Re: [diesel_mercedes] Rear Axle Service

 

Well, there's NO torque tube nor DeDion rear axle.  It's the old Mercedes "Swing Axle" that uses an exposed drive line from the transmission to the ring and pinion assembly.  It has a u-joint in the middle and a center, carrier bearing, and is not much different than what the w114/115 and later cars used (from about 1968 on).  The real difference is that instead of a the ring and pinion assembly being mounted on the frame, with two cv-style axles going out to the wheels, this old system has the ring and pinion attached to a mount that pivots at the frame, and a second pivot that splits the otherwise solid rear axle housing into two.  The axle that's inside of the housing side that's not mounted with the ring and pinion has a constant velocity joint.  This allows for "independent rear suspension", sort of.  There's a hefty coil spring that tries to push the two axle housings away from each other.  (On the higher priced cars, the w108, w111/112 and SLs, this spring was replaced by a hydro elastic damper which would compensate for loads to keep the car level.  Elegant in it's simplicity, and an advantage over the later, fully independent rear axle system, but that hydro elastic unit is big $$$$$ to replace!)  It's a lot easier to explain using pictures rather than words alone.

The upshot is that the axle bearings are not that much different to replace than on any old American car or light truck with a live, solid rear axle.  The two axles are pulled using a slide hammer, the old bearings are pushed (or cut) off, and the new bearings are pressed on.

Mark


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Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Rear Axle Service

 



Hi Dexter ;

First , you must put the chassis designation in the header box _every_time_ so those who just skim , but know , will stop and read , maybe be able to offer help .

Next : which particular bearing is bad ? there's a bunch in there , if just a wheel bearing I suggest replacing both and the attendand oil seals .

If a pinion or ring gear bearing , I suggest getting another entire used rear end , re sealing it and then install , drive way happy .

Torque Tube final drives are very sturdy and long lived . if it's failing , one needs to know why before doing more than wheel bearing service to it .

I hope this helps you to proceed .

-Nate
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My 67 Mercedes 200d has bad rear bearings. The rear axle is honestly weird and I'm not confident enough to tear in yet. From what I can tell it has a torque tube and design based on a De Dion axle. Does anyone have any experience with these?

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] W-123 Sway Bar Bushings

 

Nate,

Enough detail to complete the front sway bar bushings without extra hassle.
What has to be removed?
Any other things to know?
Pics are good.

Thanks

Rob
'85 300D
Garden Grove, CA
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Done .

Whew ! not for the weak .

How much detail do you want Rob ? .

I took some pix as I went along .

It drives nice again , no more squeak / klunk .

-Nate

      Rob   wrote :

Nate,

let us know how it goes with the sway bar bushings. I need to do that too on the front.

Rob
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I'm just waiting for a bit more sunrise before going back to attack this again .

I was inspecting the four new round sway bar to control arm bushings and noticed they have 116 part numbers .


I've been taking pictures as I go along , it turns out this job isn't nearly as bad as I initially thought .


-Nate



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[diesel_mercedes] Glow Plugs [2 Attachments]

 
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O.K. , my Brother Tom reminded me to not go off half cocked and to TEST THINGS before mindlessly throwing parts at it...

So , as the oil hot oil was draining out , I took the GP relay's cover off and tested for current and good connection of the strip fuse , every thing was O.K. there so I unplugged the sub harness and used my test lamp to do continuity tests , # 3 and 4 plugs were open circuit , meaning dead .


Yes , there's a specific ohms test but in general , either they're good or not and a simple test will reveal what you need to know .


I had some spare tested glow plugs lying about for Tom's '81 300SD , installed them into my 240D and repaired a bad ring terminal using field method (photos) . I used the old ring terminal off the end of the wire as a gusseting washer , added  another washer to the other side of the new twisted wire and buttoned it back up , it now starts easily , very little cranking .


I  cleaned up and drove to the junkyard with *almost* enough tools to easily remove glow plugs , forgetting the 17MM ATF open end wrench to remove the injector pipes , oops .


Luckily I have medium size hands and lots of experience getting them into tight places , I found _one_ car with all five glow plugs in it , none of the other cars in the yard had a relay .


By the time I got home it was 20 past noon and I'd just missed Tom , I passed out in my recliner for an hour before SWMBO called and asked me to come down .


It's Monday now and I'm still beat .


-Nate

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[diesel_mercedes] Glow Plug Relay Modification

 


Thanx lawrence ;

This is typically done using a ' Ford relay ' .

As it's my Lady's  car I cannot do this to iot .

More to come .

-Nate
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You could just make a manual glow plug relay.  I uploaded pictures and instructions years ago.  Very nice when running vegetable oil.  Very inexpensive and dependable.  Just a relay, momentarily switch and hooking it to the right wire to make the glow light turn on so you know it's working.  Lawrence Rhodes

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[diesel_mercedes] Rear Axle Service

 



Hi Dexter ;

First , you must put the chassis designation in the header box _every_time_ so those who just skim , but know , will stop and read , maybe be able to offer help .

Next : which particular bearing is bad ? there's a bunch in there , if just a wheel bearing I suggest replacing both and the attendand oil seals .

If a pinion or ring gear bearing , I suggest getting another entire used rear end , re sealing it and then install , drive way happy .

Torque Tube final drives are very sturdy and long lived . if it's failing , one needs to know why before doing more than wheel bearing service to it .

I hope this helps you to proceed .

-Nate
      Dexter  wrote :

My 67 Mercedes 200d has bad rear bearings. The rear axle is honestly weird and I'm not confident enough to tear in yet. From what I can tell it has a torque tube and design based on a De Dion axle. Does anyone have any experience with these?

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[diesel_mercedes] W-123 Sway Bar Bushings

 


Done .

Whew ! not for the weak .

How much detail do you want Rob ? .

I took some pix as I went along .

It drives nice again , no more squeak / klunk .

-Nate

      Rob   wrote :

Nate,

let us know how it goes with the sway bar bushings. I need to do that too on the front.

Rob
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I'm just waiting for a bit more sunrise before going back to attack this again .

I was inspecting the four new round sway bar to control arm bushings and noticed they have 116 part numbers .


I've been taking pictures as I go along , it turns out this job isn't nearly as bad as I initially thought .


-Nate


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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Two Steps Forward , One Step Back

 

You could just make a manual glow plug relay.  I uploaded pictures and instructions years ago.  Very nice when running vegetable oil.  Very inexpensive and dependable.  Just a relay, momentarily switch and hooking it to the right wire to make the glow light turn on so you know it's working.  Lawrence Rhodes

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Two Steps Forward , One Step Back

 

Same thing happened to me last week in my wifes 300d (she is in Alaska). Ordered new glow plugs which should arrive today. Think I have one or two relays stashed in my clutter box.

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