Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 

As a matter of fact, I read that Wicki, is it the tail spun by oil companies to FUD up the actual history. 

My perspective was pretty narrow, my interest was in how synthetic oil products affected race cars and airplanes, but I was quite able to see that in a few short months, synthetic products had near entirely replaced mineral oil products amongst the serious gearheads.

Then came the lawsuits..

bk

--- On Sat, 3/17/12, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices
To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012, 6:56 PM

 

I don't bet my life on Wicki, but they do provide good general overviews at times. The oil discussions pop up every 12 months or so. Check out the wicki article on Synthetic oils at  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil  for some historical perspective. I was intrigued by the word "sued" that popped up every now and then by "big" oil.
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: briankk <briankk@att.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 
Back when synthetic oil was becoming popular, it was actually  synthetic, i.e. PAO or glycol based, and was demonstrably so superior to dead dinos that gearheads started using it near exclusively, in spite of it's costing $7/qt, in '70s dollars.  I have stories about just how good this stuff was, I'll spare you the time...

Presently, the owners of holes in the ground noticed that this was a trend that could cost them dearly downstream, and started producing what are now called "synthetic hydrocarbons" by which the mean dead dino oil buried under a ton of advertising and lawyers, got the court to rule that "Synthetic" was a term or advertising art.

Now if you buy a can of oil marketed as "Synthetic" that will contain some kind of oily substance, but whether it actually contains synthetic oil depends on whether is says it's a PAO or glycol based oil.  Most aren't.

Harumph, harumph...

bk
 

--- On Sat, 3/17/12, Jerome Kimberlin <kimberln@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Jerome Kimberlin <kimberln@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012, 1:21 PM

 
On 3/17/2012 9:56 AM, max_stemple wrote:
> what is synthetic oil made from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

In any case, you have to have a base oil to start with in blending motor
oil. Across the street from my house is the Chevron Richmond Refinery.
Back when I was working there we began a small pilot plant to make base
oil at Chevron Research. This was then scaled up and called RLOP,
Richmond Lube Oil Project which produced a small amount of base oil
every day it ran. I did some environmental testing on that plant. The
plant finally got lined out and parameters solidified and the RLOP was
scaled up to a full sized plant.

Before I retired, the Chevron Lube oil plant was making the best base
oil in the USA. The product was sold to others who used it for their
oil offerings too. Can't tell you who buys it......... At the time I
retired, there were only a handful of base oil producers in the USA.

JerryK
Richmond, CA


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 

I don't bet my life on Wicki, but they do provide good general overviews at times. The oil discussions pop up every 12 months or so. Check out the wicki article on Synthetic oils at  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil  for some historical perspective. I was intrigued by the word "sued" that popped up every now and then by "big" oil.
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: briankk <briankk@att.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 
Back when synthetic oil was becoming popular, it was actually  synthetic, i.e. PAO or glycol based, and was demonstrably so superior to dead dinos that gearheads started using it near exclusively, in spite of it's costing $7/qt, in '70s dollars.  I have stories about just how good this stuff was, I'll spare you the time...

Presently, the owners of holes in the ground noticed that this was a trend that could cost them dearly downstream, and started producing what are now called "synthetic hydrocarbons" by which the mean dead dino oil buried under a ton of advertising and lawyers, got the court to rule that "Synthetic" was a term or advertising art.

Now if you buy a can of oil marketed as "Synthetic" that will contain some kind of oily substance, but whether it actually contains synthetic oil depends on whether is says it's a PAO or glycol based oil.  Most aren't.

Harumph, harumph...

bk
 

--- On Sat, 3/17/12, Jerome Kimberlin <kimberln@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Jerome Kimberlin <kimberln@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012, 1:21 PM

 
On 3/17/2012 9:56 AM, max_stemple wrote:
> what is synthetic oil made from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

In any case, you have to have a base oil to start with in blending motor
oil. Across the street from my house is the Chevron Richmond Refinery.
Back when I was working there we began a small pilot plant to make base
oil at Chevron Research. This was then scaled up and called RLOP,
Richmond Lube Oil Project which produced a small amount of base oil
every day it ran. I did some environmental testing on that plant. The
plant finally got lined out and parameters solidified and the RLOP was
scaled up to a full sized plant.

Before I retired, the Chevron Lube oil plant was making the best base
oil in the USA. The product was sold to others who used it for their
oil offerings too. Can't tell you who buys it......... At the time I
retired, there were only a handful of base oil producers in the USA.

JerryK
Richmond, CA


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 

Back when synthetic oil was becoming popular, it was actually  synthetic, i.e. PAO or glycol based, and was demonstrably so superior to dead dinos that gearheads started using it near exclusively, in spite of it's costing $7/qt, in '70s dollars.  I have stories about just how good this stuff was, I'll spare you the time...

Presently, the owners of holes in the ground noticed that this was a trend that could cost them dearly downstream, and started producing what are now called "synthetic hydrocarbons" by which the mean dead dino oil buried under a ton of advertising and lawyers, got the court to rule that "Synthetic" was a term or advertising art.

Now if you buy a can of oil marketed as "Synthetic" that will contain some kind of oily substance, but whether it actually contains synthetic oil depends on whether is says it's a PAO or glycol based oil.  Most aren't.

Harumph, harumph...

bk
 

--- On Sat, 3/17/12, Jerome Kimberlin <kimberln@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Jerome Kimberlin <kimberln@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012, 1:21 PM

 

On 3/17/2012 9:56 AM, max_stemple wrote:
> what is synthetic oil made from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

In any case, you have to have a base oil to start with in blending motor
oil. Across the street from my house is the Chevron Richmond Refinery.
Back when I was working there we began a small pilot plant to make base
oil at Chevron Research. This was then scaled up and called RLOP,
Richmond Lube Oil Project which produced a small amount of base oil
every day it ran. I did some environmental testing on that plant. The
plant finally got lined out and parameters solidified and the RLOP was
scaled up to a full sized plant.

Before I retired, the Chevron Lube oil plant was making the best base
oil in the USA. The product was sold to others who used it for their
oil offerings too. Can't tell you who buys it......... At the time I
retired, there were only a handful of base oil producers in the USA.

JerryK
Richmond, CA

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 

On 3/17/2012 9:56 AM, max_stemple wrote:
> what is synthetic oil made from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

In any case, you have to have a base oil to start with in blending motor
oil. Across the street from my house is the Chevron Richmond Refinery.
Back when I was working there we began a small pilot plant to make base
oil at Chevron Research. This was then scaled up and called RLOP,
Richmond Lube Oil Project which produced a small amount of base oil
every day it ran. I did some environmental testing on that plant. The
plant finally got lined out and parameters solidified and the RLOP was
scaled up to a full sized plant.

Before I retired, the Chevron Lube oil plant was making the best base
oil in the USA. The product was sold to others who used it for their
oil offerings too. Can't tell you who buys it......... At the time I
retired, there were only a handful of base oil producers in the USA.

JerryK
Richmond, CA

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 

they burn the oil in tugboats.


--- On Sat, 3/17/12, Mark in Lakewood, CO <beeser750@q.com> wrote:

From: Mark in Lakewood, CO <beeser750@q.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices
To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012, 11:43 AM

 
You got it, Carmine!  Also, the extended (or NO) drain interval cuts down on the amount of used oil introduced to the environment.

Mark in Lakewood, CO
From: "Carmine" <drnickv@sbcglobal.net>
To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:08:25 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 
You guys all like to work way too hard. I use amsoil full synthetic. SAE 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil -Product Code: AMEQT-EA.
I run it for 15,000 miles(or 1 year which ever is sooner) and change the filter every 5 thousand. Cuts down on labor, increases fuel mileage and cuts down on foreign oil dependence.

Think that is crazy, I ran my 2002 GMC 2500HD duramax for 100K without changing the oil. Just changed filters once per year. Sent in oil analysis every 6 months. Reports said OK to continue using it. Checked out fine untill 100K. Then finally had to change the oil.

I will never send a dime to middle east for oil again. Fuel but never oil. PS, I run 100% biodiesel so I do not send them any for that either.

Dr. Nick - self proclaimed motor head and Amsoil dealer.
1984 300D, 2002 Duramax diesel
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> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@> wrote:
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> > So what oil does everyone recommend?
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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 


what is synthetic oil made from? Max

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Mark in Lakewood, CO" <beeser750@...> wrote:
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> You got it, Carmine! Also, the extended (or NO) drain interval cuts down on the amount of used oil introduced to the environment.
>
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> M

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You got it, Carmine!  Also, the extended (or NO) drain interval cuts down on the amount of used oil introduced to the environment.

Mark in Lakewood, CO
From: "Carmine" <drnickv@sbcglobal.net>
To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:08:25 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 

You guys all like to work way too hard. I use amsoil full synthetic. SAE 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil -Product Code: AMEQT-EA.
I run it for 15,000 miles(or 1 year which ever is sooner) and change the filter every 5 thousand. Cuts down on labor, increases fuel mileage and cuts down on foreign oil dependence.

Think that is crazy, I ran my 2002 GMC 2500HD duramax for 100K without changing the oil. Just changed filters once per year. Sent in oil analysis every 6 months. Reports said OK to continue using it. Checked out fine untill 100K. Then finally had to change the oil.

I will never send a dime to middle east for oil again. Fuel but never oil. PS, I run 100% biodiesel so I do not send them any for that either.

Dr. Nick - self proclaimed motor head and Amsoil dealer.
1984 300D, 2002 Duramax diesel
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@> wrote:
> >
> > So what oil does everyone recommend?
>

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I heard all our oil comes from Canada.Its the Middle East which sets the price.

--- On Sat, 3/17/12, Carmine <drnickv@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Carmine <drnickv@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012, 11:08 AM

 
You guys all like to work way too hard. I use amsoil full synthetic. SAE 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil -Product Code: AMEQT-EA.
I run it for 15,000 miles(or 1 year which ever is sooner) and change the filter every 5 thousand. Cuts down on labor, increases fuel mileage and cuts down on foreign oil dependence.

Think that is crazy, I ran my 2002 GMC 2500HD duramax for 100K without changing the oil. Just changed filters once per year. Sent in oil analysis every 6 months. Reports said OK to continue using it. Checked out fine untill 100K. Then finally had to change the oil.

I will never send a dime to middle east for oil again. Fuel but never oil. PS, I run 100% biodiesel so I do not send them any for that either.

Dr. Nick - self proclaimed motor head and Amsoil dealer.
1984 300D, 2002 Duramax diesel
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@> wrote:
> >
> > So what oil does everyone recommend?
>

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You guys all like to work way too hard. I use amsoil full synthetic. SAE 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil -Product Code: AMEQT-EA.
I run it for 15,000 miles(or 1 year which ever is sooner) and change the filter every 5 thousand. Cuts down on labor, increases fuel mileage and cuts down on foreign oil dependence.

Think that is crazy, I ran my 2002 GMC 2500HD duramax for 100K without changing the oil. Just changed filters once per year. Sent in oil analysis every 6 months. Reports said OK to continue using it. Checked out fine untill 100K. Then finally had to change the oil.

I will never send a dime to middle east for oil again. Fuel but never oil. PS, I run 100% biodiesel so I do not send them any for that either.

Dr. Nick - self proclaimed motor head and Amsoil dealer.
1984 300D, 2002 Duramax diesel
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@> wrote:
> >
> > So what oil does everyone recommend?
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 

Best:

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ame.aspx

Mark in Lakewood, CO

From: "n61cm" <jim@tazwade.com>
To: "diesel mercedes" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:29:36 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices

 

Cheapest.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@...> wrote:
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> So what oil does everyone recommend?

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to be honest I go with whats on sale,and also use Wal Mart brand Super Tech.


--- On Sat, 3/17/12, n61cm <jim@tazwade.com> wrote:

From: n61cm <jim@tazwade.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil choices
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012, 10:29 AM

 
Cheapest.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@...> wrote:
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> So what oil does everyone recommend?

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Cheapest.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Trish Dougherty <purrfectharmonyfarm@...> wrote:
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> So what oil does everyone recommend?

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