RE: Re: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting

 

 Max we gonna have to leave you to look after things up here, South Wed. Picked the last tomatos two days ago. Gonna flash up the coach & put er away.

Dunno what they do now, but back in the 60's winter diesel was just diesel with up to 25% gasoline added. One outfit I worked for in the bush, kept a guy on night shift who just kept the machines warm in -30 weather..



---In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Gezzzzzzzzzzzzzz, I just picked the last of my tomatoes. Max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:52 AM, <aldridgetony97@...> wrote:


 Tried to open the car door this morning, frozen shut, all four doors the handles would not move. It was rainy all day yesterday, then froze. Got out the heat gun & gently warmed the area around the handle, 5 mins and open saysme. Car started right up, likes to have about 1/2 inch of go pedal when cold.

Wed we head for warmth.

Tony



---In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Well I am here in cold Detroit. Hoping to have a gel free winter. Mike.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



From: Max temple <jasperezra@...>;
To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting
Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 4:12:58 PM

 
Well, I'm guessing you'r not in LA. But I guess there are lots of "fringe" areas. I guess maybe if your not sure and going some wheres, where it's cold, then it would be best to put some winterizing stuff in the tank. One thing for sure, it needs to go in before the problem happens. Max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Michael E. Williams <attymw@...> wrote:


Last year I did have to get towed when it went below 10 and I had what I thought was winterized diesel.  I wonder if it is always winterized at every pump or if they cut corners to save costs.

Warmed it up in the garage and it started.
 Mike


From: Max temple <jasperezra@...>

To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting

 
Why the white bottle? I live where it gets -20 and I dont need the white bottle. I use the silver bottle because it boosts cetane more. I think the white bottle has anti-jelling stuff in it. If you guys down there really need that, then we are all doomed anyway. If ya live where it gets cold, the diesel fuel at the pumps, in winter is "winterized diesel", up here it's usually formulated to -20 or there about. And you dont need winter diesel till it starts getting real cold. Max


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:45 PM, <attymw@...> wrote:


I am going to get that white bottle.  Thanks for taking the time to write this I appreciate it.

Mike.
 


---In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Michael ;
 
If it takes three tries to start your old Mercedes Diesel , first , you're not following the proper cold start regimine ~ wait for the glow plug warning lamp to go out then hold the key & crank it until the engine not only starts but begins to accelerate and runs on all 5 cylinders , some engines want the pedal floored , others want partial throttle . experiment and -HOLD- the throttle still while you're cranking and after it starts until it fires on all 5 cylinders and speeds up .
 
Pumping the throttle never , _EVER_helps  it makes the engine harder to start .
 
 
 Secondly : the battery is fine else it'd quit during the second try . 
 
Don't forget to buy a bottle of Power Service Diesel Kleen in the WHITE bottle ~ white for Winter , Silver for Summer .
 
Add 3 ~ 5 Oz. to each full tank of fuel .
 
Look under the hood , there's a clear (maybe translucent if you have a bad Mechanic) plastic fuel screen typ filter between the steel fuel pipe and the engine ~ if it's black inside , go buy two new ones and replace one right now , this helps fuel flow and so cold starting and overall running performance . place the second primary filter in the glove box , you'll prolly need it before next March .
 
Now is also a good time to do or have done , a valve adjustment as tight valves (they're silent) cause hard starting .
 
-Nate
       Michael Wrote :
well it only does it on the 3rd try when starting in the cold.  Maybe the battery is too low at this point. Also I don't have the proper battery with the proper cold cranking amps..
 
 











__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (19)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

Re: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting

 

Gezzzzzzzzzzzzzz, I just picked the last of my tomatoes. Max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:52 AM, <aldridgetony97@yahoo.com> wrote:


 Tried to open the car door this morning, frozen shut, all four doors the handles would not move. It was rainy all day yesterday, then froze. Got out the heat gun & gently warmed the area around the handle, 5 mins and open saysme. Car started right up, likes to have about 1/2 inch of go pedal when cold.

Wed we head for warmth.

Tony



---In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Well I am here in cold Detroit. Hoping to have a gel free winter. Mike.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



From: Max temple <jasperezra@...>;
To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting
Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 4:12:58 PM

 
Well, I'm guessing you'r not in LA. But I guess there are lots of "fringe" areas. I guess maybe if your not sure and going some wheres, where it's cold, then it would be best to put some winterizing stuff in the tank. One thing for sure, it needs to go in before the problem happens. Max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Michael E. Williams <attymw@...> wrote:


Last year I did have to get towed when it went below 10 and I had what I thought was winterized diesel.  I wonder if it is always winterized at every pump or if they cut corners to save costs.

Warmed it up in the garage and it started.
 Mike


From: Max temple <jasperezra@...>

To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting

 
Why the white bottle? I live where it gets -20 and I dont need the white bottle. I use the silver bottle because it boosts cetane more. I think the white bottle has anti-jelling stuff in it. If you guys down there really need that, then we are all doomed anyway. If ya live where it gets cold, the diesel fuel at the pumps, in winter is "winterized diesel", up here it's usually formulated to -20 or there about. And you dont need winter diesel till it starts getting real cold. Max


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:45 PM, <attymw@...> wrote:


I am going to get that white bottle.  Thanks for taking the time to write this I appreciate it.

Mike.
 


---In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Michael ;
 
If it takes three tries to start your old Mercedes Diesel , first , you're not following the proper cold start regimine ~ wait for the glow plug warning lamp to go out then hold the key & crank it until the engine not only starts but begins to accelerate and runs on all 5 cylinders , some engines want the pedal floored , others want partial throttle . experiment and -HOLD- the throttle still while you're cranking and after it starts until it fires on all 5 cylinders and speeds up .
 
Pumping the throttle never , _EVER_helps  it makes the engine harder to start .
 
 
 Secondly : the battery is fine else it'd quit during the second try . 
 
Don't forget to buy a bottle of Power Service Diesel Kleen in the WHITE bottle ~ white for Winter , Silver for Summer .
 
Add 3 ~ 5 Oz. to each full tank of fuel .
 
Look under the hood , there's a clear (maybe translucent if you have a bad Mechanic) plastic fuel screen typ filter between the steel fuel pipe and the engine ~ if it's black inside , go buy two new ones and replace one right now , this helps fuel flow and so cold starting and overall running performance . place the second primary filter in the glove box , you'll prolly need it before next March .
 
Now is also a good time to do or have done , a valve adjustment as tight valves (they're silent) cause hard starting .
 
-Nate
       Michael Wrote :
well it only does it on the 3rd try when starting in the cold.  Maybe the battery is too low at this point. Also I don't have the proper battery with the proper cold cranking amps..
 
 











__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (18)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[diesel_mercedes] Highly volatile petroleum products to clean and get the bubbles out.

 

When changing filters I always add some diesel kleen or purge to the filter to top it off.  What is the best thing to do to do a mini purge?  That is what product is best for cleaning out the tubes.  Granted its about a half pint in the secondary but I can get a quart into my other pre filter.  Lawrence Rhodes..

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

RE: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting

 

 Tried to open the car door this morning, frozen shut, all four doors the handles would not move. It was rainy all day yesterday, then froze. Got out the heat gun & gently warmed the area around the handle, 5 mins and open saysme. Car started right up, likes to have about 1/2 inch of go pedal when cold.

Wed we head for warmth.

Tony



---In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Well I am here in cold Detroit. Hoping to have a gel free winter. Mike.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



From: Max temple <jasperezra@...>;
To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting
Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 4:12:58 PM

 
Well, I'm guessing you'r not in LA. But I guess there are lots of "fringe" areas. I guess maybe if your not sure and going some wheres, where it's cold, then it would be best to put some winterizing stuff in the tank. One thing for sure, it needs to go in before the problem happens. Max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Michael E. Williams <attymw@...> wrote:


Last year I did have to get towed when it went below 10 and I had what I thought was winterized diesel.  I wonder if it is always winterized at every pump or if they cut corners to save costs.

Warmed it up in the garage and it started.
 Mike


From: Max temple <jasperezra@...>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting

 
Why the white bottle? I live where it gets -20 and I dont need the white bottle. I use the silver bottle because it boosts cetane more. I think the white bottle has anti-jelling stuff in it. If you guys down there really need that, then we are all doomed anyway. If ya live where it gets cold, the diesel fuel at the pumps, in winter is "winterized diesel", up here it's usually formulated to -20 or there about. And you dont need winter diesel till it starts getting real cold. Max


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:45 PM, <attymw@...> wrote:


I am going to get that white bottle.  Thanks for taking the time to write this I appreciate it.

Mike.
 


---In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Michael ;
 
If it takes three tries to start your old Mercedes Diesel , first , you're not following the proper cold start regimine ~ wait for the glow plug warning lamp to go out then hold the key & crank it until the engine not only starts but begins to accelerate and runs on all 5 cylinders , some engines want the pedal floored , others want partial throttle . experiment and -HOLD- the throttle still while you're cranking and after it starts until it fires on all 5 cylinders and speeds up .
 
Pumping the throttle never , _EVER_helps  it makes the engine harder to start .
 
 
 Secondly : the battery is fine else it'd quit during the second try . 
 
Don't forget to buy a bottle of Power Service Diesel Kleen in the WHITE bottle ~ white for Winter , Silver for Summer .
 
Add 3 ~ 5 Oz. to each full tank of fuel .
 
Look under the hood , there's a clear (maybe translucent if you have a bad Mechanic) plastic fuel screen typ filter between the steel fuel pipe and the engine ~ if it's black inside , go buy two new ones and replace one right now , this helps fuel flow and so cold starting and overall running performance . place the second primary filter in the glove box , you'll prolly need it before next March .
 
Now is also a good time to do or have done , a valve adjustment as tight valves (they're silent) cause hard starting .
 
-Nate
       Michael Wrote :
well it only does it on the 3rd try when starting in the cold.  Maybe the battery is too low at this point. Also I don't have the proper battery with the proper cold cranking amps..
 
 








__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (17)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting

 

Well I am here in cold Detroit. Hoping to have a gel free winter. Mike.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



From: Max temple <jasperezra@gmail.com>;
To: <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting
Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 4:12:58 PM

 

Well, I'm guessing you'r not in LA. But I guess there are lots of "fringe" areas. I guess maybe if your not sure and going some wheres, where it's cold, then it would be best to put some winterizing stuff in the tank. One thing for sure, it needs to go in before the problem happens. Max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Michael E. Williams <attymw@yahoo.com> wrote:


Last year I did have to get towed when it went below 10 and I had what I thought was winterized diesel.  I wonder if it is always winterized at every pump or if they cut corners to save costs.

Warmed it up in the garage and it started.
 Mike


From: Max temple <jasperezra@gmail.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] RE: Cold Starting

 
Why the white bottle? I live where it gets -20 and I dont need the white bottle. I use the silver bottle because it boosts cetane more. I think the white bottle has anti-jelling stuff in it. If you guys down there really need that, then we are all doomed anyway. If ya live where it gets cold, the diesel fuel at the pumps, in winter is "winterized diesel", up here it's usually formulated to -20 or there about. And you dont need winter diesel till it starts getting real cold. Max


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:45 PM, <attymw@yahoo.com> wrote:


I am going to get that white bottle.  Thanks for taking the time to write this I appreciate it.

Mike.
 


---In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Michael ;
 
If it takes three tries to start your old Mercedes Diesel , first , you're not following the proper cold start regimine ~ wait for the glow plug warning lamp to go out then hold the key & crank it until the engine not only starts but begins to accelerate and runs on all 5 cylinders , some engines want the pedal floored , others want partial throttle . experiment and -HOLD- the throttle still while you're cranking and after it starts until it fires on all 5 cylinders and speeds up .
 
Pumping the throttle never , _EVER_helps  it makes the engine harder to start .
 
 
 Secondly : the battery is fine else it'd quit during the second try . 
 
Don't forget to buy a bottle of Power Service Diesel Kleen in the WHITE bottle ~ white for Winter , Silver for Summer .
 
Add 3 ~ 5 Oz. to each full tank of fuel .
 
Look under the hood , there's a clear (maybe translucent if you have a bad Mechanic) plastic fuel screen typ filter between the steel fuel pipe and the engine ~ if it's black inside , go buy two new ones and replace one right now , this helps fuel flow and so cold starting and overall running performance . place the second primary filter in the glove box , you'll prolly need it before next March .
 
Now is also a good time to do or have done , a valve adjustment as tight valves (they're silent) cause hard starting .
 
-Nate
       Michael Wrote :
well it only does it on the 3rd try when starting in the cold.  Maybe the battery is too low at this point. Also I don't have the proper battery with the proper cold cranking amps..
 
 








__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (16)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

RE: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Engine Oil Cooler?

 

Thank you guys I feel better now.  Didn't want to drive w/o trans fluid yikes.

 



---In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

OOOOOOOOOOOOO, trans, right. My 4-spd. has no trans cooler, but has the engine oil cooler. max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Max temple <jasperezra@...> wrote:
Well, remember my 1981 240D with the 4-spd. has the engine oil cooler. Max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Ygmir Tunn <ygmir111@...> wrote:


I'll go look Max. But he said it's a manual trans, IIRC. If so, I don't think there'd be any pump or provision for cooling trans fluid.
Could be an auto trans radiator, and someone plumbed engine oil through, too.

Henry



On 10/28/2013 9:06 AM, Max temple wrote:
 
Hey Henry, does your 72 have a engine oil cooler, like on the newer ones? It sounds to me like this guy drained the AT "cooler", the part on the bottom of the radiator. Which if so should not of been black like engine oil, unless it's hooked up to the engine oil. Max





On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Ygmir Tunn <ygmir111@...> wrote:


I have a 72 220D and don't know of a trans cooler. I'd say you drained engine oil.

You want another? I have no use, and will not ever get around to, fixing mine (cracked head)

Henry



On 10/28/2013 8:28 AM, Max temple wrote:
 
Remember all Mercedes with manual take ATF in the trans.  But I have no idea what you did. max


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, <attymw@...> wrote:


Hi everyone,

I just changed my in my 71 220D.  There is a plug under the radiator (on the driver's side) that I think is to the engine oil cooler and that I drained black fluid that looks like diesel oil.

Does anyone know if that is to the engine oil cooler?  Or did I maybe drain my manual trans fluid or something else?

I just don't want to go driving around until I know.

Thank you all so much.

Mike











__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (11)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

Re: [diesel_mercedes] Engine Oil Cooler?

 

OOOOOOOOOOOOO, trans, right. My 4-spd. has no trans cooler, but has the engine oil cooler. max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Max temple <jasperezra@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, remember my 1981 240D with the 4-spd. has the engine oil cooler. Max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Ygmir Tunn <ygmir111@att.net> wrote:


I'll go look Max. But he said it's a manual trans, IIRC. If so, I don't think there'd be any pump or provision for cooling trans fluid.
Could be an auto trans radiator, and someone plumbed engine oil through, too.

Henry



On 10/28/2013 9:06 AM, Max temple wrote:
 
Hey Henry, does your 72 have a engine oil cooler, like on the newer ones? It sounds to me like this guy drained the AT "cooler", the part on the bottom of the radiator. Which if so should not of been black like engine oil, unless it's hooked up to the engine oil. Max





On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Ygmir Tunn <ygmir111@att.net> wrote:


I have a 72 220D and don't know of a trans cooler. I'd say you drained engine oil.

You want another? I have no use, and will not ever get around to, fixing mine (cracked head)

Henry



On 10/28/2013 8:28 AM, Max temple wrote:
 
Remember all Mercedes with manual take ATF in the trans.  But I have no idea what you did. max


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, <attymw@yahoo.com> wrote:


Hi everyone,

I just changed my in my 71 220D.  There is a plug under the radiator (on the driver's side) that I think is to the engine oil cooler and that I drained black fluid that looks like diesel oil.

Does anyone know if that is to the engine oil cooler?  Or did I maybe drain my manual trans fluid or something else?

I just don't want to go driving around until I know.

Thank you all so much.

Mike











__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (10)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

Re: [diesel_mercedes] Engine Oil Cooler?

 

Well, remember my 1981 240D with the 4-spd. has the engine oil cooler. Max


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Ygmir Tunn <ygmir111@att.net> wrote:


I'll go look Max. But he said it's a manual trans, IIRC. If so, I don't think there'd be any pump or provision for cooling trans fluid.
Could be an auto trans radiator, and someone plumbed engine oil through, too.

Henry



On 10/28/2013 9:06 AM, Max temple wrote:
 
Hey Henry, does your 72 have a engine oil cooler, like on the newer ones? It sounds to me like this guy drained the AT "cooler", the part on the bottom of the radiator. Which if so should not of been black like engine oil, unless it's hooked up to the engine oil. Max





On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Ygmir Tunn <ygmir111@att.net> wrote:


I have a 72 220D and don't know of a trans cooler. I'd say you drained engine oil.

You want another? I have no use, and will not ever get around to, fixing mine (cracked head)

Henry



On 10/28/2013 8:28 AM, Max temple wrote:
 
Remember all Mercedes with manual take ATF in the trans.  But I have no idea what you did. max


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, <attymw@yahoo.com> wrote:


Hi everyone,

I just changed my in my 71 220D.  There is a plug under the radiator (on the driver's side) that I think is to the engine oil cooler and that I drained black fluid that looks like diesel oil.

Does anyone know if that is to the engine oil cooler?  Or did I maybe drain my manual trans fluid or something else?

I just don't want to go driving around until I know.

Thank you all so much.

Mike










__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (9)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___