[diesel_mercedes] Fun With Junk

 

O.K. Brian ;

The W-123 relays are on PDF file page 52 , that's very nice . I wish they hadn't left California .

So to - day after work I got busy and re installed my Uro brand HVAC fan and tried to cobble up a cigar lighter power plug for it (going to HOTazona Friday) but the test lead I have that fits the fan's plug in , was too short so back to the drawing board....

I was futzing with it and turned the ignition on and punched the control buttons a few times whilst testing the MonoValve , it slowly came to life and began blowing air out the dash vents .

I took the MonoValve apart to try another , used original one , discovered it wasn't leaking , cleaned up the good used original one and inverted the coil , assembled it and connected the wires , set it on the cowl so I could see it through the windshield and played with the temp. wheel , ignition on ~ Max. cold make the spindle jump out 13MM or so , rolling it back to Max. heat makes it retract the same amount .

This looked promising , I am told it works as a ' frequency valve ' and as you're driving along it's in almost constant motion , all i cared about was some cool air as I blister my way across the Desert so I buttoned it all back up , cleaning everything as I went along (Example: there was a blob of some gooey reddish stuff in the tiny screen,I used a new toothbrush and aerosol brake cleaner to clean it off , the screen is still reddish and not easy to look through , I may experiment later with swapping the new rubber and screen from the inoperative no brand ' kiss me quick ' spindle , if that works I'm all set for  life) .

A while back I discovered my overboost protection valve wasn't open so I by passed it and that's been bugging me ever since so as long as i had my hands grubby I removed the intake to ALDA pipe , it was broken into several pieces and patched up with rubber hose here and there , another thing I didn't like looking at so last Sunday I bought an unbroken one from a badly wrecked '83 300D sedan , got the pipe and the valve too for $5 , it was also clogged , both the valve and the plastic pipe with banjo fitting on one end so I found 4' of thin fairly stiff wire and as always , my faithful aerosol can of brake cleaner , blew it out a bit and noticed the inside of the banjo ring fitting was full of black crud , took a war surplus dental pick and scraped it out , forced the wire through the pipe a few times until I could get it in either  end (kinda tricky getting it in the banjo end) , each time I got it in I'd work it back and forth a while then withdraw it , wipe the accumulated crud off the stiff wire and blast the pipe with brake cleaner again.... slow and somewhat tedious work but in the end , knowing a thing is done right is it's own reward .

I buttoned it back up and took a test drive , the overboost valve closed up again so I by passed it in a Chevron Station and it runs fine again .

As the fuel gauge is below 1/4 tank , I took the opportunity to remove and clean out the clear plastic fuel intake screen ~ I'm about to run it out of fuel again and am not getting as much black crud in there as I used to .

here was of course , a whole lot more I did but i'm done for the night .

It's nearly 11PM , I'll get back to it to - morrow .

-Nate

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[diesel_mercedes] Mixing Diesel & Gasoline For Extreme Cold

 



I'm inside now but I *think* my W-123 manual says not to exceed 20 % RUG .

I'd tell you I'll look at it to - morrow but I have lots to do getting ready to hit the road Friday morning .

-Nate
         Max   wrote :

I've said this a couple of times before. In my original 1959 190D manual it stated in emergencies for winter it was OK to mix 40% gasoline in the #2 diesel for a winter mix. max

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My wife filled an almost empty tank on my W123 with gasoline and then drove approximately 50 miles before realizing her mistake. A shop we had used in the past was close by, so she dropped off the car. The shop drained the tank (we paid a fee for disposal) and filled with diesel. Picked the car up the next morning and drove home with no issues and there have been no problems since (2 yrs). The shop manager was very impressed that the MBZ was a survivor, under the circumstances.

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Just an odd and interesting test of running gasoline in a diesel, and vice versa.

Putting Petrol Into A Diesel Car #TBT - Fifth Gear

Putting Petrol Into A Diesel Car #TBT - Fifth Gear
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[diesel_mercedes] Basic AC Testing

 



Probably not Max ;

How things are supposed to be done and how they get done in a shop where any short cut that $ave$ a penny is normally accepted , why everyone hates Mechanics .

Also why I prefer to do my own work whenever I can .

-Nate
     Max   wrote :

New compressor year before last. So when you take your car to a shop they let it sit overnight? We have all the proper ac tools and gauges. Seems like we have replaced everything,, obviously something was missed. I guess I should get out my black light. Ac season here is short, but seems to be getting longer lately. Max

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If it's a stock system Max ;

99 % certainty the ceramic seal in the Delco R4 compressor is kaput .

Easy to change if you have the correct tool .

If you pull down a vacuum let it sit overnight , one # loss means it's not good .

For proper servicing , you need a pressure tester , I have to go search and find one to buy , I was hoping someone knew of one they'd suggest .

Interestingly , my '82 240D's original R4 compressor is still going strong ~ it takes 2 ~ 3 years before I have to re charge it with R12 , still blows nice and cold .

-Nate
       Max   wrote :

When you guys pull a vacuum on the ac system, how long is needed to see the system seems OK?  My neighbor has all that stuff Nate just mentioned, he has taken ac classes, ect.,ect.We have been tru my whole system, the vacuum reads good for as long as we can wait. Fill it up with ac juice, works good for 1 summer. Blah. Leaks out somewhere, old cars . Max P.S. does anyones ac system work year after year with no recharge? 

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O.K. , I'll try to not let this message be the size of a 'phone book , it would be if i covered everything this week =8-^ .


It turns out the Uro fan works O.K. (it vibrates at speed) , there's another as of yet undiscovered fault.....


Anyone know where the fan relay is located ? .


Anyway , the horrific noise my Coupe started making the other day turned out to be my brandy new SANDEN AC compressor grinding itself to junk because the guy who install it muffed the job on several levels ~ he left things loose so multiple fasteners fall off as i was driving , he didn't tighten the hose connection to the back of the compressor so all the Freon leaked out and his screwed up the wiring so the compressor was running constantly even in the non AC " EC " mode , the screwed up wiring also meant the high/low pressure safety switch was BY PASSED so after the Freon was gone , the oil dribbled out bit by bit and the poor compressor ground up due to simple lack of oil.


He also damaged the body a bit and didn't install the new Condensor properly so it was rubbing on the body and one bracket was detached.....


I have much work to do , I am now looking at buying an AC vacuum pump to properly evacuate the system , maybe even a pressure pump to better test it before charging .


There's a whole lot more bad news , let your imagination run wild .


On the positive side of things , I decided  whilst I had to car up in the air I might as well replace the aging American made fractional V-Belts with proper Metric news ones , of course I got a mixed pair of alternator belts , one made in Germany , t'other made in CHINA ~ guess how well they're ' matched ' .


On they went after a very small amount of cleaning , this is the good news : in spite of the recent fuel leaks I've had , I am very pleased to see almost ZERO engine oil leaks under neath the car ! this is a happy thing as I've been replacing gaskets and grommets etc. for a while now .


The intake tract had very little oil in it , only on the bottom part , not lightly coated as is common .


I decided to replace the engine shock absorber mounts , the one below the IP was disintegrating (I have a 'photo but my computer suddenly doesn't see it)  , The Classic Center now has the kits very affordably and this includes the hardware , nice as the over sized 6 MM hole flat washersd make dandy problem solvers .


Still no HAVC =8-( , lots more other works to do .


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[diesel_mercedes] Relays

 



I don't know Brian ;

Once/if I get the catalog downloaded , I'll give it a look .

-Nate
         Brian   wrote :

Nate - Is that 5C on page 49 of Ecklers pdf catalog for $181?  ps-I grabbed a bunch from PAP's and should go through them for inventory purposes. Think I paid $2 or $3 each back in the day.

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[diesel_mercedes] Eckler's PDF Catalog

 

Thanx .

It chokes part way through , I'll try it next week at work , they have faster/better connections .

-Nate



   Dnopaint wrote :

You can download the catalog here.
Eckler's MBZ Parts - Download our PDF Print Catalog - Mercedes Parts and Accessories

 

Also, "Alldata" which is a subscription service for mechanics, has a locater section (at least it did when I used it ). My local library sys has this but we have to use it "in library only".  this shows or describes where on the car parts are. I would also ask any shops you are friendly with, if they use it.

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[diesel_mercedes] Mixing Diesel & Gasoline

 



A couple years ago a nice lady in Texas decided to try Mercedes Diesels , she had some problems , one of which was her boyfriend filling it up with RUG and then when it began to run very poorly indeed , he insisted he'd put Diesel in it so they messed around for a month before figuring it out .

You PAID to get rid of a tank full of contaminated gasoline ?! .

Ouch , they were laughing as you drove away .

-Nate
        Douglas  wrote :

My wife filled an almost empty tank on my W123 with gasoline and then drove approximately 50 miles before realizing her mistake. A shop we had used in the past was close by, so she dropped off the car. The shop drained the tank (we paid a fee for disposal) and filled with diesel. Picked the car up the next morning and drove home with no issues and there have been no problems since (2 yrs). The shop manager was very impressed that the MBZ was a survivor, under the circumstances.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Mixing Diesel & Gasoline

 

somewhere I have the "tactical improvised fuels" formulas for my M35. It
shows basic mixes to approximate diesel, like (trying to remember
numbers) 30% gas to 70% 90wt. or kerosene mixes, and the like.
Probably not good as a steady diet, but workable in a "situation".
IIRC, even turpentine works, and it can be distilled from tree sap?

On 4/6/2016 11:10 AM, Max temple jasperezra@gmail.com [diesel_mercedes]
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> I've said this a couple of times before. In my original 1959 190D manual
> it stated in emergencies for winter it was OK to mix 40% gasoline in the
> #2 diesel for a winter mix. max
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:25 PM, 'Douglas G. Mason, Attorney at Law'
> seahorse@olympus.net <mailto:seahorse@olympus.net> [diesel_mercedes]
> <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> My wife filled an almost empty tank on my W123 with gasoline and
> then drove approximately 50 miles before realizing her mistake. A
> shop we had used in the past was close by, so she dropped off the
> car. The shop drained the tank (we paid a fee for disposal) and
> filled with diesel. Picked the car up the next morning and drove
> home with no issues and there have been no problems since (2 yrs).
> The shop manager was very impressed that the MBZ was a survivor,
> under the circumstances.
>
> Douglas G. Mason, Attorney at Law
> 2404 35th Street
> Port Townsend WA 98368
> 360.643.3163 <tel:360.643.3163>
>
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> <mailto:bstromsoe@yahoo.com> [diesel_mercedes]
> <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>
> __
>
> Just an odd and interesting test of running gasoline in a
> diesel, and vice versa.
>
> Putting Petrol Into A Diesel Car #TBT - Fifth Gear
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL9-i9tcESU#t=296.587619>
>
>
> image <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL9-i9tcESU#t=296.587619>
>
>
> Putting Petrol Into A Diesel Car #TBT - Fifth Gear
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL9-i9tcESU#t=296.587619>
> It's #ThrowbackThursday! Jon Bentley demonstrates what happens
> if you fill up a car with the wrong fuel, and if you can save it
> after the damage has been mad...
>
> View on www.youtube.com
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL9-i9tcESU#t=296.587619>
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Mixing Diesel & Gasoline

 

I've said this a couple of times before. In my original 1959 190D manual it stated in emergencies for winter it was OK to mix 40% gasoline in the #2 diesel for a winter mix. max

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:25 PM, 'Douglas G. Mason, Attorney at Law' seahorse@olympus.net [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


My wife filled an almost empty tank on my W123 with gasoline and then drove approximately 50 miles before realizing her mistake. A shop we had used in the past was close by, so she dropped off the car. The shop drained the tank (we paid a fee for disposal) and filled with diesel. Picked the car up the next morning and drove home with no issues and there have been no problems since (2 yrs). The shop manager was very impressed that the MBZ was a survivor, under the circumstances.

Douglas G. Mason, Attorney at Law
2404 35th Street
Port Townsend WA 98368
360.643.3163
 
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Just an odd and interesting test of running gasoline in a diesel, and vice versa.

Putting Petrol Into A Diesel Car #TBT - Fifth Gear
Putting Petrol Into A Diesel Car #TBT - Fifth Gear
It's #ThrowbackThursday! Jon Bentley demonstrates what happens if you fill up a car with the wrong fuel, and if you can save it after the damage has been mad...
Preview by Yahoo

 

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Basic AC Service

 

New compressor year before last. So when you take your car to a shop they let it sit overnight? We have all the proper ac tools and gauges. Seems like we have replaced everything,, obviously something was missed. I guess I should get out my black light. Ac season here is short, but seems to be getting longer lately. Max

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 2:10 PM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




If it's a stock system Max ;

99 % certainty the ceramic seal in the Delco R4 compressor is kaput .

Easy to change if you have the correct tool .

If you pull down a vacuum let it sit overnight , one # loss means it's not good .

For proper servicing , you need a pressure tester , I have to go search and find one to buy , I was hoping someone knew of one they'd suggest .

Interestingly , my '82 240D's original R4 compressor is still going strong ~ it takes 2 ~ 3 years before I have to re charge it with R12 , still blows nice and cold .

-Nate
       Max   wrote :

When you guys pull a vacuum on the ac system, how long is needed to see the system seems OK?  My neighbor has all that stuff Nate just mentioned, he has taken ac classes, ect.,ect.We have been tru my whole system, the vacuum reads good for as long as we can wait. Fill it up with ac juice, works good for 1 summer. Blah. Leaks out somewhere, old cars . Max P.S. does anyones ac system work year after year with no recharge? 

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:54 AM, vwnate1@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


O.K. , I'll try to not let this message be the size of a 'phone book , it would be if i covered everything this week =8-^ .


It turns out the Uro fan works O.K. (it vibrates at speed) , there's another as of yet undiscovered fault.....


Anyone know where the fan relay is located ? .


Anyway , the horrific noise my Coupe started making the other day turned out to be my brandy new SANDEN AC compressor grinding itself to junk because the guy who install it muffed the job on several levels ~ he left things loose so multiple fasteners fall off as i was driving , he didn't tighten the hose connection to the back of the compressor so all the Freon leaked out and his screwed up the wiring so the compressor was running constantly even in the non AC " EC " mode , the screwed up wiring also meant the high/low pressure safety switch was BY PASSED so after the Freon was gone , the oil dribbled out bit by bit and the poor compressor ground up due to simple lack of oil.


He also damaged the body a bit and didn't install the new Condensor properly so it was rubbing on the body and one bracket was detached.....


I have much work to do , I am now looking at buying an AC vacuum pump to properly evacuate the system , maybe even a pressure pump to better test it before charging .


There's a whole lot more bad news , let your imagination run wild .


On the positive side of things , I decided  whilst I had to car up in the air I might as well replace the aging American made fractional V-Belts with proper Metric news ones , of course I got a mixed pair of alternator belts , one made in Germany , t'other made in CHINA ~ guess how well they're ' matched ' .


On they went after a very small amount of cleaning , this is the good news : in spite of the recent fuel leaks I've had , I am very pleased to see almost ZERO engine oil leaks under neath the car ! this is a happy thing as I've been replacing gaskets and grommets etc. for a while now .


The intake tract had very little oil in it , only on the bottom part , not lightly coated as is common .


I decided to replace the engine shock absorber mounts , the one below the IP was disintegrating (I have a 'photo but my computer suddenly doesn't see it)  , The Classic Center now has the kits very affordably and this includes the hardware , nice as the over sized 6 MM hole flat washersd make dandy problem solvers .


Still no HAVC =8-( , lots more other works to do .


-Nate







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