Diesel RVs: 01/17/08

Re: [Diesel-RVs] Cumins C8.3 300 DIY oil change

Hi Dean,

Its not just the engine size as some coach manufactures change the size of
the oil pan.

I have a 94 Monaco Dynasty with a C 8.3 that the Cummins book calls for 22
quarts but 20 brings it to full. You have to be careful of the long oil dip
sticks as the coach manufacturer provides them and they are sometimes
mismarked. Your 95 may have a Cummins installed dipstick under the exhaust
manifold. That is the bench mark to check the accuracy of the longer dip
stick. The only way 28 quarts would fit is if the pan is far larger than the
normal RV pan on the C 8.3 To be sure check with CC.

Here is a tip. Get a Fumoto valve instead of the stock oil drain plug. You
control the flow and its easy to drain the oil into empty oil jugs with no
mess.

Fred Hengel
94 Dynasty

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From: Dean
Date: 01/17/08 21:40:14
To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Cumins C8.3 300 DIY oil change

My manual says I have about 28 quarts of oil in the engine. I have
done six oil changes and each time have drained @ 20 quarts from the
system and filled with about twenty quarts. The quantity includes the
oil filter and spillage (which I always seem to accomplish).

My measurements are reasonably accurate. I have done the oil change
with the rear wheels on a 6 inch ramp and also on the ground with the
coach leveled.

What is your experience with this engine as to quantities at oil change?

Thanks
Dean
95 CC Magna, 300 Hp Cummins 8.3L mech

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Cumins C8.3 300 DIY oil change

Dean,

I have a 91 Monaco with 8.3 mech. I had a new 8.3 installed at Cummins NW
in Anchorage last July. The old engine always held 20 quarts at oil change.
The new engine has a 1 gallon bigger oil pan. We had to re-work the exhaust
because of the bigger pan but I did not like the way the exhaust was anyway.
The new engine held 28 quarts at first fill. The first oil change I did when we
got back to Seattle it held 24. So there is 4 quarts of oil running around
in there somewhere.

George

In a message dated 1/17/2008 6:40:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
gains44@yahoo.com writes:

My manual says I have about 28 quarts of oil in the engine. I have
done six oil changes and each time have drained @ 20 quarts from the
system and filled with about twenty quarts. The quantity includes the
oil filter and spillage (which I always seem to accomplish).

My measurements are reasonably accurate. I have done the oil change
with the rear wheels on a 6 inch ramp and also on the ground with the
coach leveled.

What is your experience with this engine as to quantities at oil change?

Thanks
Dean
95 CC Magna, 300 Hp Cummins 8.3L mech

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[Diesel-RVs] Cumins C8.3 300 DIY oil change

My manual says I have about 28 quarts of oil in the engine. I have
done six oil changes and each time have drained @ 20 quarts from the
system and filled with about twenty quarts. The quantity includes the
oil filter and spillage (which I always seem to accomplish).

My measurements are reasonably accurate. I have done the oil change
with the rear wheels on a 6 inch ramp and also on the ground with the
coach leveled.

What is your experience with this engine as to quantities at oil change?

Thanks
Dean
95 CC Magna, 300 Hp Cummins 8.3L mech

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[Diesel-RVs] Re: Rid-X

Have to disagree.

Rid-X does indeed build up in the black tank, even though the black
water is purged. Purging the tank does NOT eliminate the bacteria.

It also builds up very quickly to do its work. You do have to
continue to replace, just as you do in stick house environments. But
any bacterial treatment will work well... even the natural bacteria
that comes out of your body. Rid-X is more like a fast booster shot
that adds to the natural bacteria already present.

Smoky

--- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, "northstatebiker"
<djohnsonhot@...> wrote:
>
> It seems to me that people are misunderstanding what Rid-X does and
> does not do in a Septic Tank.
>
> It is for long-term use to build up friendly sewage digesting
> bacteria. It would never sit long enough in a Black Tank to make
any
> difference.
>
> Most RV treatments are good for odor control. Most RV-ers will
fill
> a black tank, in long term usage within 7 to 10 days anyway...in
that
> time Rid-X has not had enough of a duration to make enough bacteria,
> if any, to make any difference in the break down of solids.
>
> Here is what I have learned:
>
> 1. Use Septic safe toilet paper at least. Using RV toilet paper
> has not been something we do because of number two and three below:
>
> 2. Mix a ton of water when flushing unless you do not have hook-
ups.
> In that way, you dilute the contents for far easier flushing.
>
> 3. If you have EX-Flush system, that introduces water into your
black
> tank, use it and use it long enough for your water to run nearly
clear.
>
> 4. Every six months, take a cleaned paint pail (5 gallons) and
> introduce this into your black tank with some digester. Drive it to
> your campground and then dump. Or, you can use your EZ-Flush and
> fill it but this is a dangerous way to fill your tank. Driving
> around with fresh water in your tanks will really help keep them
clean.
>
> We use PineSol but I know there are folks here who think it is too
> strong and I can understand that they buy into the RV industry's
sales
> pitch. To each their own.
>
> 6. Anyway, again, every six months, introduce a digester of some
sort
> and fill your tank full. This sometimes will clean up the tank
> monitor contacts. I have heard all sorts of ideas about cleaning
the
> black tank including using rock salt, or ice, and then driving the
rig
> to clean them up. The salt idea seems novel but would it leave
behind
> remnants? I don't know....ice seems like a good idea.
>
> PineSol, since I have used it, has cleaned our tank completely and
we
> never have water level sensor issues any longer.
>
> DJ
>

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[Diesel-RVs] Re: RID-X

I have used bacterial only products for 5 years and never had a
problem. Rid-X is one of several products that work well. I often
use another product that has a series of liquid bacteria mixtures
that do different things. One I use from time to time is designed to
clear large drains.

Bacterial products create no smell while formaldehyde based products
replace sewage smell with an even worse smell, but one not associated
with human waste.

Smoky
--- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, "rvdreamin46" <rvdreamin46@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, "Al Schmadeke" <califguy2000@>
> wrote:
> >
> > What are the pros/cons of using rid-X in Black tank?
> > Seems to me it would be better as used in homes septic tanks.
> > Thanks for the help
> >
> > Al Schmadeke
> >
> Rid X says on their website that they haven't tested it for RV
> use and therefore make no representations that it will or won't
work.
> Bacteria are the way to go if you are going to use anything...but
Rid
> X isn't designed for holding tanks.
>
> One difference is that in some climates our holding tank water gets
> much hotter or much colder than water in a septic system which is
> underground far enough to be a nice even temp most of the time.
They
> say some of the RV bacteria products use critters that can survive
and
> work in high temps in particular.
>
> Rid-X has to be better, anyway, than formaldehyde or the so-called
> naturals that release formaldehyde even though they say formaldehyde
> free. Like.. bronopol (Thetfd natural) or the stuff in TST green --
> both produce formaldehyde. I'm a science freak who gets her
jollies I
> looking up what is in the stuff on the shelves since they all look
> alike in the store.
>
> Odorlos is a nitrate which is a fertilizer and I do not understand
how
> it works, but it did seem to do a pretty good job on odors, but it
> didn't seem to do a good job on helping to clean out our tank or
keep
> our gages clean. Plus I figured waste should already have plenty of
> nitrate in it and we don;t need more to find its way into streams or
> ground water if the parks dump station has any leaks.....
>
> Borax can be useful, but if you have pets or grandkids around, keep
it
> locked up and hard to find. I believe a quarter ounce or less can
> kill a pet or a small child and that isn't much!
>
> We have used another Wal-Mart product called RVTec100 for years
> whenever we can get it. Costs about $4.50 a bottle and goes a long
> way. Good odor eaters from our experience and leaves the tank and
> gages pretty clean. Love that price!
>
> Didn't mean to write a book....happy travels..
> Gwen Foley
>

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[Diesel-RVs] ultra low sulfur fuel in 2008 ford f-250

Does anyone know if there is an additive that will allow you to burn
low sulfur fuel in a engine that is made for ulsf. I want to drive
into Mexico where the fuel is still the 500 ppm.

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] In our Vacuum

I keep a close eye on used sales (since I can't afford new).
Used prevost prices are dropping - and not slowly... I saw a 98 or 99
single slide 45 for sale this week at $275K. That's easily $75K off what
I would have expected just a few months back. Non-slides, that's normal.
Now it had higher than average miles @ 225K, and the interior was not
something I could rationally tolerate (mottled black laminate and red
velvet!) - but condition was excellent.

northstatebiker wrote:

> Anyway, Dave, take a goosey-gander at the latest RV sales figure, and
> the manufacturer's public number and I would bet that fuel prices
> might be driving a bit of that.
>
> But, I agree with you: even at $6 a gallon, that would just double
> our fuel costs and we might drive a bit less. But, this is one of
> our chosen things to do and we stubbornly refuse to let high fuel
> prices keep us from enjoying it.
>
> DJ

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[Diesel-RVs] Re: Rid-X

That was really a side-slappingly funny point you made there, Chuck.
I'll take your advice and mix Pine-Sol AND Rid-X together.

Cleanest tanks in the country! ;)

--- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, Chuck & Mary Boros
<elmerfletcher@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Russ
> DJ just made several cases to use Rid-X to keep the smell dpwn.
Chuck B
>
> northstatebiker <djohnsonhot@...> wrote:
> Fred is on to something there, Russ.....I also have an
unused trap for
> a washer/dryer set up but we never installed the machines...it dried
> up and stunk like crazy.
>
> Another thing: those plastic traps under our sinks can be fragile
> and if you bang something into one of those, it can develop a very
> small crack which will allow gas to escape.
>
> One other possibility: your vent cap on the roof (actually two of
> them at least) may have some junk that is not allowing the vent to gas
> off and this could cause a terrible stink.
>
> When I first bought my rig new, the trap under the sink in the batch
> was cross-threaded and leaked.....I replaced it. The RV factories
> are always in a big hurry (esp high-vol mfg.) and they make these kind
> of mistakes.
>
> DJ
>
> --- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, fred hengel <fjh1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Russ,
> >
> > I bet it is from your grey tank. In my coach the Splendide washer
dryer
> > drain trap dries out from time to time when its not used and creates
> a smell
> > if the the water in the grey tank is more than three days old . A
short
> > rinse cycle will fill the trap and the smell disappears.
> >
> > The sink or shower can also let grey tank odors escape if not used
> > frequently. The grey water smells as bad as the black used too
> before Rid-X,
> > the Devil made me say that ! <BG>
> >
> > Seriously if you keep your drain traps full and empty the grey water
> tank
> > daily or every other day it will not smell. If I'm in a place where
> that can
> > not be done I will add some Rid-x to the grey tank otherwise I use
> nothing.
> >
> > Any one of the Venturi design roof vents will also help. But like
> everything
> > else in the RV world, one size NEVER fits all.
> >
> > Fred Hengel
> >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Russ Waterhouse
> > Date: 01/16/08 13:32:11
> > To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Diesel-RV's] Rid-X
> >
> > Jim,
> > I do have a problem in my coach. Since I did not buy it new, I do
> not know
> > how it was
> > cared for in the first 10 years. In the hot weather, I notice this
> mainly
> > while on the
> > road (as opposed to be camped for several days) an odor from what
smells
> > like the black
> > tank, toilet. My toilet is in a separate room in the bath. I keep
> water in
> > the toilet,
> > and the seal is good to not leak out during the day's drive. I have
> tried
> > some of the
> > commercial holding tank stuff, doubling the dose. I have tried Tide
> Laundry
> > soap and lots
> > of water for a drive. Better but still the odor is there. Where it
> is coming
> > from I cannot
> > tell either as the vent tube is hidden in the wall, but from the
top, it
> > appears to be
> > open. Any suggestions as to cleaning and de-odorizing. I will try
> the Pine
> > sol, I have not
> > used it yet.
> > This is not my first RV, but probably the 7-8th? Never had this
problem
> > before, I
> > usually keep one of the commercial tank de-odorizes in if parked for
> a while
> > or, like you
> > say, nothing, just flush out every couple of days if the weather is
> not real
> > hot.. over
> > 80.
> > Russ
> > 34' 1996 HMC Aerosport Special Edition Cummins 8.3 - 300 HP
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Godward" <ac7po@>
> > To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Diesel-RVs] Rid-X
> >
> > : Russ,
> > :
> > : You could join many of us and use nothing in our tanks. Just flush
> out all
> > : the past "Stuff" and continue on your way. Use plenty of water
> when you
> > : flush and dump when the tanks are nearly full.
> > :
> > : We started on the advice of friends in 1995 and have never used
> anything
> > : since in the previous MH nor this one. This one has never had
anything
> > : added to the tanks.
> > :
> > : It took about a week or so to "season" at first but since then
all has
> > been
> > : approved by the wife!!
> > :
> > : Jim
> > : James Godward
> > : On the Road From
> > : Belgrade, MT
> > : ~
> > : ----- Original Message -----
> > : From: "Russ Waterhouse" <mredsel890@>
> > : To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
> > : Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:19 AM
> > : Subject: Re: [Diesel-RVs] Rid-X
> > :
> > :
> > : > And could you quote some? Usually a product designed for one use
> is the
> > : > BEST use for that
> > : > product. I can use dishwashing soap to wash a car, but is it the
> best?
> > Rid
> > : > X requires time
> > : > to work. If you camp and do not dump for a long time, possibly
> it does
> > : > the same job as
> > : > products designed to do the same.
> > : > There are more products misused than actually used correctly.
> EXAMPLE;
> > : > correct
> > : > information on the internet.
> > : > Russ
> > :
> > :
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[Diesel-RVs] In our Vacuum

Hi,

Dave Head wrote:

............."Even with a 2 dollar increase in fuel, its the cheapest
expense I have.

In FL we have plenty of local campgrounds to visit to save money and
still enjoy the RV."

I absolutely agree with you but I was not talking about "us" but
"them" and those "them folks" (them-thar folks) are people with likely
way less retirement income to afford these rigs. But, as you do, I
have justified the expense because there is no other more fun way to
travel in such luxury. Besides, there are very few Hotel Rooms
(except maybe the Boss's Suite in Paris that he let me use, because he
was not in town, back in the 80's) that come close to our suite ride.

Them thar folks, though, will be looking at $6 fuel and will be turned
off. I am talking Class C buyers or families who up to now could
justify letting their RV's sit most of the time and then still drive
around on relatively cheap fuel. We have close friends quite a bit
younger than we are who own one of those Jayco Diesel rigs and they
are rarely using it and he did mention that now with fuel up so high
that they might dump it because of many reasons including the
depreciation and fuel expense.

Anyway, Dave, take a goosey-gander at the latest RV sales figure, and
the manufacturer's public number and I would bet that fuel prices
might be driving a bit of that.

But, I agree with you: even at $6 a gallon, that would just double
our fuel costs and we might drive a bit less. But, this is one of
our chosen things to do and we stubbornly refuse to let high fuel
prices keep us from enjoying it.

DJ

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