[diesel_mercedes] Re : Leaky Door Locks

 


This good diagnosis makes the next step clear ~ slide back the right front seat and remove the carpeting , un lock and lift up the black plastic cover so you can see the yellow plastic pipes and look for the black rubber "Y" connector holding the yellow with red stripe pipes all in a bunch , apply vacuum to each pipe in turn until you discern with door's vacuum chamber is leaking then take that door apart and replace the chamber remembering to _TEST_ the central locking & UNlocking -BEFORE- you close it all up and discover that _one_ door was connected reverse so it unlocks when you want it to lock and vice-versa .

Pretty simple , expect to need to replace the other 4 vacuum chambers within the year , might be prudent to buy and replace them all right now whilst they're still available & affordable .

-Nate
Stan wrote:
>
> On 1/15/2012 11:31 PM, Thomas Stanley wrote:
> > again: when wet (as in rain OR heavy-fog/overnight dew) the engine
> > shuts off quick & all the locks close when I lock the driver's door
> > (let's not mention the hard shifts for now [whoops!]. when dry, it's a
> > walk-around to manually open and lock all doors.
>
>
> I have been tracing the vacuum gremlin also. Lots of tutorials and
> diagrams on the web. Do a search of the group archives also. I finally
> figured out that when my locks are in "lock" position, I have no vacuum
> (or at least not enough to stop the engine). When the locks are in
> "unlock" position I have good vacuum. This tells me my problem is a
> leak in the "locking" vacuum circuit. Have not pulled the door panel
> yet but it feels good to have isolated the problem.
>
> --
> Stan George Portland <<
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Vacuum Fun (?)

 


WELCOME Tom .

Pretty much it's cheap to fix , only the _ labor_ can get to be $pendy and the Dealer is the very last place to have this typ of work done as they work "Flat Rate " and hate involved diagnosis jobs so they never do them correctly anyways .

If you win The Lotto , The Classic Center can do you right .

Otherwise , you'll need to buy a hand vacuum pump with gauge and begin testing and replacing the leaky bits .

Pretty much all the rubber "Y" connectors under the hood will need replacing as will many short bits or rubber hosing that connects the various plastic vacuum tubes to points and vacuum chambers here & there in the car .

It is important to use the correct vacuum hose and "Y" connectors , not the crap ones from Pep Boys as they'll die soon leaving you stranded with the engine running .

I've covered all this in excruciating , pain filled detail so I hope you'll give that a look before making me write it all out again , I'm hoping to soon go through all this one more time , this time on the Euro. Spec. '84/'85 300TD I'm building for my sweet .

-Nate
Tom wrote:
>
> well...this has been a long time coming.
>
> My name is Tom and I am the proud owner of a black 1981 300td (name of
> Olesia).
> I have been on this list since I first got the car almost 2 years ago, and
> read and study every post, oh...also laugh!
>
> It's really great to know where to turn to for "my fellows", regardless of
> age, gender or location who share my love for the older diesel merc's.
>
> I like to tell folks that my car was driven here from Stuttgart by way of
> Beirut-on-a-bad-day. (she looks as though she's seen some war, and carries
> scars to prove it.)
>
> Even though I live in Irvine (home of the Classic Center), I still haven't
> gone to check it out or hunt down the other Tom for questioning...
>
> Anyways, HELLOOOO o oo oo o oO o oo. sorry to be such a gnome, troll,
> silent hermit, etc.
>
> Now, my QUESTION:
> It's concerning my vacuum system. I know I have some issues here...
> Most of the time (when it's dry) I have to manually go and lock all my
> doors and check the hatch lid.
> When it is wet (not just cold and wet), like now with light rain,
> everything works perfect: car shuts down immediately, all the doors lock
> and hatch AND fuel door lock without a problem. I'm guessing this is how
> the system is supposed to work (duh, right?)
> Now I know I need to do some hunting to find what causes this leak, just
> wanted to bounce one of my "issues" off some more experienced minds.
>
> I have asked the local MB dealer, my mechanic (who specializes in diesel
> mercedes), and a friend who is an all-hats mechanic & I get 3 totally
> confusing answers that all involve lots of money and them thinking I am
> crazy for wanting to fix this money-pit.
>
> any thoughts?
>
> again: when wet (as in rain OR heavy-fog/overnight dew) the engine shuts
> off quick & all the locks close when I lock the driver's door (let's not
> mention the hard shifts for now [whoops!]. when dry, it's a walk-around to
> manually open and lock all doors.
>
> I guess I should mention that when dry, if I turn off the ignition and exit
> and lock the driver door while the engine still runs, all locks will close.
>
> never had any problem with the locks opening/unlocking. i.e. if I turn off
> the engine and wait for final shutoff (which seems to vary), all locks pop
> up.
>
> sorry to sound like such a neophyte. I can't even begin to describe some of
> the other problems I am having. suffice it to say I have had much help and
> hope just reading the posts and learning what does/doesn't work & what to
> expect.
>
> thanks in advance for any and all responses.
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: PAP 1/2 off everything through Tues

 


Good deal ! .

I'm hoping this was a Pick-A-Part yard list ? . regular junkyards sometimes think any Mercedes is valuable instead of just another old luxury car rich folks won't be caught dead driving.... P-A-P typically has the best pricing .

Have you looked closely at the rubber boots on the drive axles yet ? .

If they're ripped or even cracked , they'll need replacing ere long and there's plenty of rebuilt ones on wrecks and junkers others have given up on ~ 1/2 off a rebuilt drive axle would be very sweet indeed .
All I got to do to - day was _drive_ my beautiful , reliable , economical , comfy & _fast_ (oops) Mercedes Diesel Sports Coupe to the jobsite , then I hadda work on other folks junk all day with Tom and Tim supervising , didn't get to touch the old bus and it rained Saturday morning and covered it with crud from the tree so now it looks like a Mud Bogger.......

At least I know that to - morrow morning @ 0-Dark:30 it'll spring into life easily and zoom me to work at seriously post legal speeds with the news & views on the Becker Electronic Radio =8-) .

-Nate

Trish wrote:
>
> Truck is the only transportation for us..so it's a given. But for some
> reason Kevin didn't take any tools???? Nothing there that we HAD to have
> to get my MB back on the road. We did see a lot of good parts we could use
> down the road. We have to deal with the necessary items and put the others
> on a wish list.
>
> This one site he went to was very cool. He put in what he was looking for
> and it came back with a list of what yards had what and in what row! We
> found so many it got confusing. I took notes on the list he printed out
> and he took pics. He got pics of stuff he was needing information on.
>
>
>

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[diesel_mercedes] uploading

 

CAn we up load videos? I'm trying to do one under the size limit but it's not working. Max

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Those Pesky Details......

 

On Jan 16, 2012, at 6:29 AM, Nate wrote:
> I recently de coked an incredibly oil fouled engine using an old method learned from a Journeyman Mechanic working on a 1952 Oldslowmobile Rocket 88 that Granny had nearly ruined by never exceeding 25 MPH ~ I've tweaked the methodology a little bit but it still works a treat .

Well don't keep us hanging..... How?!?!?!?!?!..... 8-)

- Alan

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] an introduction & a question...

 

Hmmm.. My first take is that obviously, Olesia want to move to Seattle..

bk

--- On Sun, 1/15/12, Thomas Stanley <solstingr@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Thomas Stanley <solstingr@gmail.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] an introduction & a question...
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 11:31 PM

 

well...this has been a long time coming.

My name is Tom and I am the proud owner of a black 1981 300td (name of Olesia).
I have been on this list since I first got the car almost 2 years ago, and read and study every post, oh...also laugh!

It's really great to know where to turn to for "my fellows", regardless of age, gender or location who share my love for the older diesel merc's.

I like to tell folks that my car was driven here from Stuttgart by way of Beirut-on-a-bad-day. (she looks as though she's seen some war, and carries scars to prove it.)

Even though I live in Irvine (home of the Classic Center), I still haven't gone to check it out or hunt down the other Tom for questioning...

Anyways, HELLOOOO  o oo oo o oO   o oo. sorry to be such a gnome, troll, silent hermit, etc.

Now, my QUESTION:
It's concerning my vacuum system. I know I have some issues here...
Most of the time (when it's dry) I have to manually go and lock all my doors and check the hatch lid.
When it is wet (not just cold and wet), like now with light rain, everything works perfect: car shuts down immediately, all the doors lock and hatch AND fuel door lock without a problem. I'm guessing this is how the system is supposed to work (duh, right?)
Now I know I need to do some hunting to find what causes this leak, just wanted to bounce one of my "issues" off some more experienced minds.

I have asked  the local MB dealer, my mechanic (who specializes in diesel mercedes), and a friend who is an all-hats mechanic & I get 3 totally confusing answers that all involve lots of money and them thinking I am crazy for wanting to fix this money-pit.

any thoughts?

again: when wet (as in rain OR heavy-fog/overnight dew) the engine shuts off quick & all the locks close when I lock the driver's door (let's not mention the hard shifts for now [whoops!]. when dry, it's a walk-around to manually open and lock all doors.

I guess I should mention that when dry, if I turn off the ignition and exit and lock the driver door while the engine still runs, all locks will close.

never had any problem with the locks opening/unlocking. i.e. if I turn off the engine and wait for final shutoff (which seems to vary), all locks pop up.

sorry to sound like such a neophyte. I can't even begin to describe some of the other problems I am having. suffice it to say I have had much help and hope just reading the posts and learning what does/doesn't work & what to expect.

thanks in advance for any and all responses.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] an introduction & a question...

 

On 1/15/2012 11:31 PM, Thomas Stanley wrote:
> again: when wet (as in rain OR heavy-fog/overnight dew) the engine
> shuts off quick & all the locks close when I lock the driver's door
> (let's not mention the hard shifts for now [whoops!]. when dry, it's a
> walk-around to manually open and lock all doors.

I have been tracing the vacuum gremlin also. Lots of tutorials and
diagrams on the web. Do a search of the group archives also. I finally
figured out that when my locks are in "lock" position, I have no vacuum
(or at least not enough to stop the engine). When the locks are in
"unlock" position I have good vacuum. This tells me my problem is a
leak in the "locking" vacuum circuit. Have not pulled the door panel
yet but it feels good to have isolated the problem.

--
Stan George Portland <<

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Starter Wires on motor swap

 

OK oldie...

81 300D with 80 Turbo, so that makes it a W123 chassis with a W116 motor/trans.

:)

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Passenger fender well connection?  PS - put your car model in your signature. We old folks forget whether you have a w126 or w123 or whatever.
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's

From: Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:59 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Starter Wires on motor swap

 
OK the only thing that's still kicking Kevin's butt on this motor swap is the starter wires. 

My car/starter has 2 wires coming from it.  The turbo has 3 wires.  He's can't figure out where the 3rd goes on the turbo????  

His problem is that my wire isn't long enough to route the way the turbo one routes. 

He thinks the reason the other one is longer is it loops up away from the exhaust and mine might burn up being that close???????

We've looked at gobs of cars and not one had a starter wire to look at! 

--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com






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Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Starter Wires on motor swap

 

Passenger fender well connection?  PS - put your car model in your signature. We old folks forget whether you have a w126 or w123 or whatever.
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's

From: Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:59 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Starter Wires on motor swap

 
OK the only thing that's still kicking Kevin's butt on this motor swap is the starter wires. 

My car/starter has 2 wires coming from it.  The turbo has 3 wires.  He's can't figure out where the 3rd goes on the turbo????  

His problem is that my wire isn't long enough to route the way the turbo one routes. 

He thinks the reason the other one is longer is it loops up away from the exhaust and mine might burn up being that close???????

We've looked at gobs of cars and not one had a starter wire to look at! 

--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com



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[diesel_mercedes] Starter Wires on motor swap

 

OK the only thing that's still kicking Kevin's butt on this motor swap is the starter wires. 

My car/starter has 2 wires coming from it.  The turbo has 3 wires.  He's can't figure out where the 3rd goes on the turbo????  

His problem is that my wire isn't long enough to route the way the turbo one routes. 

He thinks the reason the other one is longer is it loops up away from the exhaust and mine might burn up being that close???????

We've looked at gobs of cars and not one had a starter wire to look at! 

--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: PAP 1/2 off everything through Tues

 

Truck is the only transportation for us..so it's a given.  But for some reason Kevin didn't take any tools????  Nothing there that we HAD to have to get my MB back on the road.  We did see a lot of good parts we could use down the road. We have to deal with the necessary items and put the others on a wish list.

This one site he went to was very cool. He put in what he was looking for and it came back with a list of what yards had what and in what row!  We found so many it got confusing.  I took notes on the list he printed out and he took pics.  He got pics of stuff he was needing information on. 


On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:

 


You'd best take the truck......

-Nate


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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Those Pesky Details......

 


Thank you Bill ;

I try to keep it light and show that the right attitude is critical to proper maintenance and repairs , I find old , cheap Mercedes to be cheap to operate as well as keeping me on my toes , thinking - wise .

I am pleased to know my efforts are appreciated , I also write tech articles not only for multiple Internet sites but for the Metropolitan Nash Club's monthly tech letter , there's a whole bunch of us there who collaborate (? SP ?) .

I was very lucky to have had the opportunity to learn from " The Greatest Generation " who's wisdom and insight I try to include in my ramblings .

Every time I'm working , or thinking about a diagnosis or repair , my mind flies back to 1962 or so when I was but a lad with a large mouth and open ears....

I recently de coked an incredibly oil fouled engine using an old method learned from a Journeyman Mechanic working on a 1952 Oldslowmobile Rocket 88 that Granny had nearly ruined by never exceeding 25 MPH ~ I've tweaked the methodology a little bit but it still works a treat .

-Nate
Bill wrote:
>
>
> Nate,
> I really like your tales of MB fixes and such. Right now my vacuum pump is working fine but someday, down the road, it could malfunction and I will pause, and slowly the memory neurons will reassemble and I will then be able to fix the problem.
> Keep the wisdom flowing.
> Cheers,
> Bill aka "kipsinc"
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Tom's W-126 has been having intermittent vacuum problems for a while now , the vacuum would bleed away whilst driving leaving him with poor brakes , iffy HVAC and no engine shut off .
> >
> > The design of the OM617's vacuum pump is robust & sturdy , it incorporates simple and reliable poppet typ valves , four of them .
> >
> > One of the two outlet valves is built into the top vacuum fitting on the pump and seems to be the basic weak point , it had failed so I'd changed it but when it failed it's spring & disc had disintegrated and I wondered about where the mangled up tiny bits had gone , as the pump began to work after replacing the dead exterior valve Tom wasn't overly worried but after a few weeks the vacuum began failing again more and more often so he'd gone to P-A-P and sourced a used pump off some junker , someone had already been inside it and mangled up the screws pretty good (I hate ugly fasteners as I view them as poor craft) so I took the cover off and removed the valves & cleaned them , they were all in good shape , just being partially clogged with oil sludge from the car's DPO never changing the oil ~ the later model vacuum pumps vent directly into the engine so poor maintenance causes long term pump issues .
> >
> > As the sun was going down , we decided not to attempt to take his pump off , rather I removed the connection pipe and outlet fitting / valve assembly and started the engine then watched the open port like a hawk whilst Tom revved up the engine a few times and *BINGO* a tiny bit of something came flying out the port and the audible ' thumping ' noise the pump makes , deepened a little bit indicating the pump was working so I stuck my finger in the open port (!WARNING ! rapidly rotating V-Belts , pulleys & fan here means you could get a finger or hand mangled or ripped off before saying Oh , SHI-) and was rewarded with a nice bit of suction .
> >
> > Success ! I'd found the missing bits of the old valve , they'd fallen into the primary outlet poppet valve and held it partway open .
> >
> >
> > I leaned over and shut the engine off then re - assembled the outlet valve & fitting , re connected then positioned the vacuum pipe & re started the engine and was almost instantly rewarded with 21" + of steady vacuum signal and the sounds of the various HVAC plenums snapping & slamming as they began to move and take up their working positions .
> >
> > Tom test drove the car and it shifted normally and the HVAC didn't pause nor randomly change from cool to hot , when the ignition key is removed the engine now halts nearly *instantly* rather than the usual shuddering to a stop from low vacuum & leaks .
> >
> > Just to make it a good job , I replaced the old & stiff rubber three way vacuum connectors under the hood , they're only $6 or so apiece , I also removed the lower dash panel and crawled up there with a Mechanic's Lamp & found the two short rubber hose bits connecting the brown plastic pipes to the ignition switch to be firm and good , no oil soaking so I left them alone & buttoned it back up again .
> >
> > Tom says he'll order up a pump rebuild kit soon and I'll rebuild him a nice spare pump out of the spare he bought and my spare pump & install it for 100 % certainty of proper operation .
> >
> > Believe it or don't ,this is the short version as the spare pump was in sorry shape and much cleaning was done to it , other fiddles too .
> >
> > -Nate
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Those Pesky Details......

 


Nate,
I really like your tales of MB fixes and such. Right now my vacuum pump is working fine but someday, down the road, it could malfunction and I will pause, and slowly the memory neurons will reassemble and I will then be able to fix the problem.
Keep the wisdom flowing.
Cheers,
Bill aka "kipsinc"

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> Tom's W-126 has been having intermittent vacuum problems for a while now , the vacuum would bleed away whilst driving leaving him with poor brakes , iffy HVAC and no engine shut off .
>
> The design of the OM617's vacuum pump is robust & sturdy , it incorporates simple and reliable poppet typ valves , four of them .
>
> One of the two outlet valves is built into the top vacuum fitting on the pump and seems to be the basic weak point , it had failed so I'd changed it but when it failed it's spring & disc had disintegrated and I wondered about where the mangled up tiny bits had gone , as the pump began to work after replacing the dead exterior valve Tom wasn't overly worried but after a few weeks the vacuum began failing again more and more often so he'd gone to P-A-P and sourced a used pump off some junker , someone had already been inside it and mangled up the screws pretty good (I hate ugly fasteners as I view them as poor craft) so I took the cover off and removed the valves & cleaned them , they were all in good shape , just being partially clogged with oil sludge from the car's DPO never changing the oil ~ the later model vacuum pumps vent directly into the engine so poor maintenance causes long term pump issues .
>
> As the sun was going down , we decided not to attempt to take his pump off , rather I removed the connection pipe and outlet fitting / valve assembly and started the engine then watched the open port like a hawk whilst Tom revved up the engine a few times and *BINGO* a tiny bit of something came flying out the port and the audible ' thumping ' noise the pump makes , deepened a little bit indicating the pump was working so I stuck my finger in the open port (!WARNING ! rapidly rotating V-Belts , pulleys & fan here means you could get a finger or hand mangled or ripped off before saying Oh , SHI-) and was rewarded with a nice bit of suction .
>
> Success ! I'd found the missing bits of the old valve , they'd fallen into the primary outlet poppet valve and held it partway open .
>
>
> I leaned over and shut the engine off then re - assembled the outlet valve & fitting , re connected then positioned the vacuum pipe & re started the engine and was almost instantly rewarded with 21" + of steady vacuum signal and the sounds of the various HVAC plenums snapping & slamming as they began to move and take up their working positions .
>
> Tom test drove the car and it shifted normally and the HVAC didn't pause nor randomly change from cool to hot , when the ignition key is removed the engine now halts nearly *instantly* rather than the usual shuddering to a stop from low vacuum & leaks .
>
> Just to make it a good job , I replaced the old & stiff rubber three way vacuum connectors under the hood , they're only $6 or so apiece , I also removed the lower dash panel and crawled up there with a Mechanic's Lamp & found the two short rubber hose bits connecting the brown plastic pipes to the ignition switch to be firm and good , no oil soaking so I left them alone & buttoned it back up again .
>
> Tom says he'll order up a pump rebuild kit soon and I'll rebuild him a nice spare pump out of the spare he bought and my spare pump & install it for 100 % certainty of proper operation .
>
> Believe it or don't ,this is the short version as the spare pump was in sorry shape and much cleaning was done to it , other fiddles too .
>
> -Nate
>

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