts , jack .

-Nate
Bobby wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> I agree totally that if someone wants a trouble free car, they should not
> experiment with unorthodox fuels.
>
> If someone wants to experiment with unorthodox fuels, the best engine to
> use is our favorite MB.
>
> Sorry I didn't comment on the Ws.
>
> Waste Vegetable Oil must be filtered or centrifuged or allowed to settle or
> a combination. It can then be used as SVO or used as a feedstock for
> making biodiesel.
>
> There is only enough WVO available in the USA to replace about 1/8 of
> current diesel usage, so it could help our energy needs, but not enough to
> totally solve them.
>
> I have not seen a plan for using Waste Motor Oil that I have confidence
> in. Some people have attempted to blend it with gasoline and some of those
> have had disastrous results. I believe if it were well filtered, it could
> be treated as SVO. but have no proof.
>
> I don't know what volume of WMO is available, but would assume it is
> similar to WVO - enough to make some difference, but not enough to single
> handidly solve our energy problems.
>
> Both of these do provide an opportunity to use a waste product for energy.
> If someone is looking for an extreme cost cutter, they are possibilities.
>
> Nate, you are correct, if someone wants a trouble free MB, he should stick
> with dino diesel plus a little bio diesel.
>
> Bobby
>
>




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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Alternate Diesel Fuels

 

Boyd,

The reason for all the yada, yada:

There are two ways of looking at alternative fuels.  Your view of "how do I, personally, save money" is certainly valid.

But, if one posts about an alternative fuel and doesn't mention that there is no enough for everyone, the people looking solely at the total economy picture will object that we did not mention the small available supply.

Bobby

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Boyd Wright <bgthegreat@verizon.net> wrote:
 

Nate, I hardly believe that having fungus growing in your fuel tank, having to remove a plug and cleaning the tank screen is trouble free.  I cannot believe that mixing bio or even finding someone who sells bio, before you run out of diesel trying to get to him, is trouble free. 
Do your homework and don't listen to jibber jabber.
Can you believe it?  Do we care that there is only enough WVO to replace a fraction of yada, yada, yada?  We are just trying to find ways to get our Benz diesel around without costing an arm and a leg.  I have taken my veggie Benz on 852 mile, trouble free, round trips and I also use it selling insurance in Maryland.  Frankly, I am putting at least $200 in my pocket every month.  I have saved so much that I was able to buy an 85 300TD wagon in a little over 2 years.  I will be converting that as soon as I can.
This is just the honest opinion of a guy that has the experience of a lot of miles on his 82MB using veggie oil.
 
Boyd

From: Bobby Yates Emory <liberty1@gmail.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:37 AM

Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Alternate Diesel Fuels

 
Nate,

I agree totally that if someone wants a trouble free car, they should not experiment with unorthodox fuels.

If someone wants to experiment with unorthodox fuels, the best engine to use is our favorite MB.

Sorry I didn't comment on the Ws.

Waste Vegetable Oil must be filtered or centrifuged or allowed to settle or a combination.  It can then be used as SVO or used as a feedstock for making biodiesel.

There is only enough WVO available in the USA to replace about 1/8 of current diesel usage, so it could help our energy needs, but not enough to totally solve them.

I have not seen a plan for using Waste Motor Oil that I have confidence in.  Some people have attempted to blend it with gasoline and some of those have had disastrous results.  I believe if it were well filtered, it could be treated as SVO. but have no proof.

I don't know what volume of WMO is available, but would assume it is similar to WVO - enough to make some difference, but not enough to single handidly solve our energy problems.

Both of these do provide an opportunity to use a waste product for energy.  If someone is looking for an extreme cost cutter, they are possibilities.

Nate, you are correct, if someone wants a trouble free MB, he should stick with dino diesel plus a little bio diesel.

Bobby

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Thanx all for the clarifying comments .

In a nut shell here's is the Veggie , WVO & WMO fuel thing :

It's very time consuming to do right and you really cannot do the normal short hop , drive to work / market use 99% of all people use vehicles for so why bother ? .

Yes , it is great for the Environment and can save you serious $ over time .

But , sooner or later , the pracical realities of life will mandate that you make at least _one_ short cut and then all is lost although not immediately apparent due to the nature of Diesel combustion .

If you have nothing better to do and live far away from everything so every time you start the engine you know it'll run for minimum of 30 minutes then it'll prolly be a win - win for you .

Other (most) folks have busy daily lives and so fail in this effort .

Give it a try but then don't hine nor blame the car when it becomes an expen$ive nightmare and ruins your marriage in the process .

-Nate




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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Bushings for pump linkage, and shifter linkage??

 

Check the schematics in the Performance Products catalog's for what to call them, and how they fit together - or go to Autohaus AZ or Rock Auto - they all have pictures and descriptions. I got the shifter plastics from Autohaus. Also figured I might as well change out all of the plastic parts in the shifter mechanism as well as the neutral safety switch while I am on my creeper.
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: ajrnemt <ajrn@hotmail.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Bushings for pump linkage, and shifter linkage??

 
As I mentioned-- my '84 300SD is about road ready..

I'm looking for a set of bushings for the underhood injection pump linkage..

I'm also looking for the linkage bushings for the shift mechanism, as sometimes you have to "wiggle" the shifter to get "drive" out of "D"..

Anyone know anyone that sells them-- or even what to ask for??

ANthony



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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Alternate Diesel Fuels

 

Nate,

Good points.  Comments below:

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


Although it is possible to neutralize the acidic content of WMO , I personally do not believe it's possible to get all the abrasives out and every single WMO engine I've seen , has at the very least , badly worn out injector nozzles and smokes badly after 10,000 miles or so .

I had not thought of these two points, but they just add to my suspicion of WMO.  The abrasives can be removed by a centrifuge, but the cost of the centrifuge and the time to operate the process may be more than we save.

injector nozzles are replaceable and may be less expensive than dino diesel.  But even more expensive to replace is the injection pump.  If the abrasives are not removed, it can get even more expensive.


I think the primary fault in alternative fuels is the time and effort .
Surely I looked into them a fair bit when Dino Diesel reached $5.00 the gallon ! . -ouch- .

Agreed, the risks and time are too much for the average MB driver.
 


When they (the big , scary THEM) decide it's in their interest to make bio or veggie fuels , I have no doubt they'll do so in mass quantities but for now , only the die hards will get to $ave $eriou$ $ on alternate fuels .

Bio diesel is readily available but often more expensive than dino diesel.   BP and others are paying attention.  I agree, as soon as Exxon figures out a way to stiff us, it will be at your corner store.

Those diehards who are willing to learn what to do and to be careful can save money.
 

Sad to be sure but them's the facts , jack .

True.  But it still remains that the best car for experimentation with alternate fuels.

Bobby


-Nate


Bobby wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> I agree totally that if someone wants a trouble free car, they should not
> experiment with unorthodox fuels.
>
> If someone wants to experiment with unorthodox fuels, the best engine to
> use is our favorite MB.
>
> Sorry I didn't comment on the Ws.
>
> Waste Vegetable Oil must be filtered or centrifuged or allowed to settle or
> a combination. It can then be used as SVO or used as a feedstock for
> making biodiesel.
>
> There is only enough WVO available in the USA to replace about 1/8 of
> current diesel usage, so it could help our energy needs, but not enough to
> totally solve them.
>
> I have not seen a plan for using Waste Motor Oil that I have confidence
> in. Some people have attempted to blend it with gasoline and some of those
> have had disastrous results. I believe if it were well filtered, it could
> be treated as SVO. but have no proof.
>
> I don't know what volume of WMO is available, but would assume it is
> similar to WVO - enough to make some difference, but not enough to single
> handidly solve our energy problems.
>
> Both of these do provide an opportunity to use a waste product for energy.
> If someone is looking for an extreme cost cutter, they are possibilities.
>
> Nate, you are correct, if someone wants a trouble free MB, he should stick
> with dino diesel plus a little bio diesel.
>
> Bobby
>
>




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