Re: [diesel_mercedes] The Appreciation of 123's

 

       People, as a species,  mostly do not appreciate what they have. 

  I am tarting up the basics  ---and then even to putting in LED visor, signal, & dome lights; strip lights {hidden} under hoods and inside trunks, etc.--- 
  on my (all 4 door)   '83 300SD,
  renovating an '84 300D,
 and righting a wrong that caved-in the front driver's side  (about 18"x18", btw bumper and tire) on an '83 300D station wagon.
      All seriously bullet-proof solid vehicles, they stay smack-steady on the road and are all roomily and comfortably reminiscent of my dad's '49 Plymouth & his Ford.
       I don't give a rats-rear about    $$$ appreciation any more than I would put any kind of $$$ on any relationship I have.

(I have to confess to lusting for an early '50s limousine)  

 for that matter, If anyone does not think their 123's are worth keeping ...    call me.


  nick
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Chip <czulli@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Nate,

I know that you contend that the 123's will never go up much in value but I am beginning to wonder about that. It is twice a week, at least that someone comes up to me wanting to buy my coupe.

Several years ago I can remember thinking that these were the ugliest car that Mercedes ever made, but now that look is starting to grow on me. Maybe that is because I have come to realize the intrinsic value of reliability, endurance and low operational cost?

I count myself pretty good at spotting those cars that are moving up the appreciation latter. I have a string of those that I have sold just before they made their move. I also sold my Apple stock now too many years back for $37 bucks.

So my report of coming escalation of price with 123's comes from a deep place of knowledge and experience. I've just got the hunch that these babes are going to take off soon.

Just every now and then I'll spot my car in the parking lot as I am coming out of a store and I catch myself thinking, "That's a good looking car."

It's kind of like that girl that you have been with for awhile and you catch her coming across the room and you think to yourself, "I'll keep her for awhile longer."

Chip
Houston


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[diesel_mercedes] Mercedes repair manuals 123 body

 

Anybody looking for  factory repair manuals?
I just saw this ad on Craig's list.

Rob
Garden Grove, CA

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http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/2800977679.html

Mercedes repair manuals 123 body - $75 (dana point)

Date: 2012-01-15, 8:57AM PST
Reply to: sale-mfm4x-2800977679@craigslist.org 

ALL TRADES CONSIDERED, what you got?????

Full set 3-books.

Complete factory repair manuals
complete pull out diagrams of wiring harnesses

BODY
CHASSIS
ENGINE

circa 1983 123 body

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: People of the Soil

 

Max,

Max,
Remember, I didn't buy these panels, so we didn't directly get rebates,
yet the rebates the company got for installing them on my roof, gave me
a better flat rate for the power the panels provide. At the end of the
contract, I can renew a contract or buy the panels at a set amount.

Brian,
Yes, we seem to have a group of folks who like to do stuff, working on
these neat old cars, along with many other pursuits.

Rob
'85 300D
Garden Grove, CA
==

On 1/26/12 2:05 AM, diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Re: People of the Soil
> Posted by: "max_stemple"jasperezra@gmail.com max_stemple
> Date: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:42 pm ((PST))
>
> Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh? I must know there is a connection somewheres. Right? You grow tomatoes when you could, can. Hey Rob, I am jealous of your array, some kind of tax rebate? I don't file sooo, I'm out of that. I have several Keyoreca's but no where's near where what you got on yer roof. Max
>
> --- Indiesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, BStromsoe<bstromsoe@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Strange mystery - all MB diesel heads seem to be current (or former) farmers, ranchers, tree planters, or rodeo stars. Must be something in the DNA. Others of course are musicians (clarinet here), some just play the radio, and others paint pretty pictures.
>> >
>> > There has been a great silence lately on the virtues of keeping a jug of Clorox wipes in your cars. I must reiterate - these things are great for wiping down everything under the hood, inside the body, your grimy bundt wheels. When I wash the car and dry it down, I always clean 2 or 3 square feet. They are perfect for the job.
>> >
>> > Â
>> > brian from laverne, ca
>> > Mary (195K)Â Martha (280K)
>> > 1983 w123 300d's
>> >
>> >

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Posting on Ebay

 

Ah ha.  Very interesting.  Thank you.  That does help.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:50 PM, <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:
 

Trish,  
 
    Someone from the Classic Center or some other source of better knowledge may chime in.  But to my thinking, there are different ways to interpret MBZ's use of "E". 
 
    "E" can reflect the body line.  MBZ makes "A", "B", "C" lines (probably also "D" but I've not seen them), as well as "E" and "S" lines of cars, starting from compact ("A") up to full size ("S").  The "E" line is what used to be called the 123 body style, and is a 'midsize' car line. 
 
    The US never got "A" or "B" car lines, and only started getting the "C" cars (which are sold here as 'compacts') I think in the 1990s as MBZ decided to debase its 'ultra-luxury' image to gain broader sales. 
 
    Any "E" body line can have any MBZ engine, gas or diesel.  The "E" refers to the body size, not the drive train. 
 
    My experience in Paris and Berlin is that the "E" body 4-door sedan style is one of the most popular vehicles for taxicab use. 
 
    ON THE OTHER HAND, when the "E" appears after the numbers (280E) this indicates a carburetted gasoline engine, and distinguishes from the "i" designation (280i) which indicates a gasoline, fuel injected engine. 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/26/2012 1:59:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com writes:
 

Kinda confused...I thought all "E" cars were gas...check out this posting...according to the emblems on the trunk, this IS an E Class Turbo Diesel.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-e300-Turbodiesel-Black-Black-beuty-NO-RESERVE-/300655245710?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item460072f98e








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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Posting on Ebay

 

Thank you Tom.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 5:33 PM, tom hanson <halfviking@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

The "E" designates a body series after 1993. We switched our model designations around in 1994. This car should read "E300 D Turbo (not TD).
 
Tom Hanson Mercedes Benz Classic Center USA MBUSA, LLC thomas.hanson@mbusa.com 949 598-4842 direct 949 598-4870 fax
From: Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Posting on Ebay

 
Kinda confused...I thought all "E" cars were gas...check out this posting...according to the emblems on the trunk, this IS an E Class Turbo Diesel.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-e300-Turbodiesel-Black-Black-beuty-NO-RESERVE-/300655245710?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item460072f98e








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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: John got his Mercedes stolen

 

I heard about this months ago.  He had ducked into the Jag dealer and when he came out his car was gone.  It IS a nice car.  Was it ever recovered?  Not sure about the insurance thing.  My insurance will only give me liability and un-insured/under insured.  If is stolen I'm outa luck.


On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, max_stemple <jasperezra@gmail.com> wrote:

 

OK I see the link only shows a pic. The story is John Travolta got his Mercedes stolen right down the street from Brian and Nate and Nate's bro in LA. Shoot those guys, max

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "max_stemple" <jasperezra@...> wrote:
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> http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AqNAo5mtuOMjUbysEQx3td5Q0.d_;_ylu=X3oDMTFzcms5dmwxBG1pdANCbG9nIFBvc3QgQm9keSBNb3RvcmFtaWMEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ0JvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNlZ2drYnQyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNTVjY2I5YjktNTE5OS0zY2ZjLWI3MTUtODA2ZDVjNmNhMDlhBHBzdGNhdANuZXdzYW5kaW5mb3xtb3RvcmFtaWMEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdlBHRlc3QD;_ylv=0/SIG=122cgrlj3/EXP=1328832989/**http%3A//mit.zenfs.com/852/2012/01/brown70sl.jpg
>
> OK, I know this is a real bummer, but I still chuckled. I must be a bad bad man. I am betting he can afford insurance, I can't. BUt still the car thieves should be kneecapped or something along those lines. Max
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Posting on Ebay

 

I thought the "E" in 280E was for Einspritzung (fuel injection).  Isn't the "i" BMW speak for fuel injection, e.g. 328i?


From: "audiolaw@aol.com" <audiolaw@aol.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 26, 2012 4:50:09 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Posting on Ebay

 

Trish,  
 
    Someone from the Classic Center or some other source of better knowledge may chime in.  But to my thinking, there are different ways to interpret MBZ's use of "E". 
 
    "E" can reflect the body line.  MBZ makes "A", "B", "C" lines (probably also "D" but I've not seen them), as well as "E" and "S" lines of cars, starting from compact ("A") up to full size ("S").  The "E" line is what used to be called the 123 body style, and is a 'midsize' car line. 
 
    The US never got "A" or "B" car lines, and only started getting the "C" cars (which are sold here as 'compacts') I think in the 1990s as MBZ decided to debase its 'ultra-luxury' image to gain broader sales. 
 
    Any "E" body line can have any MBZ engine, gas or diesel.  The "E" refers to the body size, not the drive train. 
 
    My experience in Paris and Berlin is that the "E" body 4-door sedan style is one of the most popular vehicles for taxicab use. 
 
    ON THE OTHER HAND, when the "E" appears after the numbers (280E) this indicates a carburetted gasoline engine, and distinguishes from the "i" designation (280i) which indicates a gasoline, fuel injected engine. 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/26/2012 1:59:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com writes:
 

Kinda confused...I thought all "E" cars were gas...check out this posting...according to the emblems on the trunk, this IS an E Class Turbo Diesel.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-e300-Turbodiesel-Black-Black-beuty-NO-RESERVE-/300655245710?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item460072f98e








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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Posting on Ebay

 

Trish,  
 
    Someone from the Classic Center or some other source of better knowledge may chime in.  But to my thinking, there are different ways to interpret MBZ's use of "E". 
 
    "E" can reflect the body line.  MBZ makes "A", "B", "C" lines (probably also "D" but I've not seen them), as well as "E" and "S" lines of cars, starting from compact ("A") up to full size ("S").  The "E" line is what used to be called the 123 body style, and is a 'midsize' car line. 
 
    The US never got "A" or "B" car lines, and only started getting the "C" cars (which are sold here as 'compacts') I think in the 1990s as MBZ decided to debase its 'ultra-luxury' image to gain broader sales. 
 
    Any "E" body line can have any MBZ engine, gas or diesel.  The "E" refers to the body size, not the drive train. 
 
    My experience in Paris and Berlin is that the "E" body 4-door sedan style is one of the most popular vehicles for taxicab use. 
 
    ON THE OTHER HAND, when the "E" appears after the numbers (280E) this indicates a carburetted gasoline engine, and distinguishes from the "i" designation (280i) which indicates a gasoline, fuel injected engine. 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/26/2012 1:59:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com writes:
 

Kinda confused...I thought all "E" cars were gas...check out this posting...according to the emblems on the trunk, this IS an E Class Turbo Diesel.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-e300-Turbodiesel-Black-Black-beuty-NO-RESERVE-/300655245710?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item460072f98e








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Re: [diesel_mercedes] 1978 240D safety switch

 

none of the 3 manual trannies I've had, have had it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Barnhart" <brianbarn@yahoo.com>
To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] 1978 240D safety switch

There isn't such a switch on my '81. I usually start it in neutral with my
foot
off the clutch.

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From: jm7jm7jm <tokens@gmail.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 26, 2012 3:17:08 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] 1978 240D safety switch

Is there supposed to be a neutral safety switch equivalent on a manual
transmission car such that the starter will only run with the clutch
depressed?
The Haynes book seems to think so and I haven't cracked the Mercedes book,
but I
don't think mine has.

John in ID

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] 1978 240D safety switch

 

There isn't such a switch on my '81.  I usually start it in neutral with my foot off the clutch.

From: jm7jm7jm <tokens@gmail.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 26, 2012 3:17:08 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] 1978 240D safety switch

 

Is there supposed to be a neutral safety switch equivalent on a manual transmission car such that the starter will only run with the clutch depressed? The Haynes book seems to think so and I haven't cracked the Mercedes book, but I don't think mine has.

John in ID

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: John got his Mercedes stolen

 

OK I see the link only shows a pic. The story is John Travolta got his Mercedes stolen right down the street from Brian and Nate and Nate's bro in LA. Shoot those guys, max

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "max_stemple" <jasperezra@...> wrote:
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> http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AqNAo5mtuOMjUbysEQx3td5Q0.d_;_ylu=X3oDMTFzcms5dmwxBG1pdANCbG9nIFBvc3QgQm9keSBNb3RvcmFtaWMEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ0JvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNlZ2drYnQyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNTVjY2I5YjktNTE5OS0zY2ZjLWI3MTUtODA2ZDVjNmNhMDlhBHBzdGNhdANuZXdzYW5kaW5mb3xtb3RvcmFtaWMEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdlBHRlc3QD;_ylv=0/SIG=122cgrlj3/EXP=1328832989/**http%3A//mit.zenfs.com/852/2012/01/brown70sl.jpg
>
> OK, I know this is a real bummer, but I still chuckled. I must be a bad bad man. I am betting he can afford insurance, I can't. BUt still the car thieves should be kneecapped or something along those lines. Max
>

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[diesel_mercedes] John got his Mercedes stolen

 
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[diesel_mercedes] Re: 1978 240D safety switch

 

Not mine. Max

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "jm7jm7jm" <tokens@...> wrote:
>
> Is there supposed to be a neutral safety switch equivalent on a manual transmission car such that the starter will only run with the clutch depressed? The Haynes book seems to think so and I haven't cracked the Mercedes book, but I don't think mine has.
>
> John in ID
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Posting on Ebay

 

I bought 3- 123's off Ebay, 2 were excellent, still have them, the other was OK, but had a worn out engine,, but still a good car. Max

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
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>
> Trish ;
>
> Older 'Benz were gassers when there was an " E " on the deck lid .
>
> Now , it's a whole body class...
>
> I look at the slimy dashboard and wonder what other tricks the seller has been up to .
>
> As a Mechanic who knows better , I have bought several vehicles off Flea-Bay , mostly at scrap price and _EVERY_TIME_ I got rooked .
>
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Posting on Ebay

 

The "E" designates a body series after 1993. We switched our model designations around in 1994. This car should read "E300 D Turbo (not TD).
 
Tom Hanson Mercedes Benz Classic Center USA MBUSA, LLC thomas.hanson@mbusa.com 949 598-4842 direct 949 598-4870 fax
From: Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Posting on Ebay

 
Kinda confused...I thought all "E" cars were gas...check out this posting...according to the emblems on the trunk, this IS an E Class Turbo Diesel.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-e300-Turbodiesel-Black-Black-beuty-NO-RESERVE-/300655245710?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item460072f98e








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