[diesel_mercedes] AC Fun

 


R134 also has a lower working vpressure than does R12 so don't just go tossing cans of R134a in there willy nilly .

-Nate
      Max   wrote :

Yep and I used some other stuff made in Idaho, cant remember the name now, I got it to last two years. Its very frustrating even with a short ac season. My 2006 Subaru still blows cool, does not seem cold, but then I dont really drive it in summer so have not really used it much. When my 240 works it does work good up till about 95 degrees, then its better than outside but not cold anymore just cooler. Hot summer coming. Max 

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:25 PM, 'Mark in Lakewood, CO' beeser750@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I'm assuming you're recharging with R-134a.  R-134a is a much smaller molecule than R-12, or atmospheric air, so if there's a place for it to escape, it will.

20-years ago, when doing conversions from 12 to 134a was at it's peak, some supplier (I can't remember who.  Advertised in "The Star", among other places) sold a kit that included not only refrigerant, connector adaptors, PAG oil, etc, but also "barrier hoses", the claim being that the stock hoses in R-12 systems used in W116, 123 and 126 cars would leach out R-134a.  I've also seen evaporators that developed pinholes that would leak R-134a, but not R-12.

30-years ago, before yards were required to remove the refrigerants, it was not uncommon to come across then 15-, 20-year-old-cars with a full charge of R-12 still in their systems.  If you loosened a connection, or broke or cut a hose, you were in for a surprise...!

Mark in Centennial, CO
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When you guys pull a vacuum on the ac system, how long is needed to see the system seems OK?  My neighbor has all that stuff Nate just mentioned, he has taken ac classes, ect.,ect.We have been tru my whole system, the vacuum reads good for as long as we can wait. Fill it up with ac juice, works good for 1 summer. Blah. Leaks out somewhere, old cars . Max P.S. does anyones ac system work year after year with no recharge? 

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O.K. , I'll try to not let this message be the size of a 'phone book , it would be if i covered everything this week =8-^ .


It turns out the Uro fan works O.K. (it vibrates at speed) , there's another as of yet undiscovered fault.....


Anyone know where the fan relay is located ? .


Anyway , the horrific noise my Coupe started making the other day turned out to be my brandy new SANDEN AC compressor grinding itself to junk because the guy who install it muffed the job on several levels ~ he left things loose so multiple fasteners fall off as i was driving , he didn't tighten the hose connection to the back of the compressor so all the Freon leaked out and his screwed up the wiring so the compressor was running constantly even in the non AC " EC " mode , the screwed up wiring also meant the high/low pressure safety switch was BY PASSED so after the Freon was gone , the oil dribbled out bit by bit and the poor compressor ground up due to simple lack of oil.


He also damaged the body a bit and didn't install the new Condensor properly so it was rubbing on the body and one bracket was detached.....


I have much work to do , I am now looking at buying an AC vacuum pump to properly evacuate the system , maybe even a pressure pump to better test it before charging .


There's a whole lot more bad news , let your imagination run wild .


On the positive side of things , I decided  whilst I had to car up in the air I might as well replace the aging American made fractional V-Belts with proper Metric news ones , of course I got a mixed pair of alternator belts , one made in Germany , t'other made in CHINA ~ guess how well they're ' matched ' .


On they went after a very small amount of cleaning , this is the good news : in spite of the recent fuel leaks I've had , I am very pleased to see almost ZERO engine oil leaks under neath the car ! this is a happy thing as I've been replacing gaskets and grommets etc. for a while now .


The intake tract had very little oil in it , only on the bottom part , not lightly coated as is common .


I decided to replace the engine shock absorber mounts , the one below the IP was disintegrating (I have a 'photo but my computer suddenly doesn't see it)  , The Classic Center now has the kits very affordably and this includes the hardware , nice as the over sized 6 MM hole flat washersd make dandy problem solvers .


Still no HAVC =8-( , lots more other works to do .


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[diesel_mercedes] Freon

 


Just so Mark ;

For a while there they were salvaging the oil R12 and selling it , I wonder how they filtered and de contaminated it ? .

I've been studying up on AC Service since I've not done any since 1986 or so and there's a lot of comments that 20 + year old AC hoses simply degrade and become slightly porous , they recommend either new hoses complete or re using your old ends with new modern typ hose....

We'll see .

I still have to work out what and how the two switches on the receiver-dryer are _supposed_ to work and be connected , fix whatever is wrong there , before I begin to think about flushing the system , new compressor , new hoses and so on .

I no longer remember how to purge the AC Gauges , for example and I know this is very important for satisfactory long term results .

-Nate
         Mark   wrote :

I'm assuming you're recharging with R-134a.  R-134a is a much smaller molecule than R-12, or atmospheric air, so if there's a place for it to escape, it will.

20-years ago, when doing conversions from 12 to 134a was at it's peak, some supplier (I can't remember who.  Advertised in "The Star", among other places) sold a kit that included not only refrigerant, connector adaptors, PAG oil, etc, but also "barrier hoses", the claim being that the stock hoses in R-12 systems used in W116, 123 and 126 cars would leach out R-134a.  I've also seen evaporators that developed pinholes that would leak R-134a, but not R-12.

30-years ago, before yards were required to remove the refrigerants, it was not uncommon to come across then 15-, 20-year-old-cars with a full charge of R-12 still in their systems.  If you loosened a connection, or broke or cut a hose, you were in for a surprise...!

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Eckler's PDF Catalog

 



That's a very good idea Brian ~

I've just been connected to a better printer @ work and can now print on both  sides of the paper .

Maybe I should do that too when I get back .

Buy some _decent_ paper too ~ the crap they buy is like 250 % recycled and doesn't print well , falls apart , causes printer jams ,on and on and...

-Nate
         Brian  wrote :

I got so excited yesterday that I printed the 1980-1993 MB manual (.pdf file) and put all 350+ pages in a 3 ring binder that now sits on my shelf. I may never look at it again (I think I will), but it turned out well. With the Ecklers .pdf file on hand plus all the other materials, I am beginning to think I could build a w123 300d from scratch, if I weren't so old and crickety.

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[diesel_mercedes] Mixing Diesel & Gasoline

 



Right Max ;

She was a newbie and didn't know what to expect .

-Nate
         Max   wrote :

If you are in tune with your car you will smell the RUG instantly and know what happened.. Max

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:09 PM, vwnate1@... [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




A couple years ago a nice lady in Texas decided to try Mercedes Diesels , she had some problems , one of which was her boyfriend filling it up with RUG and then when it began to run very poorly indeed , he insisted he'd put Diesel in it so they messed around for a month before figuring it out .

You PAID to get rid of a tank full of contaminated gasoline ?! .

Ouch , they were laughing as you drove away .

-Nate
        Douglas  wrote :

My wife filled an almost empty tank on my W123 with gasoline and then drove approximately 50 miles before realizing her mistake. A shop we had used in the past was close by, so she dropped off the car. The shop drained the tank (we paid a fee for disposal) and filled with diesel. Picked the car up the next morning and drove home with no issues and there have been no problems since (2 yrs). The shop manager was very impressed that the MBZ was a survivor, under the circumstances.

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[diesel_mercedes] Phoenix In April

 



I arrived just fine .

It rained quite a bit , the temp. never passed 8* F and there was a stiff breeze all day long .

When I was in my Teens and Twenties , the Az. heat didn't bother me much , now it's bad and I worry about needing to change a tire , we'll see .

I went up the Chiriaco grade @ 102 MPH , 10" of boost and 82* C on the temperature gauge .

The vent hose on the rocker box keeps popping off , not a lot of oil spits out but it bugs me so I ordered up another rubber elbow ~ I already have the special spring clamp .

I left late this morning , got to Bloomington , Ca. before running completely out of fuel @ 573 miles , this returned  27.4 MPG ~ I think that's the best MPG's I've ever gotten out of this Coupe ~ I wasn't on the throttle much , no additives at all .

I cleaned the clear plastic intake screen three times , each time it had those tiny black chunks than when you touch them , *instantly* dissolve into fine jet black paste , no grit to be felt .

I tanked it up and added almost two pints of Startron , I can already see the black chunks collecting dammit .

I may have to remove the fuel sender again to see if fungus has started back growing in there .

I've been running it hard since I filled it up , swerving a lot left and right too , trying to get the cud in the fuel tank to get sucked into the tank screen....

It's *SO* beautiful out here in the Desert . smells nice too because of all the rain .

Diesel here in HOTazona is $1.99 ~ $2.17 .

-Nate
         Brian   wrote :

All I can say is this - maybe 5 or 6 years ago I had to take my wifes car (Martha) to Phoenix at the end of July. My wifes A/C was non-functioning. We left Phoenix and the road temps were 110-115. Blew one tire in AZ, and a 2nd tire outside Blythe. I sweated like a stuck pig changing the tires, my wife thought I was going to die, she got heat stroke outside of Blythe and the ambulance took her back to Blythe Hospital where we spent the next 8 hours. Going to Phoenix in April will be a piece of cake - enjoy the cool breezes.

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[diesel_mercedes] Wa. State & RUST

 


Judging by the incredibly rusty old cars I saw in a Junk Yard there , I feel it's safe to say that yes , it rains in Port Townsend , Wa. , a _LOT_ .

-Nate

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Two Steps Forward , One Step back......

 

Yep and I used some other stuff made in Idaho, cant remember the name now, I got it to last two years. Its very frustrating even with a short ac season. My 2006 Subaru still blows cool, does not seem cold, but then I dont really drive it in summer so have not really used it much. When my 240 works it does work good up till about 95 degrees, then its better than outside but not cold anymore just cooler. Hot summer coming. Max 

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:25 PM, 'Mark in Lakewood, CO' beeser750@q.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I'm assuming you're recharging with R-134a.  R-134a is a much smaller molecule than R-12, or atmospheric air, so if there's a place for it to escape, it will.

20-years ago, when doing conversions from 12 to 134a was at it's peak, some supplier (I can't remember who.  Advertised in "The Star", among other places) sold a kit that included not only refrigerant, connector adaptors, PAG oil, etc, but also "barrier hoses", the claim being that the stock hoses in R-12 systems used in W116, 123 and 126 cars would leach out R-134a.  I've also seen evaporators that developed pinholes that would leak R-134a, but not R-12.

30-years ago, before yards were required to remove the refrigerants, it was not uncommon to come across then 15-, 20-year-old-cars with a full charge of R-12 still in their systems.  If you loosened a connection, or broke or cut a hose, you were in for a surprise...!

Mark in Centennial, CO
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Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Two Steps Forward , One Step back......

 

When you guys pull a vacuum on the ac system, how long is needed to see the system seems OK?  My neighbor has all that stuff Nate just mentioned, he has taken ac classes, ect.,ect.We have been tru my whole system, the vacuum reads good for as long as we can wait. Fill it up with ac juice, works good for 1 summer. Blah. Leaks out somewhere, old cars . Max P.S. does anyones ac system work year after year with no recharge? 

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:54 AM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


O.K. , I'll try to not let this message be the size of a 'phone book , it would be if i covered everything this week =8-^ .


It turns out the Uro fan works O.K. (it vibrates at speed) , there's another as of yet undiscovered fault.....


Anyone know where the fan relay is located ? .


Anyway , the horrific noise my Coupe started making the other day turned out to be my brandy new SANDEN AC compressor grinding itself to junk because the guy who install it muffed the job on several levels ~ he left things loose so multiple fasteners fall off as i was driving , he didn't tighten the hose connection to the back of the compressor so all the Freon leaked out and his screwed up the wiring so the compressor was running constantly even in the non AC " EC " mode , the screwed up wiring also meant the high/low pressure safety switch was BY PASSED so after the Freon was gone , the oil dribbled out bit by bit and the poor compressor ground up due to simple lack of oil.


He also damaged the body a bit and didn't install the new Condensor properly so it was rubbing on the body and one bracket was detached.....


I have much work to do , I am now looking at buying an AC vacuum pump to properly evacuate the system , maybe even a pressure pump to better test it before charging .


There's a whole lot more bad news , let your imagination run wild .


On the positive side of things , I decided  whilst I had to car up in the air I might as well replace the aging American made fractional V-Belts with proper Metric news ones , of course I got a mixed pair of alternator belts , one made in Germany , t'other made in CHINA ~ guess how well they're ' matched ' .


On they went after a very small amount of cleaning , this is the good news : in spite of the recent fuel leaks I've had , I am very pleased to see almost ZERO engine oil leaks under neath the car ! this is a happy thing as I've been replacing gaskets and grommets etc. for a while now .


The intake tract had very little oil in it , only on the bottom part , not lightly coated as is common .


I decided to replace the engine shock absorber mounts , the one below the IP was disintegrating (I have a 'photo but my computer suddenly doesn't see it)  , The Classic Center now has the kits very affordably and this includes the hardware , nice as the over sized 6 MM hole flat washersd make dandy problem solvers .


Still no HAVC =8-( , lots more other works to do .


-Nate







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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Two Steps Forward , One Step back......

 

I'm assuming you're recharging with R-134a.  R-134a is a much smaller molecule than R-12, or atmospheric air, so if there's a place for it to escape, it will.

20-years ago, when doing conversions from 12 to 134a was at it's peak, some supplier (I can't remember who.  Advertised in "The Star", among other places) sold a kit that included not only refrigerant, connector adaptors, PAG oil, etc, but also "barrier hoses", the claim being that the stock hoses in R-12 systems used in W116, 123 and 126 cars would leach out R-134a.  I've also seen evaporators that developed pinholes that would leak R-134a, but not R-12.

30-years ago, before yards were required to remove the refrigerants, it was not uncommon to come across then 15-, 20-year-old-cars with a full charge of R-12 still in their systems.  If you loosened a connection, or broke or cut a hose, you were in for a surprise...!

Mark in Centennial, CO
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When you guys pull a vacuum on the ac system, how long is needed to see the system seems OK?  My neighbor has all that stuff Nate just mentioned, he has taken ac classes, ect.,ect.We have been tru my whole system, the vacuum reads good for as long as we can wait. Fill it up with ac juice, works good for 1 summer. Blah. Leaks out somewhere, old cars . Max P.S. does anyones ac system work year after year with no recharge? 

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:54 AM, vwnate1@yahoo.com [diesel_mercedes] <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


O.K. , I'll try to not let this message be the size of a 'phone book , it would be if i covered everything this week =8-^ .


It turns out the Uro fan works O.K. (it vibrates at speed) , there's another as of yet undiscovered fault.....


Anyone know where the fan relay is located ? .


Anyway , the horrific noise my Coupe started making the other day turned out to be my brandy new SANDEN AC compressor grinding itself to junk because the guy who install it muffed the job on several levels ~ he left things loose so multiple fasteners fall off as i was driving , he didn't tighten the hose connection to the back of the compressor so all the Freon leaked out and his screwed up the wiring so the compressor was running constantly even in the non AC " EC " mode , the screwed up wiring also meant the high/low pressure safety switch was BY PASSED so after the Freon was gone , the oil dribbled out bit by bit and the poor compressor ground up due to simple lack of oil.


He also damaged the body a bit and didn't install the new Condensor properly so it was rubbing on the body and one bracket was detached.....


I have much work to do , I am now looking at buying an AC vacuum pump to properly evacuate the system , maybe even a pressure pump to better test it before charging .


There's a whole lot more bad news , let your imagination run wild .


On the positive side of things , I decided  whilst I had to car up in the air I might as well replace the aging American made fractional V-Belts with proper Metric news ones , of course I got a mixed pair of alternator belts , one made in Germany , t'other made in CHINA ~ guess how well they're ' matched ' .


On they went after a very small amount of cleaning , this is the good news : in spite of the recent fuel leaks I've had , I am very pleased to see almost ZERO engine oil leaks under neath the car ! this is a happy thing as I've been replacing gaskets and grommets etc. for a while now .


The intake tract had very little oil in it , only on the bottom part , not lightly coated as is common .


I decided to replace the engine shock absorber mounts , the one below the IP was disintegrating (I have a 'photo but my computer suddenly doesn't see it)  , The Classic Center now has the kits very affordably and this includes the hardware , nice as the over sized 6 MM hole flat washersd make dandy problem solvers .


Still no HAVC =8-( , lots more other works to do .


-Nate




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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Eckler's PDF Catalog

 

I got so excited yesterday that I printed the 1980-1993 MB manual (.pdf file) and put all 350+ pages in a 3 ring binder that now sits on my shelf. I may never look at it again (I think I will), but it turned out well. With the Ecklers .pdf file on hand plus all the other materials, I am beginning to think I could build a w123 300d from scratch, if I weren't so old and crickety.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Mixing Diesel & Gasoline For Extreme Cold

 

I cant find any mention of adding gas in the 123 manual but on page 84 it has a chart for winterizing diesel by adding kerosene, which is what the fuel companies used to do up here in the frozen north, with a 50/50 mix. I was told several years ago there is some new process they use now, but dont know for sure. max

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I'm inside now but I *think* my W-123 manual says not to exceed 20 % RUG .

I'd tell you I'll look at it to - morrow but I have lots to do getting ready to hit the road Friday morning .

-Nate
         Max   wrote :

I've said this a couple of times before. In my original 1959 190D manual it stated in emergencies for winter it was OK to mix 40% gasoline in the #2 diesel for a winter mix. max

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My wife filled an almost empty tank on my W123 with gasoline and then drove approximately 50 miles before realizing her mistake. A shop we had used in the past was close by, so she dropped off the car. The shop drained the tank (we paid a fee for disposal) and filled with diesel. Picked the car up the next morning and drove home with no issues and there have been no problems since (2 yrs). The shop manager was very impressed that the MBZ was a survivor, under the circumstances.

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Just an odd and interesting test of running gasoline in a diesel, and vice versa.

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