Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Detroit engine seizure

 

Max,

Back in the good old days - two or three years ago - diesel at the pump was low sulfur.  Now, from the pump, it is ultra low sulfur.

That small reduction is enough to remove the lubrication the engine needs.  The practical solution is to add biodiesel.  Even 5% is enough to restore the lost lubricity.

(I guess the IP, the injectors, and the engine internals need the improved lubricity.)

The sad part is that is not illegal to sell low sulfur diesel.  It is only illegal to put it in a 2009 or later car or truck.   So everyone is paying a higher cost per gallon and risking damage to their engines for the benefit of a small percentage of drivers.   Almost enough to make you believe in conspiracy theories.

Bobby
 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:24 PM, max_stemple <max_stemple@yahoo.com> wrote:
 



--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Lost but making good time." <aldridgetony97@...> wrote:
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> The accepted standard for diesels these days, (with low sulpher) is to let the oil pressure come up then drive, but do not drive hard until the temp has come up. In air brake equipped vehicles, drive as soon as you have air. Sulpher is a good lubricant, so it is not recommended to idle diesels for more than a few minutes. Most truckers shut their engines down after letting the temps equalize, or set the engine to fast idle.
>
>But isn't that just for the IP's. Whats the sulpher got to do with idling? Hey, still snowing but since it's warm it's not getting much deeper. Max




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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Detroit engine seizure

 

Max, how near Colville are you?
What I am being told by the Detroit mechanics about idling, is that as the cylinder cools, the walls are washed with fuel, now that there is less sulpher, there is less lubricant in the fuel, thus causing more wear than in the past. Not likely to be catastrophic but increases the wear more.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "max_stemple" <max_stemple@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Lost but making good time." <aldridgetony97@> wrote:
> >
> > The accepted standard for diesels these days, (with low sulpher) is to let the oil pressure come up then drive, but do not drive hard until the temp has come up. In air brake equipped vehicles, drive as soon as you have air. Sulpher is a good lubricant, so it is not recommended to idle diesels for more than a few minutes. Most truckers shut their engines down after letting the temps equalize, or set the engine to fast idle.
> >
> >But isn't that just for the IP's. Whats the sulpher got to do with idling? Hey, still snowing but since it's warm it's not getting much deeper. Max
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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Detroit engine seizure

 



--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Lost but making good time." <aldridgetony97@...> wrote:
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> The accepted standard for diesels these days, (with low sulpher) is to let the oil pressure come up then drive, but do not drive hard until the temp has come up. In air brake equipped vehicles, drive as soon as you have air. Sulpher is a good lubricant, so it is not recommended to idle diesels for more than a few minutes. Most truckers shut their engines down after letting the temps equalize, or set the engine to fast idle.
>
>But isn't that just for the IP's. Whats the sulpher got to do with idling? Hey, still snowing but since it's warm it's not getting much deeper. Max

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Detroit engine seizure

 

The accepted standard for diesels these days, (with low sulpher) is to let the oil pressure come up then drive, but do not drive hard until the temp has come up. In air brake equipped vehicles, drive as soon as you have air. Sulpher is a good lubricant, so it is not recommended to idle diesels for more than a few minutes. Most truckers shut their engines down after letting the temps equalize, or set the engine to fast idle.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Nate Rector <tccservice111@...> wrote:
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> are you saying don't rev a cold engine? If so I always wait for running temps to race.
>
> --- On Tue, 3/8/11, MK Jeeves <mahatmakanejeeves@...> wrote:
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> From: MK Jeeves <mahatmakanejeeves@...>
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Detroit engine seizure
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:55 AM
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>  
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>
> I'm curious if there is a history of "cold seizures" for this engine type? I doubt it given its longevity and widespread distribution. Here's a definition from an article on the Rotax gas engine often used in experimental airplanes:
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> "First.. the term "cold seizure" is a bit of a misnomer. All seizures are caused by heat/friction. A cold seizure is where the piston expands faster than the bore it is traveling in and contacts the sides of that bore. These are also known as four corner seizures.
>
> The worst case scenario is that the engine can just lose power and stop. In the case of a mild (mini) seizure the engine may just lose power for a second or two, but will respond to throttle inputs and will recover when the throttle is advanced. This may happen a few times before a major seizure occurs.
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> Cold seizures "usually" occur after a full throttle run when the engine is powered back to a cruise throttle setting. If the engine has experienced some previous mini seizures, the stoppage can occur anytime in flight as there is already some aluminum (off the piston) attached to the cylinder wall and galling (unwanted removal of aluminum from the piston to the cylinder wall) will be occurring at a variable rate."
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] henry/ door pocket repair

 

I used epoxy and a strip of cloth along the back, on my wives Volvo door
pocket.
Brian, pushing the door out with your leg or foot again? :)

Rob
'85 300D
Garden grove, CA

On 3/9/11 1:15 AM, diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Re: henry
> Posted by: "john public"brad_macaboy1234@yahoo.com trenchdiggingone
> Date: Tue Mar 8, 2011 12:30 pm ((PST))
>
> Ive had good luck with 5 minute epoxy
> --- On Tue, 3/8/11, ygmir111<ygmir111@att.net> wrote:
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>> > From: ygmir111<ygmir111@att.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] henry
>> > To:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
>> > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 1:38 PM
>> > Map case?
>> > you mean the pocket on the door?
>> > Have you tried welding?
>> > I've had good luck welding plastic stuff with a soldering
>> > iron and some
>> > extra plastic 'rod'.
>> >
>> > Henry
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "BStromsoe"<bstromsoe@yahoo.com>
>> > To:<diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 10:15 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] henry
>> >
>> >
>> > The sun is shining, I washed the car (& found a quarter
>> > on the ground),
>> > stopped
>> > at the market for fixins for meatloaf, Italian meatballs,
>> > and whatever is
>> > left
>> > goes into the chili pot. Broke the drivers side map case so
>> > am trying
>> > another
>> > round of Goop + magic (again) to see if I can get another 2
>> > years out of the
>> > old
>> > one (but will begin the search for another tan one too).
>> >
>> >
>> > brian from la verne, ca
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: ygmir111<ygmir111@att.net>
>> > To:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 9:24:43 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] henry
>> >
>> >
>> > HI Max
>> > partly cloudy, pretty warm, too.
>> > I'm inside, with double pneumonia and
>> > bronchitis........dang it.
>> > Diesel is about 4 bucks........I don't pay real close
>> > attention.
>> > But, I know I'm feeling better about my centrifuge and
>> > making my WMO
>> > fuel.............
>> >
>> > seeya
>> > Henry
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "max_stemple"<max_stemple@yahoo.com>
>> > To:<diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:50 AM
>> > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] henry
>> >
>> > Hey Henry, hows the weather down there. Also whats diesel
>> > running these
>> > days? Max
>> >
>> >

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Manual Transmission

 

Thank you for all the insight,
Chris


From: Mark in Lakewood CO <beeser750@q.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 9:51:24 AM
Subject: RE: [diesel_mercedes] Manual Transmission

 

Eh, I dunno.  These things are pretty indestructible.  40K, 140K, probably worth about the same.

They don't come up in the salvage yards around here very often anymore, but, the last one I bought was about $80, flywheel to driveline, inclusive.  That was like, five years ago.  Didn't include the pedals.

I'd ask $250, take no less than $150.

Mark in Lakewood, CO


To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
From: polespearbogy@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:59:40 -0800
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Manual Transmission

 
Also the total driveline length is about 2.5 inches shorter. So the drivelines are going to be needed too. The shifter and all the associated central console parts are needed as well. BTW, a 4 speed manny with only 40K on it should be worth a fortune.
Bogy.

Mark -
Thank you so much for your reply - that's good news.  I have a 'friend of a friend' who wants to buy my tranny & do the conversion.  Any idea of what the transmission should be worth?  It was removed from a car with just over 40k miles (the motor was used for a heart transplant) & has been sitting in a dry garage for almost 10 yrs - the dreams of converting my car to manual slipped away when we had our 2nd child three years ago...
 



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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Manual Transmission

 

Eh, I dunno.  These things are pretty indestructible.  40K, 140K, probably worth about the same.

They don't come up in the salvage yards around here very often anymore, but, the last one I bought was about $80, flywheel to driveline, inclusive.  That was like, five years ago.  Didn't include the pedals.

I'd ask $250, take no less than $150.

Mark in Lakewood, CO


To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
From: polespearbogy@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:59:40 -0800
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Manual Transmission

 
Also the total driveline length is about 2.5 inches shorter. So the drivelines are going to be needed too. The shifter and all the associated central console parts are needed as well. BTW, a 4 speed manny with only 40K on it should be worth a fortune.
Bogy.

Mark -
Thank you so much for your reply - that's good news.  I have a 'friend of a friend' who wants to buy my tranny & do the conversion.  Any idea of what the transmission should be worth?  It was removed from a car with just over 40k miles (the motor was used for a heart transplant) & has been sitting in a dry garage for almost 10 yrs - the dreams of converting my car to manual slipped away when we had our 2nd child three years ago...
 


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