[diesel_mercedes] Re : '81 240D wildly fluctuating fuel gauge

 


$10 for some wire and two connectors ?! .

Wow , PT Barnum really was right .

-Nate
Brian wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback, guys. It does sound electrical now that you've
> enlightened me. I found this site that sells a $8 supplemental ground:
> http://mbelectronicupgrades.com/Supplemental_Ground.html Has anyone used
> this? In any case, it looks like I'm going to use my new nifty instrument
> cluster puller tools from Mercedessource in the near future.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: n61cm <jim@...>
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, January 29, 2012 6:56:41 AM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: '81 240D wildly fluctuating fuel gauge
>
>
> Since it started with the new cluster install, perhaps the new cluster is
> defective. In that case, I'd send it back, wouldn't try to fix it myself. Does
> the temp gauge fart at the same time as the fuel gauge or at different times? I
> don't know if they share a common ground but the timing of the problems might
> tell you something. You can unplug the connection on the fuel sensor and jumper
> it so it will send full fuel signal to the gauge. Then if the gauge stops
> jumping, you will know its inside the fuel sender, a common issue on 123s. I
> guess you could do a similar test with temp gauge wiring as well, though I don't
> know which way the voltage (or ground) works on that system. It would be odd,
> though, to have both temp and fuel gauge sensor circuits crap out simultaneously
> and coincident with the swap-out of the cluster.
>
>
> Jim
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@ wrote:
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > The oil pressure gauge is mechanical, I believe, just a tube from the
> > engine to the dash binnacle. So no electrical issues.
> >
> > The symptoms you describe are CLASSIC electrical connection issues.
> > Since they appear to affect more than one gauge, the problem is likely to be
> > the common ground connection for the binnacle, rather than the individual
> > feeds to the gauges. (Although, a fault affecting all the power to the
> > gauges MIGHT also explain the symptoms.)
> >
> > Check the binnacle ground connection. Check not only the wire
> > connection, but the base of the pin to which ground connects. The binnacle
> >has a
> >
> > printed circuit on the back, and the pin connects to this. Vibration or
> > pulling wrong when removing the binnacle might disrupt the pin-printed
> > circuit connection. Such a problem might appear only as a tiny crack in the
> > circuit trace, and a crack that can be intermittent, thus causing your
> >problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is not uncommon in any circuit that is subject to physical
> > activity. Examining the circuit traces and connections in VERY GOOD light is
>
> > important.
> >
> > IF you find a circuit discontinuity, it should be easy to handle with
> > a dab of solder. If you don't feel up to that task yourself, you are more
> > likely to get quality work at an electronics service shop than at a car
> > repair shop.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/28/2012 5:20:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > brianbarn@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Since recently replacing the instrument cluster in my '81 240D so that I
> > would have the amazing luxury of a working odometer, I have a bizarre fuel
> > gauge. It flits around quite a bit, and sometimes flies back and forth from
> > full to empty and back. Sometimes the movement is less pronounced, say
> > from full to 3/4. This movement is not constant - sometimes the gauge is
> > just fine. The temp gauge also fluctuates sometimes, but not nearly as much.
>
> > The oil pressure gauge is rock steady all the time.
> >
> >
> > Is this a common situation, and is there a fix? I can estimate fuel usage
> > as long as the odometer is working, but it would be nice to have a steady
> > fuel gauge.
> >
> >
> > By the way, I got 28.5 mpg on the tank I filled today. Not bad for
> > around-town driving.
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance for the feedback.
> >
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Posting on Craiggslist

 

and re rust, be aware that snow birds from NY and adjacent states often leave their rusty cars in Florida when getting new cars.
 
brian from laverne, ca Mary (195K)  Martha (280K) 1983 w123 300d's

From: Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Posting on Craiggslist

 

It certainly _looks_ nice but , Florida cars tend to have rust issues and I can see the headlights will need immediate polishing or new lenses to be safe to drive at night .

DO NOT bid on nor buy , ANY car off Flea-Bay unless you have personally looked at it before hand ! .

Get the VIN & pay CARFAX for a title check .

-Nate
Than wrote:
>
> Here on the list:
>
> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/2819648438.html
>
> Is it a good buy?
>
> Thanks
> thang
>



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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Looking to buy used copy of Kent's book

 


So far ;

All the folks I've met who bought Kent's books , said they were O.K. but not worth anywhere near the high dollars he charges for them .

I'd love to be more specific but so far I've not been able to find them used . several folks have tossed them out in disgust .

A factory shop manual for most non German cars , in large 8 X 11 format , that covers the ENTIRE VEHICLE in detail , is $30 list price so I'm having difficulty paying $35 for a tiny little book with only 25 pages in it no matter who wrote it .

Of course , once I get one and try it's suggestions , I may begin singing it's praises .

-Nate
Tom Said :
>
> Well, Kent's got a business going there. He may not be Willard M. Romney,
> but he seems to have been a success, and to have provided a lot of people
> with a lot of useful help in getting their cars sorted out.
>
> I'm not lining up to buy any such book. But I certainly wouldn't
> question anyone else's approach to trying to learn as much as they can about
> these great cars.
>
> The Classic Center sells the shop manual CDs and the needed parts.
> Yeah, that IS convenient. Keep up the good work, Kent.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/28/2012 10:01:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> beeser750@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Do you really need such a book? Anything that requires onetime/fewtime
> use item(s) (like vacuum and hydraulic guages) has limited value (to me).
> It's for the perfectionist, or the curious (in my opinion)....
>
>
> (I see he sells the needed guages, too. How, um.., convenient....)
>
>
> Mark in Lakewood, CO
>
> ____________________________________
> From: "Trish Dougherty" <purrfectharmonyfarm@...>
> To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:49:28 PM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Looking to buy used copy of Kent's book
>
>
> Does anyone have an (extra) copy of this book they want to sell?
>
>
> _http://www.mercedessource.com/node/7804_
> (http://www.mercedessource.com/node/7804)
>
> --
> Trish Dougherty
> PurrFect Harmony Farm
> Ennis, TX
> http:/_purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com_
> (http://purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com/)
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Posting on Craiggslist

 


It certainly _looks_ nice but , Florida cars tend to have rust issues and I can see the headlights will need immediate polishing or new lenses to be safe to drive at night .

DO NOT bid on nor buy , ANY car off Flea-Bay unless you have personally looked at it before hand ! .

Get the VIN & pay CARFAX for a title check .

-Nate
Than wrote:
>
> Here on the list:
>
> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/2819648438.html
>
> Is it a good buy?
>
> Thanks
> thang
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Beggar Warning

 


Yep ;

In the last week I have given bums a dollar a few times , it's rough to be O.K. and see others down on their luck .

BT , DT , never again I hope .

I don't often give to beggars but the ones who politely ask if they can wash my windshield , I'll always give them something .

Follow your consience .

-Nate
Trish wrote:
>
> I used to work in Hollywood. I'd pass the same beggar/guy every day on the
> same corner on my way home from work. I had/wanted to go shopping in
> Hollywood one Saturday. I saw the same beggar coming out of an upscale
> store with a shopping bag, wearing a nicer leather jacket than I had! Ya
> know at least when I was in San Francisco the beggar down on the pier was
> honest...his sign clearly stated that he was going to spend your money on
> wine and a hooker.
>
> Several yrs ago in Arlington, TX I was approached by someone at a gas
> station begging for just a dollar because they were out of gas. I went
> ahead and gave him a buck. He even asked how to repay me. I told him he
> had to pass it on to the next person that was in need. I don't really know
> why I was compelled to give him a dollar, as I was out of work at the time
> and I wouldn't do it again, and I never did before...I'm OK with whatever
> he did with it...I believe in Karma.
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Chip <czulli@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > It's a sign of the times that we are living through, but in cites beggars
> > are popping up everywhere. I thought I would relate to you their latest
> > technique to pry you loose from your hard earned money in hope that you
> > will be better prepared than I was to their willy ways.
> >
> > So this guy comes up to me as I am making my way into a store. He is
> > holding an empty gas can, ask me for a dollar, says he is out of gas. I
> > hesitated, but then gave him a dollar. I did not feel good about my
> > donation because something told me that I had just played into a scam.
> >
> > Not quiet into the store I needed to walk past this person with no legs
> > sitting quietly in his wheel chair just at the entrance. He made no attempt
> > to solicit anything, yet I found myself giving him a 20 and feeling
> > entirely good about my donation.
> >
> > After a little while in the store I made my way back to my car, and just
> > on the other side of the parking lot I saw the guy with the gas can,
> > running up to some other unprepared person with the same story he had used
> > to fleece me. I was not happy to watch this repeat performance.
> >
> > So, don't say you have not been warned about these donations that you can
> > be compelled to make that leave you feeling empty and taken.
> >
> > Chip
> > Houston
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Trish Dougherty
> PurrFect Harmony Farm
> Ennis, TX
> http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Which bushing to choose for '80 300SD?

 


O.K. , the third place should be ignored as they LIED when they said ' discount ' .

The first two are different bushings for different parts of the linkages , I'd buy one of each as nice snug linkages make for better shifting.....

-Nate
Trish wrote:
>
> Oh boy....Kevin says he needs the bushing for the transmission...it's
> missing. Mark sent me two links to pages & I looked on Autohausaz too.
> I'm seeing 3 completely different parts for the same exact car...
>
> Anyone know which one to choose? I really, really, want to get my car back
> on the road...'80 300SD motor/trans.
>
>
> http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1980-Mercedes--Benz-300d-Transmission&yearid=1980%40%401980&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6187%3AED|10000132%3AMBC|1503%40%40300D&catid=241185%40%40Transmission&subcatid=241263@@Shift+Lever+Bushing&mode=PD<http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1980-Mercedes--Benz-300d-Transmission&yearid=1980%40%401980&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6187%3AED%7C10000132%3AMBC%7C1503%40%40300D&catid=241185%40%40Transmission&subcatid=241263@@Shift+Lever+Bushing&mode=PD>
>
> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=wdqufrij3jtyi5mws3q42o55&makeid=800016@Mercedes&modelid=1193992@300SD&year=1980&cid=transmission@transmission&gid=8488@Transmission%20Gasket/Bushing/O-Ring
>
>
> http://www.mbpartswarehouse.com/parts/?N=11142+4294962569+1668+11921+4294957052
>
>
>
> --
> Trish Dougherty
> PurrFect Harmony Farm
> Ennis, TX
> http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Craigslist Dallas 300D

 


Sweet but ;

No turbo so FORGET about 30 MPG's ~ he's lying .

He also doesn't mention the EVIL Klima I servo or the fact that neither heater nor AC is working on this admittedly beautiful car , at that's a _MINIMUM_ $1,500 repair (if you're lucky) I'd say this is more like a $2,200 car at best .

Not many this pretty left but no HVAC means you'll suffer mightily driving it no matter the ambient temperature .

-Nate
Chuck wrote:
>
> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/2810701948.html
>
> my wife needs no doesn't need but wants a car. I may go look at this one.
>
> Chuck
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Beggar Warning

 

Because it is one of my email signatures Max.  It is automatically attached.

Sean

There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter. 
Ernest Hemingway 


On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:15 PM, max_stemple wrote:

 

Why do you keep re-posting this:
"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those who would do us harm"
-George Orwell

Max

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: '81 240D wildly fluctuating fuel gauge

 

Brian, let me know what you think of that supplemental ground...saw that a bit ago and am intrigued...

Caitlin
Santa Fe
83 300SD

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Brian Barnhart <brianbarn@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback, guys. It does sound electrical now that you've
> enlightened me. I found this site that sells a $8 supplemental ground:
> http://mbelectronicupgrades.com/Supplemental_Ground.html Has anyone used
> this? In any case, it looks like I'm going to use my new nifty instrument
> cluster puller tools from Mercedessource in the near future.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: n61cm <jim@...>
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, January 29, 2012 6:56:41 AM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: '81 240D wildly fluctuating fuel gauge
>
>
> Since it started with the new cluster install, perhaps the new cluster is
> defective. In that case, I'd send it back, wouldn't try to fix it myself. Does
> the temp gauge fart at the same time as the fuel gauge or at different times? I
> don't know if they share a common ground but the timing of the problems might
> tell you something. You can unplug the connection on the fuel sensor and jumper
> it so it will send full fuel signal to the gauge. Then if the gauge stops
> jumping, you will know its inside the fuel sender, a common issue on 123s. I
> guess you could do a similar test with temp gauge wiring as well, though I don't
> know which way the voltage (or ground) works on that system. It would be odd,
> though, to have both temp and fuel gauge sensor circuits crap out simultaneously
> and coincident with the swap-out of the cluster.
>
>
> Jim
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@ wrote:
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > The oil pressure gauge is mechanical, I believe, just a tube from the
> > engine to the dash binnacle. So no electrical issues.
> >
> > The symptoms you describe are CLASSIC electrical connection issues.
> > Since they appear to affect more than one gauge, the problem is likely to be
> > the common ground connection for the binnacle, rather than the individual
> > feeds to the gauges. (Although, a fault affecting all the power to the
> > gauges MIGHT also explain the symptoms.)
> >
> > Check the binnacle ground connection. Check not only the wire
> > connection, but the base of the pin to which ground connects. The binnacle
> >has a
> >
> > printed circuit on the back, and the pin connects to this. Vibration or
> > pulling wrong when removing the binnacle might disrupt the pin-printed
> > circuit connection. Such a problem might appear only as a tiny crack in the
> > circuit trace, and a crack that can be intermittent, thus causing your
> >problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is not uncommon in any circuit that is subject to physical
> > activity. Examining the circuit traces and connections in VERY GOOD light is
>
> > important.
> >
> > IF you find a circuit discontinuity, it should be easy to handle with
> > a dab of solder. If you don't feel up to that task yourself, you are more
> > likely to get quality work at an electronics service shop than at a car
> > repair shop.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/28/2012 5:20:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > brianbarn@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Since recently replacing the instrument cluster in my '81 240D so that I
> > would have the amazing luxury of a working odometer, I have a bizarre fuel
> > gauge. It flits around quite a bit, and sometimes flies back and forth from
> > full to empty and back. Sometimes the movement is less pronounced, say
> > from full to 3/4. This movement is not constant - sometimes the gauge is
> > just fine. The temp gauge also fluctuates sometimes, but not nearly as much.
>
> > The oil pressure gauge is rock steady all the time.
> >
> >
> > Is this a common situation, and is there a fix? I can estimate fuel usage
> > as long as the odometer is working, but it would be nice to have a steady
> > fuel gauge.
> >
> >
> > By the way, I got 28.5 mpg on the tank I filled today. Not bad for
> > around-town driving.
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance for the feedback.
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Beggar Warning

 

Why do you keep re-posting this:
"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those who would do us harm"
-George Orwell

Max

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: '81 240D wildly fluctuating fuel gauge

 

Thanks for the feedback, guys.  It does sound electrical now that you've enlightened me.  I found this site that sells a $8 supplemental ground:  http://mbelectronicupgrades.com/Supplemental_Ground.html   Has anyone used this?  In any case, it looks like I'm going to use my new nifty instrument cluster puller tools from Mercedessource in the near future.

Thanks again.



From: n61cm <jim@tazwade.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 29, 2012 6:56:41 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: '81 240D wildly fluctuating fuel gauge

 

Since it started with the new cluster install, perhaps the new cluster is defective. In that case, I'd send it back, wouldn't try to fix it myself. Does the temp gauge fart at the same time as the fuel gauge or at different times? I don't know if they share a common ground but the timing of the problems might tell you something. You can unplug the connection on the fuel sensor and jumper it so it will send full fuel signal to the gauge. Then if the gauge stops jumping, you will know its inside the fuel sender, a common issue on 123s. I guess you could do a similar test with temp gauge wiring as well, though I don't know which way the voltage (or ground) works on that system. It would be odd, though, to have both temp and fuel gauge sensor circuits crap out simultaneously and coincident with the swap-out of the cluster.

Jim

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> The oil pressure gauge is mechanical, I believe, just a tube from the
> engine to the dash binnacle. So no electrical issues.
>
> The symptoms you describe are CLASSIC electrical connection issues.
> Since they appear to affect more than one gauge, the problem is likely to be
> the common ground connection for the binnacle, rather than the individual
> feeds to the gauges. (Although, a fault affecting all the power to the
> gauges MIGHT also explain the symptoms.)
>
> Check the binnacle ground connection. Check not only the wire
> connection, but the base of the pin to which ground connects. The binnacle has a
> printed circuit on the back, and the pin connects to this. Vibration or
> pulling wrong when removing the binnacle might disrupt the pin-printed
> circuit connection. Such a problem might appear only as a tiny crack in the
> circuit trace, and a crack that can be intermittent, thus causing your problem.
>
>
> This is not uncommon in any circuit that is subject to physical
> activity. Examining the circuit traces and connections in VERY GOOD light is
> important.
>
> IF you find a circuit discontinuity, it should be easy to handle with
> a dab of solder. If you don't feel up to that task yourself, you are more
> likely to get quality work at an electronics service shop than at a car
> repair shop.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/28/2012 5:20:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> brianbarn@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> Since recently replacing the instrument cluster in my '81 240D so that I
> would have the amazing luxury of a working odometer, I have a bizarre fuel
> gauge. It flits around quite a bit, and sometimes flies back and forth from
> full to empty and back. Sometimes the movement is less pronounced, say
> from full to 3/4. This movement is not constant - sometimes the gauge is
> just fine. The temp gauge also fluctuates sometimes, but not nearly as much.
> The oil pressure gauge is rock steady all the time.
>
>
> Is this a common situation, and is there a fix? I can estimate fuel usage
> as long as the odometer is working, but it would be nice to have a steady
> fuel gauge.
>
>
> By the way, I got 28.5 mpg on the tank I filled today. Not bad for
> around-town driving.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for the feedback.
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] '81 240D wildly fluctuating fuel gauge

 

Yes, StarTron works great. I didn't even know I had a reserve warning
light, until the tank got cleaned up...and yes there was that clogged
filter thing in the mountains.

Rob
'85 300D

On 1/29/12 2:22 AM, diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Re: '81 240D wildly fluctuating fuel gauge
> Posted by: "briankk"briankk@att.net
> Date: Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:36 pm ((PST))
>
> Had that problem with my 240, lots'o algae killer fixed the gauge right up. Moss growing on the wire or something...
>
> bk
>
> --- On Sat, 1/28/12, Brian Barnhart<brianbarn@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Brian Barnhart<brianbarn@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] '81 240D wildly fluctuating fuel gauge
> To:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 5:20 PM
>
> Since recently replacing the instrument cluster in my '81 240D so that I would have the amazing luxury of a working odometer, I have a bizarre fuel gauge. It flits around quite a bit, and sometimes flies back and forth from full to empty and back. Sometimes the movement is less pronounced, say from full to 3/4. This movement is not constant - sometimes the gauge is just fine. The temp gauge also fluctuates sometimes, but not nearly as much. The oil pressure gauge is rock steady all the time.
> Is this a common situation, and is there a fix? I can estimate fuel usage as long as the odometer is working, but it would be nice to have a steady fuel gauge.
> By the way, I got 28.5 mpg on the tank I filled today.
> Not bad for around-town driving.
> Thanks in advance for the feedback.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Beggar Warning

 

Oh, I would agree about the scammers at the gas station and highway
ramps, especially now, with everyone having a cell phone to call for
help. My local gas station is near a highway ramp and gets those
scammers coming by on a regular basis. The guy I helped wasn't directly
asking for help, just pushing his motorcycle down the side of the
freeway. I just stopped on the side of the road and helped. It was
obvious he needed gas, so we went and got some.

Rob
==
On 1/29/12 2:22 AM, diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Re: Beggar Warning
> Posted by: "Sean Collins"eirejam69@yahoo.com eirejam69
> Date: Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:06 am ((PST))
>
> Rob,
> Like you, I've stopped to push and transport many other drivers(karma). I have also given money to people who have asked. It has been my experience however, that fully grown men who ask for money at highway ramps or gas stations, are scamming.
> Sean in NY
>
> "We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those who would do us harm"
> -George Orwell
>
> On Jan 28, 2012, at 23:32, "aleph93"<aleph93@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Accessory drive pulley

 

I have an 1983 240D that has sheared the 5 bolts that attach it to the shimmy dampener twice in 3 years. Has anyone else encountered this? any suggestions?

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