Diesel RVs: 01/15/08

Re: [Diesel-RVs] HELP! It Won't Start.

Mikey,

It sounds funny but we have the same thing happen to our tractor and it
always is water in the fuel. We build up condensation in the tank when
we dont run it often and then it doesn't crank over until we bleed the
water off. We now tie a string around one of those keep kool things dry
(you add water to and put around your neck. 2.00 @ walmart) and drop
it in the tank. It will absorb the water out of the fuel tank and after
some time then we start it. Starts right up....changing the filters
would get rid of water there but maybe not all thats in your tank. Just
a thought...

Good Luck,
Kathy
2006 CC Inspire
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[Diesel-RVs] Re: Rid-X

>
>
> I have used Rid-x in the black tank when parked for an extended time.
I empty the tank once a week. Rid-x works good for me. It appears to
break down the waste enough the tank drains. Other treatments did not
work as well. JT

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Rid-X

That doesn't change my mind about my using Rid-X Works great for me. Chuck B

northstatebiker <djohnsonhot@yahoo.com> wrote: Here is a copy and paste from a forum that was addressing this very
issue, and Mike is the writer here who seems to be saying pretty much
what I was saying (Rid-X is for home septic use and is a slow acting
agent)....

COPY:

Barney, you can buy Rid-X in almost any hardware, farm supply and home
improvement store. It's a slow acting, low grade dry product that's
designed for long term use in home *septic systems*.

The reason I, AND the manufacturer of Rid-X, don't recommend it for RV
usage is that it simply doesn't contain either the quantity or type of
bacteria strains necessary to quickly and effectively treat RV
wastewater holding tanks. It is not immediately active.

Rid-X is to be added to home *septic systems* once a month. It takes a
long time to become active and the monthly doseage was determined for
an average size home *septic system*. It continually replaces the
bacteria that are lost due to the commercial cleaners, disinfectants,
bleach, etc. that are used at home and it enhances those bacteria that
do survive to help break down the solids that go into a home *septic
system* over the long haul.

RV wastewater holding tanks are NOT *septic systems*. The are, as the
name implies, holding tanks that simply store many gallons of
concentrated waste for a short period of time that culminates in a one
shot disposal into a septic system (either private or municipal).

Flushing a toilet a dozen times per day deposits perhaps a few gallons
of solid wastes and three or four times that amount of water into a
septic system. RV wastewater holding tanks, on the other hand, contain
a far greater percentage of waste solids than they do liquid/water. We
use maybe a quart of water to flush an RV toilet as compared to three
or more gallons to flush a home toilet.

RV wastewater holding tanks are not *septic systems* and the
conditions and requirements for using a bacteria based treatment are
entirely different.

RV wastewater holding tanks require a very fast acting, immediate,
supplement to the naturally occurring bacteria. On one hand, the
quantity of waste stored is relatively small when compared to a home
septic system. On the other hand, dumping that 20 to 80 gallons of
concentrated waste all at once into a receiving septic system is a LOT
different than flushing a toilet at home!

That's why the use of a highly concentrated, fast acting, multi
culture liquid bacteria based holding tank treatment is far superior
to using a product like Rid-X in an RV wastewater holding tank. We
need to do all that we can to break down the waste solids we store in
our RVs *before* we dump them into a receiving septic system.

The cost of using a quality wastewater holding tank treatment product,
one developed specifically for our needs, is about fifty cents per
dose. A single fifty cent application can last many weeks, even
months, depending upon how often you fill and need to dump the tank.
How can anyone who can afford to own and operate an RV today suggest
that fifty cents is too much money and that they use a product like
Rid-X to save money?
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] 1930s aircraft an inspiration for 100 mpg cars | Green Tech blog - CNET News.com

Nothing really new here. Maybe some new material technology but the basic
concept has been around for years. I remember in Popular Mechanics they
touted the same double opposed engine as the engine of the future along with
a Lear designed Sterling external heat engine. I helped restore several
Fairbanks Morse submarine diesel engines that used the opposed double piston
but on 2 geared crankshafts. Huge torque not much rpm, 800 tops.
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> http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9850303-54.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5
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> This is a kinda interesting story. May be pie-in-the-sky and is at least
> a few years off even if all came together.
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Rid-X

DJ

Just so we are clear, have you or this gent Mike used Rid X in your RV?
History is full of products designed for one thing and they've turned out to be
useful for other applications.

Fred White 02 Windsor, 05 Pilot
Polk City, FL & Trenton, ME

In a message dated 1/15/2008 7:43:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Here is a copy and paste from a forum that was addressing this very
issue, and Mike is the writer here who seems to be saying pretty much
what I was saying (Rid-X is for home septic use and is a slow acting
agent)....

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[Diesel-RVs] Rid-X

Here is a copy and paste from a forum that was addressing this very
issue, and Mike is the writer here who seems to be saying pretty much
what I was saying (Rid-X is for home septic use and is a slow acting
agent)....

COPY:

Barney, you can buy Rid-X in almost any hardware, farm supply and home
improvement store. It's a slow acting, low grade dry product that's
designed for long term use in home *septic systems*.

The reason I, AND the manufacturer of Rid-X, don't recommend it for RV
usage is that it simply doesn't contain either the quantity or type of
bacteria strains necessary to quickly and effectively treat RV
wastewater holding tanks. It is not immediately active.

Rid-X is to be added to home *septic systems* once a month. It takes a
long time to become active and the monthly doseage was determined for
an average size home *septic system*. It continually replaces the
bacteria that are lost due to the commercial cleaners, disinfectants,
bleach, etc. that are used at home and it enhances those bacteria that
do survive to help break down the solids that go into a home *septic
system* over the long haul.

RV wastewater holding tanks are NOT *septic systems*. The are, as the
name implies, holding tanks that simply store many gallons of
concentrated waste for a short period of time that culminates in a one
shot disposal into a septic system (either private or municipal).

Flushing a toilet a dozen times per day deposits perhaps a few gallons
of solid wastes and three or four times that amount of water into a
septic system. RV wastewater holding tanks, on the other hand, contain
a far greater percentage of waste solids than they do liquid/water. We
use maybe a quart of water to flush an RV toilet as compared to three
or more gallons to flush a home toilet.

RV wastewater holding tanks are not *septic systems* and the
conditions and requirements for using a bacteria based treatment are
entirely different.

RV wastewater holding tanks require a very fast acting, immediate,
supplement to the naturally occurring bacteria. On one hand, the
quantity of waste stored is relatively small when compared to a home
septic system. On the other hand, dumping that 20 to 80 gallons of
concentrated waste all at once into a receiving septic system is a LOT
different than flushing a toilet at home!

That's why the use of a highly concentrated, fast acting, multi
culture liquid bacteria based holding tank treatment is far superior
to using a product like Rid-X in an RV wastewater holding tank. We
need to do all that we can to break down the waste solids we store in
our RVs *before* we dump them into a receiving septic system.

The cost of using a quality wastewater holding tank treatment product,
one developed specifically for our needs, is about fifty cents per
dose. A single fifty cent application can last many weeks, even
months, depending upon how often you fill and need to dump the tank.
How can anyone who can afford to own and operate an RV today suggest
that fifty cents is too much money and that they use a product like
Rid-X to save money?
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: Need an idea

Several trucking fleets filter their used oil. They have inhouse filtering systems. The 5% savings on fuel is tremendous. ,especially on fleets that use 1 million gallons+ per year. JBR

Dave Doll <dolldave@embarqmail.com> wrote: The oil is filtered in addition to the coach filters. The ratio is
95/5%. Cummins endorses it. They even make a metering device that
changes the oil without stopping (for industrial engines called the
Sentinel)
Done it for four years.
Email them and they will tell you.
DaveD.

--- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, "Joerg" <Joergm@...> wrote:
>
> You use this drain oil to run your diesel engine?
>
> How about the carbon deposits and all the other left over stuff
>
> this oil leaves after being burned?
>
> Have you done this for a longer time? What are your findings?
>
> A lot of questions, because I am amazed that this obviously works.
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Joerg (1998 HD Rambler Imperial)
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Diesel-
RVs@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave Doll
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:36 PM
> To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Re: Need an idea
>
>
>
> --- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogro <mailto:Diesel-RVs%40yahoogroups.com>
ups.com,
> "Joerg" <Joergm@> wrote:
> >
> > Dave, what do you mean by "drain oil" ?
> >
> > Joerg (1998 HD Rambler Imperial)
>
> Oil that I have drained from the crankcase.
> Dave D.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: 1930s aircraft an inspiration for 100 mpg cars | Green Tech blog - CNET News.com

Dave,
Why not gasoline? 4 stroke. No reason for "must be"diesel. There were gasoline two
cycle engines, and flat design has been out since before the war... the "Big one", WWII.
Volkswagen had them then, Subaru copied the design... water cooled it.
The only thing "new" is on a single rod throw... new to this decade maybe. I have
seen aircraft motors, radial and diesel radial with pistons opposing with two
pistons/rods on a single throw. The diesel radial engines were boat motors used in WWII
also.
I skimmed the article, maybe I missed something?
Russ
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:20 PM
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Re: 1930s aircraft an inspiration for 100 mpg cars | Green Tech
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: That's interesting. It must be a 2 stroke deisel, running opposed
: cylinders on a single rod throw.
: I'll be watching this.
: Dave D
:
: --- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, Bob Clerc <kerplunk@...> wrote:
: >
: > http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9850303-54.html?
: part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5
: >
: > This is a kinda interesting story. May be pie-in-the-sky and is at
: least
: > a few years off even if all came together.
: >
: > Bob Clerc
: > @ Palm Desert, CA
: >
:
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That's interesting. It must be a 2 stroke deisel, running opposed
cylinders on a single rod throw.
I'll be watching this.
Dave D

--- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, Bob Clerc <kerplunk@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9850303-54.html?
part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5
>
> This is a kinda interesting story. May be pie-in-the-sky and is at
least
> a few years off even if all came together.
>
> Bob Clerc
> @ Palm Desert, CA
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] HELP! It Won't Start.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:38 AM
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] HELP! It Won't Start.

> Today I started up the 91
> 5.9 1 ton. It went a Total
> of 6 blocks from home,
> lost power, and tons of
> WHITE smoke. thought it
> ran out of fuel so added 5
> gal. I cranked motor
> over,bled all air from
> each injector. Then tried
> to start it, first time it
> cranked almost started but
> missed, rebled injectors
> now it just cranks and
> cranks. Rechecked fuel at
> injectors still have good
> flow at that point,
> An ideas of what the
> problem could be? I've
> checked the cummins
> trouble shooting chart but
> still at a loss. Wifes
> mad as wet hen. 5'r is
> ready for 2wk vacation
> thru.
> Thanks for any help.
> Mikey
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] HELP! It Won't Start.

Hi Mikey,
Change the fuel filters. Chuck B

mikey <uncle_mikeyg@msn.com> wrote:
Today I started up the 91
5.9 1 ton. It went a Total
of 6 blocks from home,
lost power, and tons of
WHITE smoke. thought it
ran out of fuel so added 5
gal. I cranked motor
over,bled all air from
each injector. Then tried
to start it, first time it
cranked almost started but
missed, rebled injectors
now it just cranks and
cranks. Rechecked fuel at
injectors still have good
flow at that point,
An ideas of what the
problem could be? I've
checked the cummins
trouble shooting chart but
still at a loss. Wifes
mad as wet hen. 5'r is
ready for 2wk vacation
thru.
Thanks for any help.
Mikey

Chuck & Mary Boros
04 Windsor 02 Ford Ranger
Shelby Dog, Miss Kitty, Mr Lucky Cat

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