Re: [diesel_mercedes] Swapping for a turbo...who's done this?

 

Patricia,

I have not done this and know little about it, but I did notice that the turbo has a overflow bottle on the passenger side fender.  The radiator may also be different.

Bobby

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:39 PM, patricia_dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com> wrote:
 

OK got the bad motor out. I picked up a turbo with it's trans attached. Now we need to put it all back together.

Soooo who's done this swap on a 300D?




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[diesel_mercedes] W-114 240D M-B Pickup Truck FS $2,500

 


It's on craigslist in Echo Park , Ca. , runs & drives , is registered as a pickup so no DMV worries....

Looks O.K. .

-Nate

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Cold Startin'...additive question

 


Yep ;

Add the anti-gelling stuff and don't worry .

I'd try the two cycle thing as it really *should* light right off once you pay attention * discover it's " Sweet Spot " .

Once you allow it to cold stall and flood so it won't re start , you'll never do that again , trust me here .

You're doing fine and will soon be teaching other newbies how to get maximum motoring enjoyment out of minimum expense....

a 20 watt light bulb under the hood overnight helps a lot too , or add an inline coolant heater to the lower radiator hose , this ensures quick starts well below freezing and nearly instant hot air from the HVAC too .

-Nate
Caitlin wrote:
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>
>
>
>
>
> Well, it wasn't midnight...but I went to one of the local shops for this. Betty started fine...first shot, with 3 glow plug (full) cycles (aka including clunk).
>
> On the bottle for Diesel 911, it says "for emergency" and "does not prevent gelling" yaddy yaddy...basically gave me the impression, once you've got the problem "use THIS" and on the bottle it said to PREVENT gelling to use the Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement + Cetane Boost.
>
> So I bought the supplement instead of the 911 because I didn't YET have a gelling issue...and want to check with you guys before I use it...in case I need to swap, because you all know a LOT more than I do, and I wouldn't be surprised if you know more than what the bottle says outright ;)
>
> Here's what is in my tank right now:
> about 4-5 gallons of roughly B50 PLUS the rest of the tank filled with petrol diesel
> (so...somewhere between B10-B20...yes?)
> PLUS around 8oz of Diesel Kleen that I found in my trunk
>
> Temps are mid-20s the last couple of days...about 10deg warmer during the day...it's *usually* over 40 during the day most of the winter and much colder at night.
>
> I am only planning on B10-B20 right now...the temporary B50 was a fluke because my friend wanted to put my few gallons of B100 right in my tank rather than my can.
>
> So is the supplement better for my situation than 911? I want to get it right!
>
>
>
>
> Caitlin
> Santa Fe
>
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Cold Startin'...glow plug relay "clunk"

 


No ;

It's a fairly loud high frequency " _CLICK_ !" .

I'd time it and _NEVER_ wait for it to click before cranking because the *instant* you hear the CLICK , the plugs begin to cool off and cold Wx. starting requires them to be glowing white hot .

Once you know how long the relay runs , cycle them once to the click then rapidly turn the key off and back on again , glow until about 10 seconds before you *know* the click will come , crank it with pedal 1/2 way down and it should roar into life almost instantly , saving wear & tear on the battery , starter motor , relays and key switches etc. , etc.

-Nate
Caitlin wrote:
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> Even with my 2 firewalls...I can *definitely* hear it, but everything has to be really quiet. No ice scraping, no chatter...just me n betty. If I didn't know to listen for it, not sure I'd detect it. I *do* think my relay is fairly new (no proof on that though), maybe it's just noisy?
>
> Caitlin, Santa Fe
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@> wrote:
> >
> > Get the wax out of your ears.
> >  
> > brian from la verne, ca
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: max_stemple <jasperezra@>
> > To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:48 AM
> > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Cold Startin'
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > I've never heard it , in either of my 240's, was wondering what they were talkin about. Max
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > Remember that Caitlin has a 126, instead of your 123s. She's dealing
> > > with dual firewalls, each of which is better sealed than your 123 firewall.
> > > In my 126 (81 300SD) I've never heard the glow plug relay kick off. And
> > > my ears aren't all that bad.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Anyone have a "list" of the "best & worst MB D"?

 

Patricia,

Please consider Nate's advice.

For longevity and easy adaptation to use SVO - the 79? to 84? iron cylinder head 240, 300, and turbo 300.  Chose between the three by how much power you require.  240 bodies are easier to maintain because they have more manual systems and fewer automatic systems, including transmissions.  The 240s and 300s are approximately the same weight, except for the added gadgets and bigger motor. For beauty, chose the 300CD coupes(non-turbo or turbo).  For more practical uses, chose the station wagon.  For lower prices, chose the 4 door sedans.

For power and luxury,  85? to 87? 300 and 350 sedans.  Good news - they actually get better mileage.  Big Caution - the 350s have a mechanical problem - good news - if they have been fixed per the Mercedes procedure, they are OK.

There are several versions of model numbers, so I have left them out.  For instance, some wagons are 300TD - the T means Touring, not Turbo.  When you find a "prospect", post on this group to verify that it is what you want.

(More knowledgeable members - please correct the dates)

Bobby

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:37 PM, patricia_dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@wifi45.com> wrote:
 

I'm on a MB forum that last time I logged on I found a list of the best and worst diesel and gas MB to buy. Sure enough I can't find it now. I knew I should have printed it.

Does anyone have any input???

Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http://purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com




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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Anyone have a "list" of the "best & worst MB D"?

 


Best :

A W-123 from an Enthusiast who's in a pinch and needs to let go their personal favorite old M-B .

Worst : that cheap one you spotted down the road , it'll be the _WORST_ fracking money pit you ever touched .

Of course , if you stick with it , in time you'll have a cherry old Mercedes you love and know from end to end , one you can reply upon and drive to the ends of the Earth....

Cheaper than buying any new car but time consuming and frustrating occasionally .

I don't regret one penny invested into my '84 300CD Diesel Sports Coupe but I know I'll never see a dime back out of it if I live to be 150 years old .

-Nate
Patricia wrote:
>
> I'm on a MB forum that last time I logged on I found a list of the best and worst diesel and gas MB to buy. Sure enough I can't find it now. I knew I should have printed it.
>
> Does anyone have any input???
>
> Trish Dougherty
> PurrFect Harmony Farm
> Ennis, TX
> http://purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : door seals sticking

 


Talcum Powder or Silicone Grease does the trick .

-Nate
Max wrote:
>
> To Anyone who lives where it gets really cold. Does anyone have problems with the door rubber sticking to the body when you open the door? What do you do? Max
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Fuel Costs

 


I was pleased to find $4.15 ~ $4.17 Diesel in the last few weeks , to -day in Brea, Ca. I spotted a Chevron station with $3.99 Diesel Fuel .

Sadly , I was driving my '59 Metropolitan Nash FHC .

-Nate
Max Asked :

Price of diesel and gas dropped. Diesel was .70 over regular($4.59) last time I
went to town, caaaaaan't remember when that was, but on Friday it was $4.19 and
gas was $3.69. What happened? Someone find a new oil well? Both my diesels are
parked and driving a Subaru which starts very well in cold.. Max

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : vacuum reservoir

 


If you look under the hood where the vacuum tubes go into the firewall , you'll see one is yellow in color .

Gently disconnect it and cap off the vacuum side , if the engine once again stops quickly , the Central Locking is at fault , plan to replace all the vacuum chambers & rubber 'T's to return it to AS-NEW again .

A Mity-Vac tool is cheap and easy to use to test & diagnose the vacuum system .

Or , simply gently grasp & tug the various rubber hoses here & there _ONE_AT_A_TIME_ , replacing any that come apart with out a fight as they're dead of old age .

Your car is just testing the waters to see how much you love it .

-Nate
Stan wrote:
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>
>
> Thanks Nate. Vacuum has been perfect for the 13 years I've had the car
> (1983 240D) but a friend from Seattle asked if I ever had trouble with
> it. That was two weeks ago and now the window locks are not holding
> vacuum and the shut off is starting to fail. These cars hear what is
> being said about them.
>
> --
> Stan George Portland <<
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : center console window switch Removal

 


Yes but , the average DIY'er will ruin the veneer wood so I don't want to give that info out .

Different for the experienced Mechanic and the average Joe ys know .

-Nate
Alan wrote:
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> >
> Actually with a small flat screwdriver you can usually snap the switches
> out of the panel without removing it.
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Cold Startin'...and valve adjustin'

 

Caitlin: 
 
    I hope that you have the Haynes Book of Lies (HBOL) for the MBZ 123 diesels.  This is less than $30 and has reasonable engine pictures for the valve adjust procedure.  Your 126 follows the same procedure as a 123 300D turbo. 
 
    One thing the book won't tell you is that the engine layout HELPs.  Remember that it is a 5 cylinder engine, so there are 5 inlet and 5 exhaust valves.  If you look at the top of the engine, with the valve cover off, you will see 1 lonely valve at the front, then 2 valve together, then another 2 together and another 2 together and another 2 together, then a lone valve at the rear. 
 
    This is useful, because MBZ put adjacent cylinder inlet valves together and adjacent exhaust valves together.  So when you are adjusting, you can look at the valve, sort out which is inlet and which is exhaust, and know what feeler gauge and adjustment you are going to use for two valves at a time.  Speeds the process. 
 
    I don't remember (and don't have a book in front of me) whether the lone valve at the front is inlet or exhaust.  But it sets the pattern,  If it is inlet then the first "pair" are exhaust, followed by an inlet pair, etc.  The rear lone valve will be the opposite of the front lone valve. 
 
    You want to look at the throttle linkage, and move it around.  You will figure out how to disconnect the fewest pieces to free the valve cover.  Labeling and pictures can't hurt.  Mostly, you are just disconnecting from the parts that go to the throttle link that comes through the firewall, one link that heads south on the left side of the engine, and one that goes to the cruise control (of course, I'm forgetting something, maybe the cable link on the back of the box on top of the valve cover). 
 
    DO NOT adjust ANY of the linkage length adjustments.  If you are disconnecting and reconnecting things right, there will be NO need for any adjustments.  Those adjustments are just going to cause you trouble at this point.  No matter how serious the apparent need, rethink it. It probably means that you are trying to put something back differently from how it started. 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/4/2011 6:07:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tinymachine@gmail.com writes:
 

Tom, correct...I'm still tool hunting (and by hunting, I actually do mean "waiting until I have about $30 for it") for the *basic* tools. I got all the specialty stuff early on as part of a package (with fuel and oil filters, etc) but need the basic tools to turn the engine (either via crankshaft or the power steering way)

Also, we're down to sharing this one car, so I can't take it out of circ for too long and I have a feeling the first time I'll do this it will take me all day due to unfamiliarity. I got excited because we actually had 2 cars...for about a week...bought a (lemon) Saab and even though we both knew better, did NOT have it checked before handing over the money.

So while I've been waiting on being able to tackle this, I was boning up on my engine anatomy and how the engine works at How Stuff Works. I've got instructions in a booklet, but the pics are crummy, and I'm a visual learner. NOW I know what a camshaft lobe is ;) and honestly the procedure looks pretty simple IF you know what parts are called. Which I am still learning.

I even have a new seal (mine is leaking) and the crush washers waiting!

My mechanic did offer to show me how once things slowed down in his shop...maybe it's time to gently check in and see if this is a real possibility...

I don't know how long to plan for dis/re-assembling my throttle linkages...I know you don't have to undo everything to get the valve cover off, but I can't figure out which I DO need, so I figure I'll label, photo, then do them all...and lube before put-together.

Anyway...a lot of blah blah...but yeah...I'm antsy to get it done and feeling a little held back.

Caitlin
Santa Fe

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:

> Caitlin,
>
> Last time we communicated, you were still holding off on getting the
> valve adjustment done, or getting the tools to do it yourself. You will
> find that the engine starts more easily and runs better when it has properly
> adjusted valves.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/3/2011 4:58:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> bstromsoe@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> As a point of refinement - (for me anyway) - when I start my cars, I
> listen for the "clunk" when the glow plug relay has done its job and I start my
> engine without depressing the pedal at all because I have sufficiently hot
> glow plug temps. However, when I am brain dead and forget to listen for the
> clunk thereby shortcutting the cycle, then I must depress the pedal 1/2 to
> 2/3 of the way because I committed either a venal or mortal sin (I'm not
> Catholic so I don't know the vernacular). My sin is that by not listening for
> the clunk, I did not allow my glow plugs to heat the chambers up to an
> appropriate temperature to fire the fuel. Then I am reduced to cranking the
> engine in order to generate high enough cylinder temps to ignite the fuel via
> compression.
>
>
> brian from la verne, ca
>
>
>
> ____________________________________
> From: CaitlinDean <tinymachine@...>
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:57 PM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Cold Startin'
>
>
>
>
> I'm just following what it tells me in my manual (83 300SD)...re-iterated
> and made clear by the fine folks on this group :)
>
> I originally thought it was the pump the throttle...now it's clear that
> they (manual) says to just push it down and hold...etc etc.
>
> When it's warmer, I don't do that at all and she starts up fine. I'm
> hoping with the more work I get done on her, she'll cold start better n better...
>
> Thought about asking Santa for a garage...but that seemed a bit big ;)
>
> Caitlin
> Santa Fe
>
> --- In _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) , Nate Rector <tccservice111@> wrote:
> >
> > I have temps to zero,and I start normal no throttle as it floods the
> engine.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: BStromsoe <bstromsoe@>
> > To: "_diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) " <_diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) >
> > Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 6:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Cold Startin'
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Well, truckers used to put a charcoal fire under their engines in cold
> weather. Personally, if I lived in 0-25F weather and had a garage, I would
> either have my block heater going, or a 100 watt work light sitting under my
> hood. But, our LA cold is only 40F so I cycle the glow plugs once,
> listen for the clunk, and start right up with no fuss or muss.
> >
> >
> > brian from la verne, ca
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: CaitlinDean <tinymachine@>
> > To: _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com)
> > Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 12:15 PM
> > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Cold Startin'
> >
> >
> > Â
> > I *finally* got an opportunity today to test out all that good cold
> starting info passed around the board lately. I've been practicing "the drill"
> but honestly it's only been between low 30's up to the 40's here in the
> morning, and that's no fun. NOT that 26f is really cold, but I had my first
> "failure" using the regular drill.
> >
> > So I remembered someone posted that when it's really cold they cycle the
> plugs 3 times...so I did that and she fired RIGHT up, after my first 2
> failures.
> >
> > I do have about 90% Biodiesel in the 1/3 full tank right now...totally
> meant to get it to about B50 before the cold snap. And didn't. But the drill
> is working for me, either way!
> >
> > Of course, my real problem with cold starting is the time it takes to
> "warm up"...and by that I mean...it takes what feels like a really long time
> before I can drive the car without it stalling. If I have to reverse first,
> it's even worse, but I digress.
> >
> > Is this most likely something that will change after my valve
> adjustment? Or a more likely culprit that I can chase? Oh, my coolant is also pretty
> shot and desperately in need of a change. (Luckily we do get warm winter
> days here, so it's on the "really soon" list)
> >
> > Anyway...thanks to all who chimed in with cold starting tips!
> >
> > Caitlin
> > Santa Fe
> >
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Cold Startin'...additive question

 

I use the PS diesel fuel supplement on a regular basis (4oz-6oz per tank). Same thing with MMO on an alternate basis. I do diesel purges twice each year, and change the pre filters twice each year, fuel filters once each year. Have not had any fuel issues for many years now. Also, only buy fuel at two stations with high fuel turnover unless traveling and even then the freeway stations will have high fuel turnover. And, I am jealous of our veggie and B20, B100 people.
 
brian from la verne, ca

From: CaitlinDean <tinymachine@gmail.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Cold Startin'...additive question

 


--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> RIGHT NOW stop whatever you're doing (even if it's midnight) and drive to the Truck Stop out on The Interstate and buy a quart bottle of " DIESEL 911 " and dump it in the tank before your car becomes un startable .

Well, it wasn't midnight...but I went to one of the local shops for this. Betty started fine...first shot, with 3 glow plug (full) cycles (aka including clunk).

On the bottle for Diesel 911, it says "for emergency" and "does not prevent gelling" yaddy yaddy...basically gave me the impression, once you've got the problem "use THIS" and on the bottle it said to PREVENT gelling to use the Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement + Cetane Boost.

So I bought the supplement instead of the 911 because I didn't YET have a gelling issue...and want to check with you guys before I use it...in case I need to swap, because you all know a LOT more than I do, and I wouldn't be surprised if you know more than what the bottle says outright ;)

Here's what is in my tank right now:
about 4-5 gallons of roughly B50 PLUS the rest of the tank filled with petrol diesel
(so...somewhere between B10-B20...yes?)
PLUS around 8oz of Diesel Kleen that I found in my trunk

Temps are mid-20s the last couple of days...about 10deg warmer during the day...it's *usually* over 40 during the day most of the winter and much colder at night.

I am only planning on B10-B20 right now...the temporary B50 was a fluke because my friend wanted to put my few gallons of B100 right in my tank rather than my can.

So is the supplement better for my situation than 911? I want to get it right!

> Do the valve adjust ASAP too ! .
>
> Remember : before you take anythng apart you'll need the special wrenches Mark of this list) , a set of feeler gauges that have .004" & .014" blades in them , I *HIGHLY* suggest getting ' stepped ' feeler gauges , these have the end portion of the blade precision ground to the size marked on it , this makes it more or less fool prooof as you adjust so the end bit passes through but the larger stem part , must be forced in the gap .
>
> You'll also need a valve cover gasket and maybe a few spare 8MM nuts & wave washers as they're easy to drop and come in super handy all the time anyways .

Well, darn...I like to support list members...but I already got all of these type tools as part of a package deal before I started lurking here. But I DO have the CD manual from Tom Hanson on my christmas list ;) And now I'll be sure to ask ahead of buying in case I can throw support in the right area...thanks!

>
> To prevent it from stalling , start the engine FIRST then fiddle with the radio , heater controls , lights , wipers , seatbelts etc. as this gives the engine a moment to wamr up a bit , then you can lightly keep the engine running with your right toes whilst you _firmly_ apply the brakes with the ball of your left foot ~ do not rev. the engine any higher than necessary to prevent stalling and always remember to wait for the tranny to release fully before changing from drive to reverse or vice-versa . this little bit will prevent you from having tranny troubles like everyone else you know does .

Nate, I do it just like this...just how you taught me :) Almost never stalls, and when it does it's cuz I'm not paying enough attention or I'm impatient.

> Didja put some heavy things in the trunk for extra traction yet ? ice is a nasty thing .

My "garage" is in my trunk ;) But...not nearly as heavy as kitty litter or a dead body, so I may have more work to do there, but usually no icy driving required...then again, you never know!

Caitlin
Santa Fe

> Caitlin wrote:
> >
> > I *finally* got an opportunity today to test out all that good cold starting info passed around the board lately. I've been practicing "the drill" but honestly it's only been between low 30's up to the 40's here in the morning, and that's no fun. NOT that 26f is really cold, but I had my first "failure" using the regular drill.
> >
> > So I remembered someone posted that when it's really cold they cycle the plugs 3 times...so I did that and she fired RIGHT up, after my first 2 failures.
> >
> > I do have about 90% Biodiesel in the 1/3 full tank right now...totally meant to get it to about B50 before the cold snap. And didn't. But the drill is working for me, either way!
> >
> > Of course, my real problem with cold starting is the time it takes to "warm up"...and by that I mean...it takes what feels like a really long time before I can drive the car without it stalling. If I have to reverse first, it's even worse, but I digress.
> >
> > Is this most likely something that will change after my valve adjustment? Or a more likely culprit that I can chase? Oh, my coolant is also pretty shot and desperately in need of a change. (Luckily we do get warm winter days here, so it's on the "really soon" list)
> >
> > Anyway...thanks to all who chimed in with cold starting tips!
> >
> > Caitlin
> > Santa Fe
> >
>



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