Diesel RVs: 01/23/08

Re: [diesel_mercedes] Classic Center contact?

In a message dated 1/23/2008 9:58:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, halfviking@yahoo.com writes:

Here I am !! I've been away, and am going away again
next week for two weeks!! You can call Woody or Scott
there anytime, 949 598-4850.

Tom,

Thanks for responding. I have a slightly different question from normal. Mostly on this list we're looking for mechanical or body part information. But I've discovered that the 560SEL (and maybe other 126 models) have amplifier modules mounted on the metal panel behind the rear seat. These appear to drive the rear deck speakers.

I want to locate schematics and any available tech literature on these modules. They look like an interesting balanced circuit design with symetrical pairs of TDA7232 preamps driving symetrical TDA7260 chips driving pairs of power transistors.

I'm thinking that they should be an easy install into my 300SD and maybe into Nate's 300CD, for better stereo. But knowing basic stuff like what the connections are on the multipin connector is necessary.

Also as an old audio tech, I'm just interested in what makes them work.

The modules have a few rows of numbers on them. The top row is 126 820 1489.

The next row is 599.344-819.

The next row is 963 DB.

The bottom row is V 21208158 (one module) and V 21323105 (second module). So I'm guessing the bottom row is the serial number.

If there is any information available on these I would be delighted. Please let me know as soon as possible.

I hope your "going away" for the next two week is for vacation or something else good, rather than for any problem.

Cordially,

Tom Hall

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Classic Center contact?

--- audiolaw@aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone happen to have the name of the fellow at
> the MBZ Classic Center
> in Irvine who pops up with messages from time to
> time? How about his phone
> #?
>
> Thanx in advance,
> Tom
>
>
>
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Here I am !! I've been away, and am going away again
next week for two weeks!! You can call Woody or Scott
there anytime, 949 598-4850.

Tom Hanson
Mercedes Benz Classic Center USA
thomas.hanson@mbusa.com

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] House WATER PUMPS

Mike,
Many water pumps that fail has to do with high back flow pressure from the hot water heaters. Hot water heaters need to have the top of the tank head space of air. If not, the heated water expands from heating and puts high pressure back on the cold water input to the tank. That higher pressure goes back to the output side of the water pump causing internal failure to the water pump parts. A accumulator tank on the output side of the water pump will compensate for the back flow pressure. Some folks have recommended a back flow valve attached to the input cold water line at the water heater. Most water heater manufacturers advise against that. Shurflo's high end pump line had high pressure back flow failure problems and the water pumps had to be redesigned so that the pump can withstand the higher pressure. All known vendor stock was to be replaced as of last August. Camping World now has the new designed pumps in stock. You can tell the new design by the pump
housing. Shurflo warrentee's their high end line for 3 years. Aquahot equipped coaches do not have that problem. Chuck B

vozella08055 <vozella@verizon.net> wrote:
I know that many members just want to talk engines but.......my cheapie water pump that
came with my pusher failed for the second time. What is the best pump you can buy for your
coach.....Shurflow, Flojet etc...I don't care what it cost, I want the best!

Mike

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RE: [Diesel-RVs] House WATER PUMPS

Usually it's the pressure sensor that goes out. You can buy rebuild kits
for most pumps. Get the pump model number and order the rebuild kit from
your local West Marine or Chandlery. Not hard to do at all.

Bob Bartleson
'97 Holiday Rambler 35 CDS, Cat 3126,
2K Accord, FMCA F319719

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From: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com] On
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:26 PM
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Subject: [Diesel-RVs] House WATER PUMPS

I know that many members just want to talk engines but.......my cheapie
water pump that
came with my pusher failed for the second time. What is the best pump you
can buy for your
coach.....Shurflow, Flojet etc...I don't care what it cost, I want the best!

Mike

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[diesel_mercedes] Greasecar W-123 300TD On CBS News

Didn't anyone see this ? I was checking my eyelids for holes in font
of the Telly when the announcer made a ' teaser ' : Fillup for .25
CENTS a gallon ? coming up next ' ~ that woke me right up .

It turns out there's a gentleman in Wellsley , Ma. who has a cherry
bronze turbo Diesel wagon and he's converted it to run on fry oil he
gets for free and filters in his garage , the primary particulate
filter looked like a gym punching bag (the BIG hanging typ like in
high school) , when he popped the hood it was clean as a whistle , ran
well too .

I guess the segment has been in the can for awhile as they showed them
outside with dry green lawns and it's all snowed in there right now .

CBS' Evening News With Katie Couric .

-Nate

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Where's Newdle?

I tried e-mailing him directly , his mailbox is full.....

I miss him too .

-Nate
Henry wrote:
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> Any one know?
> I miss his contributions............
>
> Henry
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[diesel_mercedes] Re: O.T. : Moto Physics

?! A _GOLD_WING_ ?! EWwwwww.....

we're talking MOTOCYCLES here , not Road Sofas =8-) .

-NAte
Jeff wrote:
>
> > Prolly was an old fart like me ~ when first I read of this in MCN
> > magazine , I said ' Bullshyte ! ' ~ then I tried it and Lo ! it
works
> > like a charm , I'd been doing it all along and just didn't
understand
> > the Physics involved ..
> >
> T'was an older gentleman, true...
> The physics are simple, once you get your head wrapped 'round 'em.
The
> average (read all) motorcycle has it's centre of gravity somewhere
above
> ground, usually some couple of feet. That's why most fall down
without some
> form of support. Now, when riding, that 'support' is the input
from the
> rider and the gyroscopic force from the rotating wheels. Rider
input is in
> two forms - leaning and moving the handlebars. Leaning is not too
effective
> on a bike weighing 500 pounds or more, but it is how many riders
steer,
> they're just unaware of it.
> Moving the handlebars is much more effective, but you need to be
aware of
> what you are doing to effect the appropriate response.
> The technique called counter-steering is the way bikes are
turned 'round a
> bend, and it works thusly: When you push on the right bar, the
wheel twists
> to the left (solid connection twixt 'bar and wheel, we hope...).
However,
> the bike leans to the right, and thus turns right. Why?? Turning
the wheel
> to the left moves the contact of the tyres to the left of the
bike, in
> effect moving the lower portion of the bike's weight to the left.
Since the
> centre of gravity is high, this makes the bike lean right. Think
of you on a
> skateboard (think of it, don't DO it!!). Now, whilst looking
forward,
> suppose someone kicks the board forward as well. You land on your
bum, no??
> That's because your centre of gravity is also high (loss of hair
does not
> lower the centre appreciably, I know by personal experience).
> Those are the basic physics of steering a motorcycle. Works the
same on a
> bicycle, but harder to tell, as leaning a 17 pound bicycle is
slightly more
> effective than the same lean effort on a Gold Wing...even with
empty bags...
>
> Jeff
>

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OT Copyright (was: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: CD's, Manuals, etc)

Tom,

This is off topic but I feel you are out of line to lecture someone who is just getting by economically that they should send more money to your multi-millionaire client.

Just because he is the lucky recipient of the happenstance that the founding fathers created a legal framework he could use to charge others for something he does and that Disney's lobbyists were able to buy some Congresscritters to extend that framework, does not make his legal claims into a moral position. If someone wants to copy a DVD, the legal structure you use for a living does not make his entertainment choices immoral.

That you might win a legal case does not make the losing side of the legal game a moral condemnation of the person.

Let's get back to diesels.

Bobby

On 1/23/08, audiolaw@aol.com <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 1/22/2008 6:12:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, RGPranin@aol.com writes:

I want to state for the record "Don't sweat it, It's cool" this is totally not for profit. and legal. Them suing me would make my day. The only way I can get payback is if they actually waste money on suing me

Rodney,

    I wouldn't presume to advise you on Admiralty Law, which is the only category of law I noticed you listed under by the Long Beach Bar Assn. Not entertainment, intellectual property or copyrights.

    It's a touchy subject right now, particularly with the Writers' Strike continuing. I have clients who make their living by writing and/or performing. None of them are real thrilled that modern technology makes it possible for anyone to copy their work and leave them unpaid.

    There is room for "fair use", and for sharing manuals and other books. But outright copying and distributing the copies, which appears to be what you were originally offering, goes beyond either fair use or sharing.

    You may have a philosophical contempt for private property, or the rights of creative artists, or just for those people who write poor, misspelled, overpriced instructions. But as an attorney, you should know better than most people that the law does not permit one to act on personal whim.

    There are rules. We are required to stop at traffic lights, even when we think we're fast enough to cross the intersection ahead of oncoming traffic. We are not permitted to put ag fuel in our over-the-road vehicles, even if the gropenator is going to reduce the number of inspectors and increase our chances of getting away with it.

    Individuals have the right to start and run their own businesses, for their own profit (or loss). If that business is writing really bad instruction books for car repairs, the business may be subject to public criticism and advice not to buy the product. But just because someone feels that the product is poorly made does not give that person the right to copy the product and sell or give it away in competition with the business that originated the product.

    One of my clients was nominated for a 'Best Actor' Oscar this morning. That client invests his time, energy and creative skill into transforming someone elses (sometimes his own) writing into theatrical presentations. If everyone could just rip-off his performances with their home DVD writer, he, and the hundreds of other people involved in making his films would lose their income - lose their ability to create the performances, and deprive both them AND the audience of the opportunity to pursue their own interests.

    Why should any individual's desire to lash out at a business they don't like be a justification from stealing the food from the mouths of the people who created that business, or the products from the customers who don't share the contempt of the critic?

    Copyrights have a purpose, just as traffic laws do. Why should any of us be permitted to pick and choose which laws we want to obey and which we want to flaunt?

Tom

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] House WATER PUMPS

Mike,
I do not think you have much choice. I have only had one water pump go out in my 39
years of RV'ing. That was my fault as I forgot to turn off the pump when I opened the
drain on the water tank. My surflo pump froze last winter, again, my fault, as I did not
drain it properly. I got a rebuild kit for the pump end and no problem. It is a Shurflo.
Now, my pump of choice.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "vozella08055" <vozella@verizon.net>
To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:25 PM
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] House WATER PUMPS

:I know that many members just want to talk engines but.......my cheapie water pump that
: came with my pusher failed for the second time. What is the best pump you can buy for
your
: coach.....Shurflow, Flojet etc...I don't care what it cost, I want the best!
:
: Mike
:
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot! age

Art,
What do you mean "Old age is not golden"? It is if your name ends with M.D.
Yes, we should be thankful that we still can do and not become a problem in society.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur B" <artandnancyb@yahoo.com>
To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

: Hi Russ,
: I know what you are talking about.. There are many things that I can no longer
do.Spinal Stenosis as well as Arthritis. Of course we should be glad that we are able to
do what we can. You think your mechanic charged a lot?? The Sunday before Thanksgiving I
started to hemorrhage. A trip to the emergency room. Surgery on Monday and I got out Wed.
Afternoon. Not counting the doctors charges the hospital bill alone was $53,000. Old
age is not golden.
: Art B.
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
: Russ Waterhouse <mredsel890@earthlink.net> wrote:
: Ron,
: Yes, My coach is a rear radiator, the only thing I would change if I could, put it on
: the side to make the engine more accessible. But he had to replace two thermostats. I
: checked on my engine, yes, there are two side by side and the thermostat housing. The
: housing the t-stats are in, has the bolt attachments for the belt tensioner. So it was
not
: just the belts he was replacing. Still, to charge for something that had to be R & R'd,
: anyway because they were new is, to me, not really business like. His shop does charge
: $70 per hour, which is a great rate, so I guess he needs to profit somewhere.
: I just had a Ford AOD trans rebuilt in my '88 Squire wagon for $750. This included R
: & R also. Some people out there still do good work for a fair price.
: The worst part of this whole thing is that 10 years ago I would have done all this my
: self. To have to step back and say "I cannot do that anymore" is the hardest thing. My
: arthritis is taking over my life, unwillingly to me, and I must admit there are some
: things I cannot do anymore. Still, I am attempting to build another street rod.
: Russ
: 34' 1996 HMC Aerosport Special Edition Cummins 8.3 - 300 HP
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "r1j2nicky" <r1j2nicky@yahoo.com>
: To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:56 AM
: Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!
:
:: Russ, I am with you, even with a rear radiator,$700.00 for belt
:: replacement is way too high! 5 years ago when I retired (Had my own
:: transmission shop)I was rebuilding rear drive transmissions for that
:: kind of money!! and as far as using flat rate, that's not the
:: problem ,flat rate protects you from greedy shops that otherwise
:: would charge whatever rate they choose. If you are a tech that is
:: worth $100.00 an hour, which there is when it come to some very
:: technical repairs,why are you out there replacing belts and oil
:: changes? It's like Paying the guy that washes your car the same as
:: the guy who rebuilt your engine or trans ! just my thoughts Ron ---
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: Saturn 2000LW2 V6,
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[diesel_mercedes] Where's Newdle?

Any one know?
I miss his contributions............

Henry

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Classic Center contact?

I think it is Tom Hanson......
Great guy to deal with, in my experience........

He lurks here, so, will usually respond if someone is looking for him.

Henry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Ditwiler" <Eric_Ditwiler@hmc.edu>
To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Classic Center contact?

> Tom Hanson?
>
> Eric Ditwiler
> Director, Academic Operations
> Harvey Mudd College
> 909-607-3134
> eric_ditwiler@hmc.edu
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:23 PM, audiolaw@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Does anyone happen to have the name of the fellow at the MBZ
>> Classic Center in Irvine who pops up with messages from time to
>> time? How about his phone #?
>>
>> Thanx in advance,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.
>>
>
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Classic Center contact?

Tom Hanson?

Eric Ditwiler

Director, Academic Operations

Harvey Mudd College

909-607-3134

eric_ditwiler@hmc.edu

On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:23 PM, audiolaw@aol.com wrote:

Does anyone happen to have the name of the fellow at the MBZ Classic Center in Irvine who pops up with messages from time to time? How about his phone #?

Thanx in advance,

Tom

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Suburban NT-35K furnace

We had the old furnace problem with our 94 Vectra. You might check the Surburban web site.We live in Texas so we downsized one size to prevent short cycling..Our smaller unit fit perfectly. I feel sure there may be a size that was overlooked. JBR

Chuck & Mary Boros <elmerfletcher@yahoo.com> wrote: Bill,
Try arizona RV Inc. They are a RV junk yard and have a lot of used parts including furnaces.
www.arvinc. com Chuck B

Bill Davis <sonorabill@hotmail.com> wrote:
The propane furnace in our RV has started making a terrible noise.
Probably the bearings in the motor dying or something. The furnace is
a Suburban NT-35K, 35,000BTU. I figured with the age of the furnace,
it was just as good an idea to totally replace the unit with a new
one; than mess with changing the motor and maybe curing the problem or
not.

So I ordered a new Suburban NT-40S (40,000BTU) from PPL motorhomes in
Houston TX. It arrived UPS yesterday. After unpacking it, my wife
immediately says it looks bigger than the place where it goes. So I
slide it over next to the location and the new one is about 3 inches
taller and would bump into the reefer door, instead of fitting
underneath. So a call to PPL and I find ALL the new Suburban NT
furnaces are this size now, regardless of BTU rating.

About the only one they make that might fit is a SF-35 a low profile
unit about 2" shorter than what I have now. But about 5 inches wider
also to make up for it. Looking into the spot the furnace is
installed; shows a water pipe sits in some of those 5 inches. So shy
of re-plumbing the water line with those swagged on fittings the RV
makers use, the other furnace won't fit either.

I looked at Atwood furnaces to see if they have one that would fit,
but their's look about the same. So can't just switch brands.

So at the moment have sent the new one back to TX and maybe will buy a
motor & fan for the old one, about $200 ( 1/3 the cost of all new
unit). Bummer is PPL may well charge a restocking fee of $130. So
don't know if I'd order the motor from them, unless they waive the charge.

Any ideas as to maybe a place that still sells the older obsolete size
furnace? Or maybe some other work around solution?

Bill Davis
37' Safari Continental '93

Chuck & Mary Boros
04 Windsor 02 Ford Ranger
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] House WATER PUMPS

I have had tremendous luck with Shurflo
SF

----- Original Message -----
From: vozella08055
To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:25 PM
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] House WATER PUMPS

I know that many members just want to talk engines but.......my cheapie water pump that
came with my pusher failed for the second time. What is the best pump you can buy for your
coach.....Shurflow, Flojet etc...I don't care what it cost, I want the best!

Mike

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I know that many members just want to talk engines but.......my cheapie water pump that
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Classic Center contact?

Does anyone happen to have the name of the fellow at the MBZ Classic Center in Irvine who pops up with messages from time to time? How about his phone #?

Thanx in advance,

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Ludwig Rides again! Torque spec for little allen-head head bolts?

I noticed that--right after I filled up for 10 cents more.

Eric Ditwiler

Director, Academic Operations

Harvey Mudd College

909-607-3134

eric_ditwiler@hmc.edu

On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:04 PM, BStromsoe wrote:

Eric - as long as you are operational I will disclose my well guarded secret; to wit, the Union station at the corner of Foothill and Towne that recently reopened - has diesel at $3.29 / gallon.

brian

Eric Ditwiler <Eric_Ditwiler@hmc.edu> wrote:
The rebuilt head and turbo are in my 82 300CD.

Turbo blows 13psi and that is close to the upper limit of 13.25.

One remaining issue: I could never find the proper torque for the 3 little allen head head bolts and apparently did not torque them sufficiently as I have a leak between the head and the block at the back side of the little cul de sac that houses the chain. One is under the cruise control (which I am now glad I did not reinstall) and the other two are under the valve cover on the inside of the front facing portion of the head.

Does any one know the torque for the little head bolts

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Ludwig Rides again! Torque spec for little allen-head head bolts?

Eric - as long as you are operational I will disclose my well guarded secret; to wit, the Union station at the corner of Foothill and Towne that recently reopened - has diesel at $3.29 / gallon.

brian

Eric Ditwiler <Eric_Ditwiler@hmc.edu> wrote:

The rebuilt head and turbo are in my 82 300CD.

Turbo blows 13psi and that is close to the upper limit of 13.25.

One remaining issue: I could never find the proper torque for the 3 little allen head head bolts and apparently did not torque them sufficiently as I have a leak between the head and the block at the back side of the little cul de sac that houses the chain. One is under the cruise control (which I am now glad I did not reinstall) and the other two are under the valve cover on the inside of the front facing portion of the head.

Does any one know the torque for the little head bolts

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

Hi Art,

When you consider the alternative the 53 grand was a real bargain. Remember
it's only money.

You were blessed with the proper "Mechanics" and facilities at the right
time and place.

Stay Well we enjoy your posts.

Fred Hengel

-------Original Message-------

From: Arthur B
Date: 01/23/08 17:55:15
To: Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

Hi Russ,
I know what you are talking about.. There are many things that I can no
longer do.Spinal Stenosis as well as Arthritis. Of course we should be glad
that we are able to do what we can. You think your mechanic charged a lot??
The Sunday before Thanksgiving I started to hemorrhage. A trip to the
emergency room. Surgery on Monday and I got out Wed. Afternoon. Not counting
the doctors charges the hospital bill alone was $53,000. Old age is not
golden.
Art B.

I just had a Ford AOD trans rebuilt in my '88 Squire wagon for $750. This
included R
& R also. Some people out there still do good work for a fair price.
The worst part of this whole thing is that 10 years ago I would have done
all this my
self. To have to step back and say "I cannot do that anymore" is the hardest
thing. My
arthritis is taking over my life, unwillingly to me, and I must admit there
are some
things I cannot do anymore. Still, I am attempting to build another street
rod.
Russ
34' 1996 HMC Aerosport Special Edition Cummins 8.3 - 300 HP
----- Original Message -----
From: "r1j2nicky" <r1j2nicky@yahoo.com>
To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

: Russ, I am with you, even with a rear radiator,$700.00 for belt
: replacement is way too high! 5 years ago when I retired (Had my own
: transmission shop)I was rebuilding rear drive transmissions for that
: kind of money!! and as far as using flat rate, that's not the
: problem ,flat rate protects you from greedy shops that otherwise
: would charge whatever rate they choose. If you are a tech that is
: worth $100.00 an hour, which there is when it come to some very
: technical repairs,why are you out there replacing belts and oil
: changes? It's like Paying the guy that washes your car the same as
: the guy who rebuilt your engine or trans ! just my thoughts Ron ---
:

Arthur Balazs
89 Monaco Crown Royale 8.3 Cummins
Saturn 2000LW2 V6,

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

Hi Russ,
I know what you are talking about.. There are many things that I can no longer do.Spinal Stenosis as well as Arthritis. Of course we should be glad that we are able to do what we can. You think your mechanic charged a lot?? The Sunday before Thanksgiving I started to hemorrhage. A trip to the emergency room. Surgery on Monday and I got out Wed. Afternoon. Not counting the doctors charges the hospital bill alone was $53,000. Old age is not golden.
Art B.

Russ Waterhouse <mredsel890@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ron,
Yes, My coach is a rear radiator, the only thing I would change if I could, put it on
the side to make the engine more accessible. But he had to replace two thermostats. I
checked on my engine, yes, there are two side by side and the thermostat housing. The
housing the t-stats are in, has the bolt attachments for the belt tensioner. So it was not
just the belts he was replacing. Still, to charge for something that had to be R & R'd,
anyway because they were new is, to me, not really business like. His shop does charge
$70 per hour, which is a great rate, so I guess he needs to profit somewhere.
I just had a Ford AOD trans rebuilt in my '88 Squire wagon for $750. This included R
& R also. Some people out there still do good work for a fair price.
The worst part of this whole thing is that 10 years ago I would have done all this my
self. To have to step back and say "I cannot do that anymore" is the hardest thing. My
arthritis is taking over my life, unwillingly to me, and I must admit there are some
things I cannot do anymore. Still, I am attempting to build another street rod.
Russ
34' 1996 HMC Aerosport Special Edition Cummins 8.3 - 300 HP
----- Original Message -----
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To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

Bob,
I have a Cummins 8.3. As I said in another note, the belt tensioner is bolted to the
T-stat housing... and rechecking my book, the alternator also has to come off to replace
the thermostats. Seems when Cummins decided to add accessories to the motor, everything
has to be bolted to the t-stat housing.
Russ
34' 1996 HMC Aerosport Special Edition Cummins 8.3 - 300 HP
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Diesel-RVs] C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

:
: I don't understand something here. I've replaced my thermostat twice and haven't had to
remove a belt to do it. What engine do you have that requires you to remove belts to
change t-stats?
:
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

Ron,
Yes, My coach is a rear radiator, the only thing I would change if I could, put it on
the side to make the engine more accessible. But he had to replace two thermostats. I
checked on my engine, yes, there are two side by side and the thermostat housing. The
housing the t-stats are in, has the bolt attachments for the belt tensioner. So it was not
just the belts he was replacing. Still, to charge for something that had to be R & R'd,
anyway because they were new is, to me, not really business like. His shop does charge
$70 per hour, which is a great rate, so I guess he needs to profit somewhere.
I just had a Ford AOD trans rebuilt in my '88 Squire wagon for $750. This included R
& R also. Some people out there still do good work for a fair price.
The worst part of this whole thing is that 10 years ago I would have done all this my
self. To have to step back and say "I cannot do that anymore" is the hardest thing. My
arthritis is taking over my life, unwillingly to me, and I must admit there are some
things I cannot do anymore. Still, I am attempting to build another street rod.
Russ
34' 1996 HMC Aerosport Special Edition Cummins 8.3 - 300 HP
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

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RE: [Diesel-RVs] C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

I don't understand something here. I've replaced my thermostat twice and haven't had to remove a belt to do it. What engine do you have that requires you to remove belts to change t-stats?

Bob Bartleson
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[Diesel-RVs] Re: Suburban NT-35K furnace

Bill:

There are many, many RV salvage yards. I've been to half a dozen or
so just in NE Indiana.

Go here:

http://www.timberman.com/salvage.htm

to find most of them throughout the country.

Ken
'96 Safari, 35', CAT 300

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> Bill,
> Try arizona RV Inc. They are a RV junk yard and have a lot of
used parts including furnaces.
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www.arvinc. com Chuck B
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

Chuck,
You might be right on this... I should have argued but I had other things on my mind.
Russ
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To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Diesel-RVs] C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

: Russ,
: Could it possibly be that most of these shops now have computers that have software to
determine the bill according to the work performed? I know at most Cummins shops I been
to the tech loads in the work performed and the parts used. The computer then generates a
bill.
: If so, may be only the shop manager can over ride the costs. Chuck B
:
: Russ Waterhouse <mredsel890@earthlink.net> wrote:
: Recently I had to have the thermostats replaced in my Coach. While at it, I had
the shop
: (an independent truck repair shop) replace the belts, just for my mental security. He
: charged me to do the belts on top of the thermostats even though they had to come off to
: replace the t-stats. I ended up with a $500 bill including parts.
: His explanation was, they were "new" belts (like they have to be specially bent to
: fit the pulleys?).
: I am looking for a better shop.... at least one that I feel is honest in pricing.
: Russ
: 34' 1996 HMC Aerosport Special Edition Cummins 8.3 - 300 HP
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "m_hondros" <mgh122@aol.com>
: To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:05 AM
: Subject: [Diesel-RVs] C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!
:
:: Well we left Waveland on our way to Topsail Sunday morning, got to
:: Mobile on rt 10 and the rig started to overheat. Got off the hiway and
:: called coachnet they dispatched a tow and contacted Empire Truck sale
:: for repair. Found out we couldn't stay with the coach. Did a search of
:: local CG found one less that 1/4 mile away. Let it cool down and made
:: it no problem. Monday AM we started to the shop got halfway and
:: overheated again. Called Coachnet again they dispatched and said it
:: would be 1-1 1/2 hours. 2 hours later no tow, called them back they
:: said the was a fatal accident and the wrecker was sidetracked. After
:: another 30 minutes I decided it had cooled to 130 so I made it to the
:: shop. I had emptied the closet and moved the bed prior to arrival.
:: They pulled up the floor boards and did a check apparently the
:: waterpump drive belt had broken and the other was frayed. They had to
:: order the waterpump belt wouldn't be in until Tuesday AM, Now we had
:: to find a hotel that would take Zeus and the new kitty, not easy. This
:: morning after a sleepless night in a Redroof Inn I called the shop at
:: 9:30, was told come on over the the coach is ready. Get there and it's
:: outside idling. Went in and got the bill, 6 hours labor $584, total
:: $778 with parts and tax. I asked to explain and was told they were
:: giving me a $10 hour discount. I know he only spent 2 hours on Monday
:: and he said the part was being delivered at 8 AM Tuesday so give him 2
:: hours. Paid with credit card. the question is is that a reasonable cost?
::
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[Diesel-RVs] Re: C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

Russ, I am with you, even with a rear radiator,$700.00 for belt
replacement is way too high! 5 years ago when I retired (Had my own
transmission shop)I was rebuilding rear drive transmissions for that
kind of money!! and as far as using flat rate, that's not the
problem ,flat rate protects you from greedy shops that otherwise
would charge whatever rate they choose. If you are a tech that is
worth $100.00 an hour, which there is when it come to some very
technical repairs,why are you out there replacing belts and oil
changes? It's like Paying the guy that washes your car the same as
the guy who rebuilt your engine or trans ! just my thoughts Ron ---
In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, "Russ Waterhouse" <mredsel890@...>
wrote:
>
> Recently I had to have the thermostats replaced in my Coach. While
at it, I had the shop
> (an independent truck repair shop) replace the belts, just for my
mental security. He
> charged me to do the belts on top of the thermostats even though
they had to come off to
> replace the t-stats. I ended up with a $500 bill including parts.
> His explanation was, they were "new" belts (like they have to
be specially bent to
> fit the pulleys?).
> I am looking for a better shop.... at least one that I feel is
honest in pricing.
> Russ
> 34' 1996 HMC Aerosport Special Edition Cummins 8.3 - 300 HP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "m_hondros" <mgh122@...>
> To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:05 AM
> Subject: [Diesel-RVs] C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!
>
>
> : Well we left Waveland on our way to Topsail Sunday morning, got to
> : Mobile on rt 10 and the rig started to overheat. Got off the
hiway and
> : called coachnet they dispatched a tow and contacted Empire Truck
sale
> : for repair. Found out we couldn't stay with the coach. Did a
search of
> : local CG found one less that 1/4 mile away. Let it cool down and
made
> : it no problem. Monday AM we started to the shop got halfway and
> : overheated again. Called Coachnet again they dispatched and said
it
> : would be 1-1 1/2 hours. 2 hours later no tow, called them back
they
> : said the was a fatal accident and the wrecker was sidetracked.
After
> : another 30 minutes I decided it had cooled to 130 so I made it to
the
> : shop. I had emptied the closet and moved the bed prior to arrival.
> : They pulled up the floor boards and did a check apparently the
> : waterpump drive belt had broken and the other was frayed. They
had to
> : order the waterpump belt wouldn't be in until Tuesday AM, Now we
had
> : to find a hotel that would take Zeus and the new kitty, not easy.
This
> : morning after a sleepless night in a Redroof Inn I called the
shop at
> : 9:30, was told come on over the the coach is ready. Get there and
it's
> : outside idling. Went in and got the bill, 6 hours labor $584,
total
> : $778 with parts and tax. I asked to explain and was told they were
> : giving me a $10 hour discount. I know he only spent 2 hours on
Monday
> : and he said the part was being delivered at 8 AM Tuesday so give
him 2
> : hours. Paid with credit card. the question is is that a
reasonable cost?
> :
> :
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Re: [Diesel-RVs] C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

Russ,
Could it possibly be that most of these shops now have computers that have software to determine the bill according to the work performed? I know at most Cummins shops I been to the tech loads in the work performed and the parts used. The computer then generates a bill.
If so, may be only the shop manager can over ride the costs. Chuck B

Russ Waterhouse <mredsel890@earthlink.net> wrote:
Recently I had to have the thermostats replaced in my Coach. While at it, I had the shop
(an independent truck repair shop) replace the belts, just for my mental security. He
charged me to do the belts on top of the thermostats even though they had to come off to
replace the t-stats. I ended up with a $500 bill including parts.
His explanation was, they were "new" belts (like they have to be specially bent to
fit the pulleys?).
I am looking for a better shop.... at least one that I feel is honest in pricing.
Russ
34' 1996 HMC Aerosport Special Edition Cummins 8.3 - 300 HP
----- Original Message -----
From: "m_hondros" <mgh122@aol.com>
To: <Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:05 AM
Subject: [Diesel-RVs] C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

: Well we left Waveland on our way to Topsail Sunday morning, got to
: Mobile on rt 10 and the rig started to overheat. Got off the hiway and
: called coachnet they dispatched a tow and contacted Empire Truck sale
: for repair. Found out we couldn't stay with the coach. Did a search of
: local CG found one less that 1/4 mile away. Let it cool down and made
: it no problem. Monday AM we started to the shop got halfway and
: overheated again. Called Coachnet again they dispatched and said it
: would be 1-1 1/2 hours. 2 hours later no tow, called them back they
: said the was a fatal accident and the wrecker was sidetracked. After
: another 30 minutes I decided it had cooled to 130 so I made it to the
: shop. I had emptied the closet and moved the bed prior to arrival.
: They pulled up the floor boards and did a check apparently the
: waterpump drive belt had broken and the other was frayed. They had to
: order the waterpump belt wouldn't be in until Tuesday AM, Now we had
: to find a hotel that would take Zeus and the new kitty, not easy. This
: morning after a sleepless night in a Redroof Inn I called the shop at
: 9:30, was told come on over the the coach is ready. Get there and it's
: outside idling. Went in and got the bill, 6 hours labor $584, total
: $778 with parts and tax. I asked to explain and was told they were
: giving me a $10 hour discount. I know he only spent 2 hours on Monday
: and he said the part was being delivered at 8 AM Tuesday so give him 2
: hours. Paid with credit card. the question is is that a reasonable cost?
:
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] O.T. : Moto Physics

Shucks - we retired paper boys know all that stuff. And, as a past skate boarder (tried it once) who bounced onto his ample bum in the kitchen, I can also verify that 250 pounds hitting the deck is a lkot different than my paperboy weight of 100 pounds - I think it is part of Isaac Newton's apple dropping business.

brian

Jeff Fennema <jeffcosmo@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Prolly was an old fart like me ~ when first I read of this in MCN
> magazine , I said ' Bullshyte ! ' ~ then I tried it and Lo ! it works
> like a charm , I'd been doing it all along and just didn't understand
> the Physics involved ..
>
T'was an older gentleman, true...
The physics are simple, once you get your head wrapped 'round 'em. The
average (read all) motorcycle has it's centre of gravity somewhere above
ground, usually some couple of feet. That's why most fall down without some
form of support. Now, when riding, that 'support' is the input from the
rider and the gyroscopic force from the rotating wheels. Rider input is in
two forms - leaning and moving the handlebars. Leaning is not too effective
on a bike weighing 500 pounds or more, but it is how many riders steer,
they're just unaware of it.
Moving the handlebars is much more effective, but you need to be aware of
what you are doing to effect the appropriate response.
The technique called counter-steering is the way bikes are turned 'round a
bend, and it works thusly: When you push on the right bar, the wheel twists
to the left (solid connection twixt 'bar and wheel, we hope...). However,
the bike leans to the right, and thus turns right. Why?? Turning the wheel
to the left moves the contact of the tyres to the left of the bike, in
effect moving the lower portion of the bike's weight to the left. Since the
centre of gravity is high, this makes the bike lean right. Think of you on a
skateboard (think of it, don't DO it!!). Now, whilst looking forward,
suppose someone kicks the board forward as well. You land on your bum, no??
That's because your centre of gravity is also high (loss of hair does not
lower the centre appreciably, I know by personal experience).
Those are the basic physics of steering a motorcycle. Works the same on a
bicycle, but harder to tell, as leaning a 17 pound bicycle is slightly more
effective than the same lean effort on a Gold Wing...even with empty bags...

Jeff

brian from la verne, ca

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[Diesel-RVs] Re: ceiling stain

--- In Diesel-RVs@yahoogroups.com, "Tom O'Connor" <tom@...> wrote:
>Thanks for the info, ordered some today.

Don
> Try some InstaGone. You can Google it, or find it on the As Seen On
> TV website. This is what the dealers use to get the spots out in this
> neck of the woods, and it is amazing! No trace of the brown stain
> remains.
>
> Tom O'Connor
> Publisher, Western RV News & Recreation
> 37' Rexhall Roseair 2003
>

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Re: [Diesel-RVs] C7 over heating. Now it's me that is hot!

Recently I had to have the thermostats replaced in my Coach. While at it, I had the shop
(an independent truck repair shop) replace the belts, just for my mental security. He
charged me to do the belts on top of the thermostats even though they had to come off to
replace the t-stats. I ended up with a $500 bill including parts.
His explanation was, they were "new" belts (like they have to be specially bent to
fit the pulleys?).
I am looking for a better shop.... at least one that I feel is honest in pricing.
Russ
34' 1996 HMC Aerosport Special Edition Cummins 8.3 - 300 HP
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