Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Hemp as an oil source.

 

Tony, 
 
    Be careful, don't ascribe anything to "global warming"!  Don't we all know that that is just a marxist, commie made up theory to undermine the capitalist system generally and the clean coal and oil industries in particular? 
 
    I doubt very much that Germany has much in the way of biofuel source material.  I agree that warmer climates may be better able to provide that as a renewable resource. 
 
    But Germany does have solar and wind power, as the article mis-cited by Riker notes.  And both in Europe and in the United States there are companies trying to harness energy from tidal flow. 
 
    Riker does note that his favored Tea Party Republicans are trying to end subsidies for alternate energy sources.  For some reason, he fails to mention the decades of taxpayer subsidies we have given, and continue to give to the petrochemical and nuclear industries that he favors. 
 
    And he ignores, or rejects, other analysts explanations for the documented quality problems at Mercedes in the 1990s.  While other analysts seem to find a basis in Mercedes' diluting management manpower in its failed attempt to work with Chrysler, Riker finds a basis for attacking Mercedes' excellent work force. 
 
    Since ethanol is not as efficient a fuel as gasoline or diesel, I expect that our current corporate/government reliance on ethanol will be short lived.  There may well be both bacterially generated and chemically generated biofuels made from organic material that are more efficient and cost effective than ethanol in the near future. 
 
    Of course, last week's Congressional vote to bar the Pentagon from sourcing renewable fuels, if that process takes profits away from the Saudis and the multinationals that dictate Tea Party Republican policy, will slow the development of alternative fuels, even as it weakens our defense structure. 
 
    I also expect that all European and Asian auto companies, INCLUDING MERCEDES, will continue to develop more efficient electrical drive trains.  The one real impediment to electric cars remains the battery source.  But back in 1776, people were using Leyden Jars.  Then we got Lead Acid.  Then Nicad.  Now Lithium polymers.  Once someone develops a truly high capacity battery, our beloved diesels will really be relics. 
 
    Even now, no petroleum fueled car can match an electric car for acceleration or torque, IF the electric has a sufficient energy source.  The physics of the electric motors are simply too clear, like the difference between analog and digital audio.  (Or am I starting another debate with that claim?). 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2012 9:33:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aldridgetony97@yahoo.com writes:
 

Tom, Germany has a huge investment in Photo Voltaic power, but are you telling me that they have an economically viable veggie oil growing industry? I would love to be wrong about oil/alcohol crop viability in northern climes. So far there is promise for cellulostic ethanol from wood waste, hereabouts we have huge forests of standing dead pine, that possibly may turn into a viable ethanol business, but that is not from planned planting but is an accident of global warming.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> Tony:
>
> I think that the Germans are going to be very disappointed to learn
> that they don't have enough sunshine to be doing what they actually ARE
> doing. Sort of like the old 'proof' that bumble bees can't actually fly with
> their tiny wings.
>
> I think that your are correct about the corn-ethanol folks. And about
> sugar. One reason Brazil isn't suffering economically the way we are is
> their sugar fuel industry.
>
> Of course, we put prohibitive tariffs on sugar, here in the U.S.,
> forcing the price too high to import it for fuel. We do this even while paying
> billions each year in direct subsidy payments to the sugar industry (helps
> keep lots of Florida Republican corporations happy). If we ended the
> sugar tariffs and subsidies, we could see a dramatic increase in ag-fuel
> production, even while seeing BILLIONS in tax savings each year.
>
> I wonder (no I don't) why the Tea Party Republicans who control both
> houses of Congress right now haven't introduced legislation to end such
> tariffs and subsidies.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/10/2012 11:27:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> aldridgetony97@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> There is little to recommend trying to grow oil crops north of the Mason
> Dixon line, there just is not enough sunshine per square inch.
> The corn oil/ethanol folks only survive because of subsidies. Alcohol is
> much cheaper if made from cane sugar, and veggie oil will be being made from
> algae in order to be economically viable. Hemp may be wonderful in all its
> guises but you have to get into the tropics to be able to use it as fuel.
> Tony.
>
> --- In _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) , Mark Atkins <mratkins@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys, check out hemp (industrial) as an alternative fuel source for
> > our beloved rides. Hemp cannot be grown in the United States but can be
> > in Canada and most other countries AND the products exported to our
> > country. (Why do you suppose that is??) It can be processed into a
> > superior biodiesel fuel, ethanol, many useful products such as clothing,
> > etc., and is even a food (fuel) source for us! It really is an amazing
> > plant.
> >
> > The cannabis variety is not what I am referring, however, it needs to be
> > explored further in the medical community as a curative for some (many)
> > diseases. (Wonder why it is not being?)
> >
> > Links and sources upon request.
> >
> > Mark in Texas
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/10/2012 11:15 AM, Yahoo! Member Service wrote:
> > >
> > > please no Party bickering please.About the Benz,lets convince the
> > > Pres. to make diesel fuel from coal
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On *Sun, 6/10/12, briankk /<briankk@>/* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: briankk <briankk@>
> > > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > > To: _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com)
> > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 11:06 AM
> > >
> > > So, after a couple of generations of "education" under disciples
> > > of Bill Ayers, the electorate elects The One as president of the
> > > United States.
> > >
> > > The One immediately attacks resource extraction, shuts down
> > > drilling, promises to put big coal out of business. A few years
> > > later, the electorate is looking for someone to blame for $4.50/ga
> > > fuel, and deprived of mirrors, I guess, decides it's either the
> > > fault of Evil George Bush, or the Tea Party.
> > >
> > > We are doomed....
> > >
> > > bk
> > >
> > > --- On *Sat, 6/9/12, audiolaw@ /<audiolaw@>/* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: audiolaw@ <audiolaw@>
> > > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > > To: _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com)
> > > Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 6:18 PM
> > >
> > > Yeah! 2-4% is the best we can do with both wind and
> > > solar, particularly here in So. Cal.
> > > I saw a news story recently that Germany has actually
> > > achieved *50%* of its energy needs from solar and other
> > > alternative energy sources.
> > > But Germany is so different from So. Cal.
> > > For one thing, they're so much closer to the equator! So
> > > they have so much more sunlight energy to work with.
> > > And they pay their unionized workers much more than we pay
> > > our unionized workers and MUCH MUCH more than we pay our
> > > non-unionized workers (so they get workers actually
> > > contributing ideas and thinking to products and processes).
> > > And because all their children are actually EDUCATED in
> > > public schools, instead of just being warehoused there,
> > > INCLUDING the children of all the immigrant workers that come
> > > to Germany for good jobs, they have much more intellectual
> > > talent to draw on to improve their society.
> > > And because their workers and workers' families all have
> > > health care, they don't have people losing work or thinking
> > > time waiting in line for medical attention, and they are
> > > healthier overall and better able to think about innovative
> > > energy development and usage.
> > > But that's alright, as long as our industrial leaders keep
> > > raking in profits (which they can park overseas) and our
> > > middle class keeps having declining incomes (in real dollars)
> > > it's just fine for us to be convinced that 2-4% is the best we
> > > can do. That just proves that we are so much 'freer' than
> > > those unlucky Germans. (Sigh - when will they ever learn to
> > > make a decent car in that country?)
> > > In a message dated 6/9/2012 6:03:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight
> > > Time, brad_macaboy1234@ writes:
> > >
> > > Gas will be back around $2.50 in November, my prediction.
> > >
> > > I like the idea of wind and solar, but it can only produce
> > > about 2-4% energy of our needs from what I understand.
> > > Diesel and longer chain hydrocarbons are the energy source
> > > for most large scale transpo. Natural gas is taking a
> > > beating, now.
> > >
> > > --- On *Sat, 6/9/12, BStromsoe /<bstromsoe@>/* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: BStromsoe <bstromsoe@>
> > > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > > To: "_diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) "
> > > <_diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) >
> > > Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 2:34 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's i9n Venezuela. When I was there in 2003, it was
> > > $0.30 per liter
> > > brian from laverne, ca
> > > Mary (195K) Martha (280K)
> > > 1983 w123 300d's
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From:* Nate <vwnate1@>
> > > *To:* _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com)
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:23 AM
> > > *Subject:* [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > >
> > >
> > > I see where crude oil has dropped to $84 / barrel , so
> > > where the crap is our $2.50 Fuel ? .
> > >
> > > When it was $5.00 / barrel , Diesel briefly jumped to
> > > $5.00 / gallon in Cali.
> > >
> > > Just this morning I saw $3.79 / gallon branded Diesel
> > > fuel , Gasoline is still $4.05 .
> > >
> > > -Nate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this message.
> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <_http://www.avg.com_
> (http://www.avg.com/) >
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> 06/10/12
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> > --
> >
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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : " Going Down Next Thursday "

 

Big hip surgery on Thursday. Max

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> That sounds like a Hospital to me Max , are you O.K. ? .
>
> Should we do anything to help ? .
>
> -Nate
> Max wrote:
> >
> > Sacred Heart, Spokane. Max
> >
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Max ;
> > >
> > > Where ? .
> > >
> > > -Nate
> > >
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: They LIED

 

Germany is closer to the equator? Which one? Solar works. People have to change. Max
--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> Yeah! 2-4% is the best we can do with both wind and solar, particularly
> here in So. Cal.
>
> I saw a news story recently that Germany has actually achieved 50% of
> its energy needs from solar and other alternative energy sources.
>
> But Germany is so different from So. Cal.
>
> For one thing, they're so much closer to the equator! So they have so
> much more sunlight energy to work with.
>
> And they pay their unionized workers much more than we pay our
> unionized workers and MUCH MUCH more than we pay our non-unionized workers (so
> they get workers actually contributing ideas and thinking to products and
> processes).
>
> And because all their children are actually EDUCATED in public
> schools, instead of just being warehoused there, INCLUDING the children of all the
> immigrant workers that come to Germany for good jobs, they have much more
> intellectual talent to draw on to improve their society.
>
> And because their workers and workers' families all have health care,
> they don't have people losing work or thinking time waiting in line for
> medical attention, and they are healthier overall and better able to think
> about innovative energy development and usage.
>
> But that's alright, as long as our industrial leaders keep raking in
> profits (which they can park overseas) and our middle class keeps having
> declining incomes (in real dollars) it's just fine for us to be convinced that
> 2-4% is the best we can do. That just proves that we are so much 'freer'
> than those unlucky Germans. (Sigh - when will they ever learn to make a
> decent car in that country?)
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/9/2012 6:03:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> brad_macaboy1234@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Gas will be back around $2.50 in November, my prediction.
>
> I like the idea of wind and solar, but it can only produce about 2-4%
> energy of our needs from what I understand. Diesel and longer chain
> hydrocarbons are the energy source for most large scale transpo. Natural gas is taking
> a beating, now.
>
> --- On Sat, 6/9/12, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: BStromsoe <bstromsoe@...>
> Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 2:34 PM
>
>
>
>
>
> It's i9n Venezuela. When I was there in 2003, it was $0.30 per liter
>
>
> brian from laverne, ca
> Mary (195K) Martha (280K)
> 1983 w123 300d's
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________
> From: Nate <vwnate1@...>
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:23 AM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I see where crude oil has dropped to $84 / barrel , so where the crap is
> our $2.50 Fuel ? .
>
> When it was $5.00 / barrel , Diesel briefly jumped to $5.00 / gallon in
> Cali.
>
> Just this morning I saw $3.79 / gallon branded Diesel fuel , Gasoline is
> still $4.05 .
>
> -Nate
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED

 

Perhaps every year or so I lose control and speak the truth, for which I apologize.  I don't intend to argue about it.

bk

--- On Sun, 6/10/12, audiolaw@aol.com <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:

From: audiolaw@aol.com <audiolaw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 5:35 PM

 

Brian: 
 
    I presume that you are aware that most of the coal we mine is shipped to China and other customers, who are willing to pay more than U.S. companies pay?  I presume that you also know that the U.S. government, under Bush and under Obama has taken no steps to stop this export of coal resources? 
 
    Why, then, blame Obama?  What has Obama DONE about coal, in contrast to his campaign promises? 
 
    "Resource extraction"?  Do you mean things like the BP / Halliburton escapade with the Deep Water Horizon well?  Is that your idea of proper "resource extraction"? 
 
    Or, are you referring to the fact that we are extracting much more DOMESTIC natural gas and other oil products under the current administration than we did under ANY previous president. 
 
    Or are you referring, perhaps to the pipeline designed to carry CANADIAN tar sands oil from CANADA to the U.S. gulf coast refineries for EXPORT to FOREIGN consumers? 
 
    We do have FACTS, rather than accusations against an easy to hate black President.  The facts by EVERY source are that we have such a surplus of gasoline that we are now a net EXPORTER, and that the oil industry keeps consumer prices high, despite that surplus.  How would you say President Obama is responsible for that oil industry conspiracy?  Or of the "Evil George Bush or the Tea Party"? 
 
Tom 
 
ps:    Are you able to cite to even a SINGLE source of anyone other than rightwing writers referring to President Obama as "The One"? 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2012 9:07:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, briankk@att.net writes:
 

So, after a couple of generations of "education" under disciples of Bill Ayers, the electorate elects The One as president of the United States. 

The One immediately attacks resource extraction, shuts down drilling, promises to put big coal out of business.  A few years later, the electorate is looking for someone to blame for $4.50/ga fuel, and deprived of mirrors, I guess, decides it's either the fault of Evil George Bush, or the Tea Party.

We are doomed....

bk

--- On Sat, 6/9/12, audiolaw@aol.com <audiolaw@aol.com> wrote:

From: audiolaw@aol.com <audiolaw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 6:18 PM

 

    Yeah!  2-4% is the best we can do with both wind and solar, particularly here in So. Cal. 
 
    I saw a news story recently that Germany has actually achieved 50% of its energy needs from solar and other alternative energy sources. 
 
    But Germany is so different from So. Cal. 
 
    For one thing, they're so much closer to the equator!  So they have so much more sunlight energy to work with. 
 
    And they pay their unionized workers much more than we pay our unionized workers and MUCH MUCH more than we pay our non-unionized workers (so they get workers actually contributing ideas and thinking to products and processes). 
 
    And because all their children are actually EDUCATED in public schools, instead of just being warehoused there, INCLUDING the children of all the immigrant workers that come to Germany for good jobs, they have much more intellectual talent to draw on to improve their society. 
 
    And because their workers and workers' families all have health care, they don't have people losing work or thinking time waiting in line for medical attention, and they are healthier overall and better able to think about innovative energy development and usage. 
 
    But that's alright, as long as our industrial leaders keep raking in profits (which they can park overseas) and our middle class keeps having declining incomes (in real dollars) it's just fine for us to be convinced that 2-4% is the best we can do.  That just proves that we are so much 'freer' than those unlucky Germans.  (Sigh - when will they ever learn to make a decent car in that country?) 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/9/2012 6:03:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brad_macaboy1234@yahoo.com writes:
 

Gas will be back around $2.50 in November, my prediction.

I like the idea of wind and solar, but it can only produce about 2-4% energy of our needs from what I understand. Diesel and longer chain hydrocarbons are the energy source for most large scale transpo. Natural gas is taking a beating, now.

--- On Sat, 6/9/12, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 2:34 PM



It's i9n Venezuela. When I was there in 2003, it was $0.30 per liter
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED

 

I see where crude oil has dropped to $84 / barrel , so where the crap is our $2.50 Fuel ? .

When it was $5.00 / barrel , Diesel briefly jumped to $5.00 / gallon in Cali.

Just this morning I saw $3.79 / gallon branded Diesel fuel , Gasoline is still $4.05 .

-Nate

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : A Grand Idea

 

Brian, my kid lives in Tacoma, if she needs a scan I will let you know.<G>
Tony

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@...> wrote:
>
> Max, I will be in Tacoma the first week of July. Switch your surgery to St. Jo's in Tacoma (my kids do Cat Scans there), and bring one of the 240's with you. I am going to Dallas later that month so can drive it from WA to TX - don't know about how to put the $$ together, but hey, one thing at a time.
>
>  
> brian from laverne, ca
> Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
> 1983 w123 300d's
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nate <vwnate1@...>
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:52 PM
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re : A Grand Idea
>
>
>  
>
> Sounds great but where the heck shall I find $50 ? .
>
> -Nate
> Max wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of 240's I have a Grand Idea. Why don't a bunch of us donate $50 to the 240 Trish car fund and get her a nice 240? I will donate the first $50 and a tank of fuel if we get her one on my 240's. Well, what do you guys think? I think it's brilliant. I won't be able to deliver it on account of my surgery but could do something to make it happen. Maybe one of my boys could do it. Gonna be laying around all summer.Max
> >
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Hemp as an oil source.

 

Tom, Germany has a huge investment in Photo Voltaic power, but are you telling me that they have an economically viable veggie oil growing industry? I would love to be wrong about oil/alcohol crop viability in northern climes. So far there is promise for cellulostic ethanol from wood waste, hereabouts we have huge forests of standing dead pine, that possibly may turn into a viable ethanol business, but that is not from planned planting but is an accident of global warming.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> Tony:
>
> I think that the Germans are going to be very disappointed to learn
> that they don't have enough sunshine to be doing what they actually ARE
> doing. Sort of like the old 'proof' that bumble bees can't actually fly with
> their tiny wings.
>
> I think that your are correct about the corn-ethanol folks. And about
> sugar. One reason Brazil isn't suffering economically the way we are is
> their sugar fuel industry.
>
> Of course, we put prohibitive tariffs on sugar, here in the U.S.,
> forcing the price too high to import it for fuel. We do this even while paying
> billions each year in direct subsidy payments to the sugar industry (helps
> keep lots of Florida Republican corporations happy). If we ended the
> sugar tariffs and subsidies, we could see a dramatic increase in ag-fuel
> production, even while seeing BILLIONS in tax savings each year.
>
> I wonder (no I don't) why the Tea Party Republicans who control both
> houses of Congress right now haven't introduced legislation to end such
> tariffs and subsidies.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/10/2012 11:27:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> aldridgetony97@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> There is little to recommend trying to grow oil crops north of the Mason
> Dixon line, there just is not enough sunshine per square inch.
> The corn oil/ethanol folks only survive because of subsidies. Alcohol is
> much cheaper if made from cane sugar, and veggie oil will be being made from
> algae in order to be economically viable. Hemp may be wonderful in all its
> guises but you have to get into the tropics to be able to use it as fuel.
> Tony.
>
> --- In _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) , Mark Atkins <mratkins@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys, check out hemp (industrial) as an alternative fuel source for
> > our beloved rides. Hemp cannot be grown in the United States but can be
> > in Canada and most other countries AND the products exported to our
> > country. (Why do you suppose that is??) It can be processed into a
> > superior biodiesel fuel, ethanol, many useful products such as clothing,
> > etc., and is even a food (fuel) source for us! It really is an amazing
> > plant.
> >
> > The cannabis variety is not what I am referring, however, it needs to be
> > explored further in the medical community as a curative for some (many)
> > diseases. (Wonder why it is not being?)
> >
> > Links and sources upon request.
> >
> > Mark in Texas
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/10/2012 11:15 AM, Yahoo! Member Service wrote:
> > >
> > > please no Party bickering please.About the Benz,lets convince the
> > > Pres. to make diesel fuel from coal
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On *Sun, 6/10/12, briankk /<briankk@>/* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: briankk <briankk@>
> > > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > > To: _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com)
> > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 11:06 AM
> > >
> > > So, after a couple of generations of "education" under disciples
> > > of Bill Ayers, the electorate elects The One as president of the
> > > United States.
> > >
> > > The One immediately attacks resource extraction, shuts down
> > > drilling, promises to put big coal out of business. A few years
> > > later, the electorate is looking for someone to blame for $4.50/ga
> > > fuel, and deprived of mirrors, I guess, decides it's either the
> > > fault of Evil George Bush, or the Tea Party.
> > >
> > > We are doomed....
> > >
> > > bk
> > >
> > > --- On *Sat, 6/9/12, audiolaw@ /<audiolaw@>/* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: audiolaw@ <audiolaw@>
> > > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > > To: _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com)
> > > Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 6:18 PM
> > >
> > > Yeah! 2-4% is the best we can do with both wind and
> > > solar, particularly here in So. Cal.
> > > I saw a news story recently that Germany has actually
> > > achieved *50%* of its energy needs from solar and other
> > > alternative energy sources.
> > > But Germany is so different from So. Cal.
> > > For one thing, they're so much closer to the equator! So
> > > they have so much more sunlight energy to work with.
> > > And they pay their unionized workers much more than we pay
> > > our unionized workers and MUCH MUCH more than we pay our
> > > non-unionized workers (so they get workers actually
> > > contributing ideas and thinking to products and processes).
> > > And because all their children are actually EDUCATED in
> > > public schools, instead of just being warehoused there,
> > > INCLUDING the children of all the immigrant workers that come
> > > to Germany for good jobs, they have much more intellectual
> > > talent to draw on to improve their society.
> > > And because their workers and workers' families all have
> > > health care, they don't have people losing work or thinking
> > > time waiting in line for medical attention, and they are
> > > healthier overall and better able to think about innovative
> > > energy development and usage.
> > > But that's alright, as long as our industrial leaders keep
> > > raking in profits (which they can park overseas) and our
> > > middle class keeps having declining incomes (in real dollars)
> > > it's just fine for us to be convinced that 2-4% is the best we
> > > can do. That just proves that we are so much 'freer' than
> > > those unlucky Germans. (Sigh - when will they ever learn to
> > > make a decent car in that country?)
> > > In a message dated 6/9/2012 6:03:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight
> > > Time, brad_macaboy1234@ writes:
> > >
> > > Gas will be back around $2.50 in November, my prediction.
> > >
> > > I like the idea of wind and solar, but it can only produce
> > > about 2-4% energy of our needs from what I understand.
> > > Diesel and longer chain hydrocarbons are the energy source
> > > for most large scale transpo. Natural gas is taking a
> > > beating, now.
> > >
> > > --- On *Sat, 6/9/12, BStromsoe /<bstromsoe@>/* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: BStromsoe <bstromsoe@>
> > > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > > To: "_diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) "
> > > <_diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) >
> > > Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 2:34 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's i9n Venezuela. When I was there in 2003, it was
> > > $0.30 per liter
> > > brian from laverne, ca
> > > Mary (195K) Martha (280K)
> > > 1983 w123 300d's
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From:* Nate <vwnate1@>
> > > *To:* _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com)
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:23 AM
> > > *Subject:* [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > >
> > >
> > > I see where crude oil has dropped to $84 / barrel , so
> > > where the crap is our $2.50 Fuel ? .
> > >
> > > When it was $5.00 / barrel , Diesel briefly jumped to
> > > $5.00 / gallon in Cali.
> > >
> > > Just this morning I saw $3.79 / gallon branded Diesel
> > > fuel , Gasoline is still $4.05 .
> > >
> > > -Nate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this message.
> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <_http://www.avg.com_
> (http://www.avg.com/) >
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> 06/10/12
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED

 


On Jun 10, 2012, at 9:02 PM, audiolaw@aol.com wrote:

 

Riker: 
 
    Thank you for the link.  It doesn't say my observations were off, but that German industry  and government are still working to sort out how to provide electricity, particularly after the shutdown of 7 nuclear plants. 
 
    I note in the article that the industrial spokespeople are clear that they DO NOT WANT to restart the nuclear plants, and are most concerned with what they see as interdepartmental squabbling about alternative energy policy and policy on delivering energy from new sources to industries. 
 
    One of the delights of our Mercedes autos is that they are at once so conservatively designed and built AND so often innovative.  For example, the 126 was so much larger than the 123, but was designed to be so much more aerodynamic and fuel efficient.  That outlook seems to be mirrored by the fact that the German government trying to plan for a less polluting, more efficient energy future is the German CONSERVATIVE party's government. 
 
    Clearly, in Germany "conservative" means more about conserving values and resources for the entire society, with a long term, future oriented view.  Contrast that with the American meaning of "conservative" which seems to mean maximizing private interest and greed with an extremely short term view. 
 
    Perhaps that difference is why so many of us get so much pleasure out of driving 30, 40, and older years German cars, for which we can still get factory parts, while our neighbors with U.S. brand cars can't get parts after 10 years. 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2012 11:48:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, riker124@earthlink.net writes:
 

You read that Germany got up to 50% of it's energy from renewables. That's was wrong. Oh, I sure you must have read that somewhere. Then,Germany has a better climate to produce renewables than California. I would have though the long coastline (wind) and the desert areas (solar) would be an advantage. But, the U.S. does produce more energy from renewable than Germany. 

We also learn, from the article, energy prices have increased dramatically. This has caused industry to lose jobs. Jobs that will not be replaced.  There's a significant increase in the number of families that cannot pat their energy bills. Energy prices were rising before the nuke shutdowns. So, now things have gotten worse. One would think new solar operation would be the order of the day. No, solar facilities are going out of business. In fact, government wants to cut subsidies to solar. Yes, solar is being subsidized and still can't be made economical. The government's answer is to fix prices. You're in between a rock and a hard place. Germany know what's best but the German government is the problem. You are anti-nuke. But, those nukes kept the prices down and the emissions lower.

Yes Benz is innovative. But, it is a corporation. They have outsourced production to quite a number of countries. One of the reasons is the high cost of energy. They want to make a profit.  To keep that union payroll going, they have to make a profit. I would not call that greed. I haven't bought a new Benz in a few years. But, I have read in enthusiast magazines and even Consume Reports their production values have slipped. Don't get upset, they're probably the same people who wrote about that 50%.

Oh yeah, try Rock Auto. They have parts for cars over 50 years old. I've rebuilt entire suspensions for two of my '60's vehicles. Good prices and brand names too. 

Upon further review, your observations are off.


http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/47243   These are surly right wing loons, don't trust them. They might be telling the truth.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED

 

Riker: 
 
    Thank you for the link.  It doesn't say my observations were off, but that German industry  and government are still working to sort out how to provide electricity, particularly after the shutdown of 7 nuclear plants. 
 
    I note in the article that the industrial spokespeople are clear that they DO NOT WANT to restart the nuclear plants, and are most concerned with what they see as interdepartmental squabbling about alternative energy policy and policy on delivering energy from new sources to industries. 
 
    One of the delights of our Mercedes autos is that they are at once so conservatively designed and built AND so often innovative.  For example, the 126 was so much larger than the 123, but was designed to be so much more aerodynamic and fuel efficient.  That outlook seems to be mirrored by the fact that the German government trying to plan for a less polluting, more efficient energy future is the German CONSERVATIVE party's government. 
 
    Clearly, in Germany "conservative" means more about conserving values and resources for the entire society, with a long term, future oriented view.  Contrast that with the American meaning of "conservative" which seems to mean maximizing private interest and greed with an extremely short term view. 
 
    Perhaps that difference is why so many of us get so much pleasure out of driving 30, 40, and older years German cars, for which we can still get factory parts, while our neighbors with U.S. brand cars can't get parts after 10 years. 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2012 11:48:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, riker124@earthlink.net writes:
 




Your German renewable energy observations were off. 





On Jun 10, 2012, at 10:35 AM, audiolaw@aol.com wrote:

 

Brad: 
 
    What do you mean when you say that you don't want to start a political firestorm, and then follow that with the statement below? 
 
    There are PUBLIC RECORDS available that political activists pore over.  NONE of them has been able to document any number of teachers drawing $100K+ / year pensions. 
 
    If your political beliefs depend on intentionally false statements, how long before you are following candidates who tell you to believe that the world is flat? 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2012 5:23:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brad_macaboy1234@yahoo.com writes:
Here, we finance public obligations thru property taxation; a nice house like those found in mid level neighborhoods in CA would be from $5 to 15K/yr in property tax. I guess it is to be expected when retiring teachers and other civil servants receive  $100K+/yr pensions. 


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Hemp as an oil source.

 

Tony: 
 
    I think that the Germans are going to be very disappointed to learn that they don't have enough sunshine to be doing what they actually ARE doing.  Sort of like the old 'proof' that bumble bees can't actually fly with their tiny wings. 
 
    I think that your are correct about the corn-ethanol folks.  And about sugar.  One reason Brazil isn't suffering economically the way we are is their sugar fuel industry. 
 
    Of course, we put prohibitive tariffs on sugar, here in the U.S., forcing the price too high to import it for fuel.  We do this even while paying billions each year in direct subsidy payments to the sugar industry (helps keep lots of Florida Republican corporations happy).  If we ended the sugar tariffs and subsidies, we could see a dramatic increase in ag-fuel production, even while seeing BILLIONS in tax savings each year. 
 
    I wonder (no I don't) why the Tea Party Republicans who control both houses of Congress right now haven't introduced legislation to end such tariffs and subsidies. 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2012 11:27:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aldridgetony97@yahoo.com writes:
 

There is little to recommend trying to grow oil crops north of the Mason Dixon line, there just is not enough sunshine per square inch.
The corn oil/ethanol folks only survive because of subsidies. Alcohol is much cheaper if made from cane sugar, and veggie oil will be being made from algae in order to be economically viable. Hemp may be wonderful in all its guises but you have to get into the tropics to be able to use it as fuel.
Tony.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Mark Atkins <mratkins@...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys, check out hemp (industrial) as an alternative fuel source for
> our beloved rides. Hemp cannot be grown in the United States but can be
> in Canada and most other countries AND the products exported to our
> country. (Why do you suppose that is??) It can be processed into a
> superior biodiesel fuel, ethanol, many useful products such as clothing,
> etc., and is even a food (fuel) source for us! It really is an amazing
> plant.
>
> The cannabis variety is not what I am referring, however, it needs to be
> explored further in the medical community as a curative for some (many)
> diseases. (Wonder why it is not being?)
>
> Links and sources upon request.
>
> Mark in Texas
>
>
>
> On 6/10/2012 11:15 AM, Yahoo! Member Service wrote:
> >
> > please no Party bickering please.About the Benz,lets convince the
> > Pres. to make diesel fuel from coal
> >
> >
> > --- On *Sun, 6/10/12, briankk /<briankk@...>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: briankk <briankk@...>
> > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 11:06 AM
> >
> > So, after a couple of generations of "education" under disciples
> > of Bill Ayers, the electorate elects The One as president of the
> > United States.
> >
> > The One immediately attacks resource extraction, shuts down
> > drilling, promises to put big coal out of business. A few years
> > later, the electorate is looking for someone to blame for $4.50/ga
> > fuel, and deprived of mirrors, I guess, decides it's either the
> > fault of Evil George Bush, or the Tea Party.
> >
> > We are doomed....
> >
> > bk
> >
> > --- On *Sat, 6/9/12, audiolaw@... /<audiolaw@...>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: audiolaw@... <audiolaw@...>
> > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 6:18 PM
> >
> > Yeah! 2-4% is the best we can do with both wind and
> > solar, particularly here in So. Cal.
> > I saw a news story recently that Germany has actually
> > achieved *50%* of its energy needs from solar and other
> > alternative energy sources.
> > But Germany is so different from So. Cal.
> > For one thing, they're so much closer to the equator! So
> > they have so much more sunlight energy to work with.
> > And they pay their unionized workers much more than we pay
> > our unionized workers and MUCH MUCH more than we pay our
> > non-unionized workers (so they get workers actually
> > contributing ideas and thinking to products and processes).
> > And because all their children are actually EDUCATED in
> > public schools, instead of just being warehoused there,
> > INCLUDING the children of all the immigrant workers that come
> > to Germany for good jobs, they have much more intellectual
> > talent to draw on to improve their society.
> > And because their workers and workers' families all have
> > health care, they don't have people losing work or thinking
> > time waiting in line for medical attention, and they are
> > healthier overall and better able to think about innovative
> > energy development and usage.
> > But that's alright, as long as our industrial leaders keep
> > raking in profits (which they can park overseas) and our
> > middle class keeps having declining incomes (in real dollars)
> > it's just fine for us to be convinced that 2-4% is the best we
> > can do. That just proves that we are so much 'freer' than
> > those unlucky Germans. (Sigh - when will they ever learn to
> > make a decent car in that country?)
> > In a message dated 6/9/2012 6:03:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight
> > Time, brad_macaboy1234@... writes:
> >
> > Gas will be back around $2.50 in November, my prediction.
> >
> > I like the idea of wind and solar, but it can only produce
> > about 2-4% energy of our needs from what I understand.
> > Diesel and longer chain hydrocarbons are the energy source
> > for most large scale transpo. Natural gas is taking a
> > beating, now.
> >
> > --- On *Sat, 6/9/12, BStromsoe /<bstromsoe@...>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: BStromsoe <bstromsoe@...>
> > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com"
> > <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 2:34 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > It's i9n Venezuela. When I was there in 2003, it was
> > $0.30 per liter
> > brian from laverne, ca
> > Mary (195K) Martha (280K)
> > 1983 w123 300d's
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Nate <vwnate1@...>
> > *To:* diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:23 AM
> > *Subject:* [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> >
> >
> > I see where crude oil has dropped to $84 / barrel , so
> > where the crap is our $2.50 Fuel ? .
> >
> > When it was $5.00 / barrel , Diesel briefly jumped to
> > $5.00 / gallon in Cali.
> >
> > Just this morning I saw $3.79 / gallon branded Diesel
> > fuel , Gasoline is still $4.05 .
> >
> > -Nate
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
> > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5060 - Release Date: 06/10/12
> >
>
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