[diesel_mercedes] Almost have ignition out.

 

I got the tumbler out.  Took off the two electrical connections.  Some how used a screwdriver to again release the wheel lock. (that was very hard) Seems the springy thing in the center has something to do with it.  Loosened the 10mm nut holding the band that holds the ignition lock in.  It's loose but the ignition won;t come out.  Any secret to getting it out once it's unlocked.  I was told it should just fall apart.  I have the vacuum hoses off.  I can hold it in my hand. What now? Is it a particular lock/key position?  Lawrence Rhodes

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] 77 mercedes 240d question

can you tie a noose?


Henry



On 7/23/2013 1:20 PM, mirakelworkre wrote:
> I have a great running 77 Mercedes 240D engine I want to put into a
> small front wheel drive motorhome. Is there a front wheel drive mercedes
> auto or straight drive stick tranny that will bolt to this engine
> without having to re-invent the wheel?
>
>


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines

 

I didn't intend to start a debate, but its more than what you can see in the oil. Clear does not mean best. Most older diesels are tough enough you can do whatever you want. Get any oil you want, strain through some jeans, run 24/7, start and stop on it, etc., and you still may get 200,000 this way. Then again, you may not. My post was to simply dispute the "WVO will kill a motor" claims, or decrease the number of miles the motor could have given you. The better you do it, the more miles you likely get. Just like with any other car maintenance.

For anyone interested, (I was interested), there is a lot of physics that go into this. Just like not changing oil every 2,500 miles 40 years ago would likely decrease engine life due to sludge, etc.  Oil technology has improved to the point they are now recommending 5,000 to 7,500, and more on synthetic.

One example;

Common physics proves that when your heat exchanger in your veg tank (mine just a trans cooler attached to heater hoses) gets veg up to 180 (or near whatever your engine coolant temp is) the constant heating and then cooling down when you turn engine off, causes moisture build up in your "clean, settled, de-moistured, or centrifuged" veg again. For this reason I have a 6 gal boat tank as the veg tank. At around 25 miles per gal, I carry 1 extra 5 gal container and refill every other day. Not that many heat up and cool downs before the 6 gal is gone. No 15 or 20 gal tank to linger and collect moisture. Plus, my 5 micron filter near the engine is rated to trap moisture. I have taken longer trips with 3 or 4, 5 gal plastic gas tanks with me. Stopping every 150 miles to refill the tank didn't kill me. 

The decrease in engine life is mainly due to moisture and "stuff" in the oil that does not burn clean, thus causes "coking" or carbon build up. This freezes the rings in place which then scores cylinder walls, then comes the blow by. Similar issues with bearings, etc. i know I'm preaching to the choir. you can take crystal clear veg, add various chemicals like mineral spirits, turpentine, etc., and that will bind to some of that "invisible stuff" and settle to the bottom of the jar. Then ask yourself "where did that stuff come from".

Best way to avoid this as much as possible is "good veg", no moisture, and as much "bad stuff" filtered as possible, and that's not always what you can "see". I have been studying this stuff for 10 years and the one thing I'm certain of is a million people have a thousand different ways and spend countless hours debating such.  My way with the cent is fairly quick, simple, reasonably backed by science, and most importantly, works for me. Just thought I would share.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Boyd Wright <bgthegreat@verizon.net> wrote:

 

I use coffee filters and denim cold.  Have a solar holding tank.  No problems here.
 
Boyd

From: Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net>
To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:09 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines
 
Now Mike has a real great setup but he is doing one thing wrong.  To speed things up he heats the oil...WRONG.  The problem with heating the oil is more "stuff" gets through.  I've had many a settled highly heated and refined five gallon jug of oil have silt on the bottom.  Heating while filtering allows more through the filter media.  I cold filter through denim.  I get very little silting after letting filtered oil sit.  If I worry about water I just don't use it.  Settling gets rid of most of the water.  My oil looks crystal clear.  If it's foggy I just don't use it or much of it.  Lawrence Rhodes........ Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines    Posted by: "Mike Glavin" magconsulting2@yahoo.com magconsulting2    Date: Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:58 am ((PDT))I too have run veg oil and believe it to be as good as diesel if done right. Mine is run through a centrifuge that claims to filter out particles less than a micron. Regular oil filters are only about 25 microns. It has an engine coolant heat exchanger in the spare tank in the trunk  and a electric heated 5 micron filter before it enters the injectors. I start on diesel and don't switch over until engine coolant is at full temp. About a minute or so before I get to where I'm going, I switch back to diesel to flush the injectors. The 82 300D runs better on veg than diesel. Probably because the cetane level in veg is generally better than diesel. My cost is what ever I pay for the veg and electric for a 2 hour run of a 1/2 hp elect motor and single water heater element per 55 gallons cleaned. Centrifuge is mounted on top on 55 gal barrel. Veg is pumped from the bottom into the cent at 90 psi via the motor. Heating element is inserted into the side of drum with a similar threaded port as a water heater. I have it on a 220 cable that plugs into my dryer outlet. I pick up the veg. Pour through a strainer as I fill the drum. When full I plug in the heater. Come back in about an hour and if it 180-200 deg, I unplug heat and turn on the pump. Come back in 2 hours which equals about 4 passes of oil through the cent. The temp cooks off moisture and thins the oil so dirt can be spun out in the cent. 55 gal of near see through oil no matter the color going in. Unscrew the cover to the cent, wipe out the sludge with a shop rag, good to go another drum. Not counting pickup, about 20 min invested per 55 galMike Glavin573-338-6539

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines

 



Lawrence,

I think you are both right and wrong about Mike. You may have discovered something new - when filtering thru denim, heating the oil may make the filter less effective.

But it may or may not apply to centrifuges. I feel that heat would make Mike's centrifuge more effective, not less. But since you tested and found silt, I think Mike may want to test his also. Nothing elaborate - just the largest transparent container he can find. Fill with some of the output of a centrifuge run and let stand for two weeks.

Since his rig makes it easy - he might clean the centrifuge, wait for the oil to cool to room temp, and then run the oil again while cool. If there is anything in the bowl after the second run, maybe he needs two runs.

Bobby

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote:
>
> Now Mike has a real great setup but he is doing one thing wrong.  To speed things up he heats the oil...WRONG.  The problem with heating the oil is more "stuff" gets through.  I've had many a settled highly heated and refined five gallon jug of oil have silt on the bottom.  Heating while filtering allows more through the filter media.  I cold filter through denim.  I get very little silting after letting filtered oil sit.  If I worry about water I just don't use it.  Settling gets rid of most of the water.  My oil looks crystal clear.  If it's foggy I just don't use it or much of it.  Lawrence Rhodes........
>
> Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines
>     Posted by: "Mike Glavin" magconsulting2@... magconsulting2
>     Date: Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:58 am ((PDT))
>
> I
> too have run veg oil and believe it to be as good as diesel if done
> right. Mine is run through a centrifuge that claims to filter out
> particles less than a micron. Regular oil filters are only about 25
> microns. It has an engine coolant heat exchanger in the spare tank in
> the trunk  and a electric heated 5 micron filter before it enters the
> injectors. I start on diesel and don't switch over until engine coolant
> is at full temp. About a minute or so before I get to where I'm going, I
> switch back to diesel to flush the injectors. The 82 300D runs better
> on veg than diesel. Probably because the cetane level in veg is
> generally better than diesel. My cost is what ever I pay for the veg and
> electric for a 2 hour run of a 1/2 hp elect motor and single water
> heater element per 55 gallons cleaned. Centrifuge is mounted on top on
> 55 gal barrel. Veg is pumped from the bottom into the cent at 90 psi via
> the motor. Heating element is inserted into the side of drum with a
> similar threaded port as a water heater. I have it on a 220 cable that
> plugs into my dryer outlet. I pick up the veg. Pour through a strainer
> as I fill the drum. When full I plug in the heater. Come back in about
> an hour and if it 180-200 deg, I unplug heat and turn on the pump. Come
> back in 2 hours which equals about 4 passes of oil through the cent. The
> temp cooks off moisture and thins the oil so dirt can be spun out in
> the cent. 55 gal of near see through oil no matter the color going in.
> Unscrew the cover to the cent, wipe out the sludge with a shop rag, good
> to go another drum. Not counting pickup, about 20 min invested per 55
> gal
>
> Mike Glavin
> 573-338-6539
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines

 

I would agree with you if it were not for the centrifuge. With the cent it spins and centrifugal force forces out the partials and they stick to the walls of the cent. In this case, the thinner the oil, the better it cleans. Same technology being used to recycle motor oil and sell back to you at Wally World. Without a cent, I would also settle the oil (summer sun for a few weeks is awesome), suck from the top if lucky enough to have a 330 gal plastic tote that was sitting in the sun, and the 5 micron filter rated for moisture near the engine is about as good as it gets without a cent or converting to bio.

Mike Glavin
573-338-6539

On Jul 23, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> stuff

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines

 

My only visit to LA was a week long business trip and stayed at the Bonaventure (sp)? downtown. Deja vu since I saw the place in so many movies. Not sure if LA is for me. Born and bred Missouri boy!

Mike Glavin
573-338-6539

On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Mike Glavin <magconsulting2@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Very easy. Lots of YouTube vids to show the setup. If u have access to junk parts, such as drum, 1/2 hp elect motor, access to someone who welds to put a few fittings on the barrel, etc.,  a nice mid size centrifuge is only about $300. Complete kits from sources like PABiodiesel that lists on eBay and other sites is about $1,300 to $1,500. As you can see, the cent is a fraction of that if you can scrounge the rest yourself and able to DIY.  The debate on veg effects on engines will go on forever. I'm a firm believer that if cleaned with a cent, 5 micron filter near motor as additional precaution ( that also is rated to trap moisture), heated to 180-200 when hitting injectors, plus starting and stopping on diesel with engine up to normal temp first, etc., any lost engine life, if even provable, is not even measurable to the thousands saved by not buying much diesel.  Sometimes I will run about 10% diesel in the veg tank just for grins, especially in winter. 1 gal of diesel per ten of veg won't kill the wallet.

Anyone that's wants to do this, the hardest part is always finding a veg source. Most restaurants are only paid 10-20 cents per gallon. Some nothing. Local codes for your containers, hauling, etc. is the real issues

Type of veg is important also. Any type of reg veg is fine. Stay away if label says " hydrogenated or partially Hydroginated". White milky looking stuff they are trying to outlaw. Plugs your heart arteries and will kill a diesel. Converting it to biodiesel is ok (a lot lost though so better be free) but a centrifuge can't make it safe. Chinese oil best since natural veg and little animal fats from cooking. Mom and pop steak and burger joints will contain more animal fats. It will work ok but pure veg oil with little animal fat is gold for diesels. We know that regular oil changes, tune ups, etc., go a long way in extending any engines life. Running veg in diesel is no different. The more of these things you do, the less damage, if any, will happen.

Mike Glavin


On Jul 23, 2013, at 10:23 AM, BStromsoe <bstromsoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Mike, I want you to move to the Los Angeles area, and share your stuff.
 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's

From: Mike Glavin <magconsulting2@yahoo.com>
To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines

 
I too have run veg oil and believe it to be as good as diesel if done right. Mine is run through a centrifuge that claims to filter out particles less than a micron. Regular oil filters are only about 25 microns. It has an engine coolant heat exchanger in the spare tank in the trunk  and a electric heated 5 micron filter before it enters the injectors. I start on diesel and don't switch over until engine coolant is at full temp. About a minute or so before I get to where I'm going, I switch back to diesel to flush the injectors. The 82 300D runs better on veg than diesel. Probably because the cetane level in veg is generally better than diesel. My cost is what ever I pay for the veg and electric for a 2 hour run of a 1/2 hp elect motor and single water heater element per 55 gallons cleaned. Centrifuge is mounted on top on 55 gal barrel. Veg is pumped from the bottom into the cent at 90 psi via the motor. Heating element is inserted into the side of drum with a similar threaded port as a water heater. I have it on a 220 cable that plugs into my dryer outlet. I pick up the veg. Pour through a strainer as I fill the drum. When full I plug in the heater. Come back in about an hour and if it 180-200 deg, I unplug heat and turn on the pump. Come back in 2 hours which equals about 4 passes of oil through the cent. The temp cooks off moisture and thins the oil so dirt can be spun out in the cent. 55 gal of near see through oil no matter the color going in. Unscrew the cover to the cent, wipe out the sludge with a shop rag, good to go another drum. Not counting pickup, about 20 min invested per 55 gal

Mike Glavin
573-338-6539

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:35 AM, "Nate" <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Yes Lawrence but 99 % of the people who go in for veggie oil do so because they're cheap and lazy , too much so to properly convert the car or prepare the fuel .

Them's the _facts_ Jack ~ you don't have to like 'em , I don't .

Were I not so lazy , I'd prolly go this route because I'm ' Yankee Thrifty ' (means : CHEAP) . but cheap fuel until I destroy my car , isn't good long term cheaposity , knowhutimean ? .

-Nate
Lawrence wrote :
>
> But for the rust I'da bought it and fixed it for resale as the poor
> running is almost certainly caused by crappo filthy veggie oil .
>
> Yes Nate we know you don't like veg oil in diesels.....but I have been doing this for 10 years.  Works for me and I just got back from a round trip San Francisco to Redlands with no incidents.  I've had diesels that have run smooth and start right up.  It's hard.  If there is one little leak you will have hard starting and rough running for a minute or so.  It's not for everyone but someone like you would figure it out.  You must have electric line heaters & water based heat exchanger.  The temp of my oil is 200 degrees F.  just before going into the cylinders.  Do I have blow by?  Yes.  I drove one 240 like this for over 100,000 miles and it had over 300k on the clock to begin with.  The car ran better when I sold it than it did when I bought it.  BTW my oil with just filtering using old blue jeans looks like it came out of the bottle.  Lawrence Rhodes.....300TD...Might be selling soon to get our second electric car....If I sell I will
> include all my veggie sources....
>



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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines

 

I use coffee filters and denim cold.  Have a solar holding tank.  No problems here.
 
Boyd

From: Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:09 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines
 
Now Mike has a real great setup but he is doing one thing wrong.  To speed things up he heats the oil...WRONG.  The problem with heating the oil is more "stuff" gets through.  I've had many a settled highly heated and refined five gallon jug of oil have silt on the bottom.  Heating while filtering allows more through the filter media.  I cold filter through denim.  I get very little silting after letting filtered oil sit.  If I worry about water I just don't use it.  Settling gets rid of most of the water.  My oil looks crystal clear.  If it's foggy I just don't use it or much of it.  Lawrence Rhodes........ Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines    Posted by: "Mike Glavin" magconsulting2@yahoo.com magconsulting2    Date: Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:58 am ((PDT))I too have run veg oil and believe it to be as good as diesel if done right. Mine is run through a centrifuge that claims to filter out particles less than a micron. Regular oil filters are only about 25 microns. It has an engine coolant heat exchanger in the spare tank in the trunk  and a electric heated 5 micron filter before it enters the injectors. I start on diesel and don't switch over until engine coolant is at full temp. About a minute or so before I get to where I'm going, I switch back to diesel to flush the injectors. The 82 300D runs better on veg than diesel. Probably because the cetane level in veg is generally better than diesel. My cost is what ever I pay for the veg and electric for a 2 hour run of a 1/2 hp elect motor and single water heater element per 55 gallons cleaned. Centrifuge is mounted on top on 55 gal barrel. Veg is pumped from the bottom into the cent at 90 psi via the motor. Heating element is inserted into the side of drum with a similar threaded port as a water heater. I have it on a 220 cable that plugs into my dryer outlet. I pick up the veg. Pour through a strainer as I fill the drum. When full I plug in the heater. Come back in about an hour and if it 180-200 deg, I unplug heat and turn on the pump. Come back in 2 hours which equals about 4 passes of oil through the cent. The temp cooks off moisture and thins the oil so dirt can be spun out in the cent. 55 gal of near see through oil no matter the color going in. Unscrew the cover to the cent, wipe out the sludge with a shop rag, good to go another drum. Not counting pickup, about 20 min invested per 55 galMike Glavin573-338-6539

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[diesel_mercedes] 77 mercedes 240d question

 

I have a great running 77 Mercedes 240D engine I want to put into a small front wheel drive motorhome. Is there a front wheel drive mercedes auto or straight drive stick tranny that will bolt to this engine without having to re-invent the wheel?

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[diesel_mercedes] 83 300D for sale

 

I have a 1983 300D  (W126 chassis) that I've been neglecting for a year or so now. It needs to find a good home. I bought it for $3500 a few years ago, and I probably have 5 grand or so in it by now. I'm just too busy with other stuff; it never seems to make the priority cut any more. 

The left rear suspension wishbone was rotting out, so I got that replaced. While it was apart I got a new fuel sender installed, and a pair of rear shocks. My buddy who got me into this in the first place had a scare involving one of the pipes feeding his oil cooler unit rotting through, so I bought both pipes but never installed them; they will come with the car. That's ~$175 right there. 

Had 155K when I got it; probably 165K or thereabouts now. The odometer busted on me. The fix for that is well documented.

Pretty much everything that's vacuum driven is nonfunctional. My mechanic thinks (based solely on experience and not examination) that it's the pump in the trunk. Whatever; someone has to chase vacuum gremlins out. 

The power windows are slow and weak. The sunroof, even more so. 

The switch for the courtesy lights on the interior has failed in the on position, or similar snafu. Every courtesy light is on all the time, or would be if I hadn't removed the bulbs. 

Tobacco brown inside and out. Body in really good to excellent shape. Paint would look great if the clearcoat hadn't started peeling. No rust. Upholstery is good, although the seats sag like they all do. Kent Bergsma has a fixit kit for that, or swimming pool noodles stuffed under the seat are rumored to be just the ticket. 

I'd like to get $1500 for it. 

Contact me OFF LIST; I don't read this regularly any more. daniel underscore fox at hotmail dot com with "Mercedes" somewhere in the subject line, or 240 304 7802 is my cell phone. Car is located between DC and Baltimore MD. 

Thanks in advance - 

-Dan Fox 


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines

 

my best oil was filtered at 26 degrees,and cold filtered
 
 
Tennessee Nate
From: Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net>
To: "diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com" <diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:09 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines
 
Now Mike has a real great setup but he is doing one thing wrong.  To speed things up he heats the oil...WRONG.  The problem with heating the oil is more "stuff" gets through.  I've had many a settled highly heated and refined five gallon jug of oil have silt on the bottom.  Heating while filtering allows more through the filter media.  I cold filter through denim.  I get very little silting after letting filtered oil sit.  If I worry about water I just don't use it.  Settling gets rid of most of the water.  My oil looks crystal clear.  If it's foggy I just don't use it or much of it.  Lawrence Rhodes........ Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines    Posted by: "Mike Glavin" magconsulting2@yahoo.com magconsulting2    Date: Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:58 am ((PDT))I too have run veg oil and believe it to be as good as diesel if done right. Mine is run through a centrifuge that claims to filter out particles less than a micron. Regular oil filters are only about 25 microns. It has an engine coolant heat exchanger in the spare tank in the trunk  and a electric heated 5 micron filter before it enters the injectors. I start on diesel and don't switch over until engine coolant is at full temp. About a minute or so before I get to where I'm going, I switch back to diesel to flush the injectors. The 82 300D runs better on veg than diesel. Probably because the cetane level in veg is generally better than diesel. My cost is what ever I pay for the veg and electric for a 2 hour run of a 1/2 hp elect motor and single water heater element per 55 gallons cleaned. Centrifuge is mounted on top on 55 gal barrel. Veg is pumped from the bottom into the cent at 90 psi via the motor. Heating element is inserted into the side of drum with a similar threaded port as a water heater. I have it on a 220 cable that plugs into my dryer outlet. I pick up the veg. Pour through a strainer as I fill the drum. When full I plug in the heater. Come back in about an hour and if it 180-200 deg, I unplug heat and turn on the pump. Come back in 2 hours which equals about 4 passes of oil through the cent. The temp cooks off moisture and thins the oil so dirt can be spun out in the cent. 55 gal of near see through oil no matter the color going in. Unscrew the cover to the cent, wipe out the sludge with a shop rag, good to go another drum. Not counting pickup, about 20 min invested per 55 galMike Glavin573-338-6539

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines

 

Now Mike has a real great setup but he is doing one thing wrong.  To speed things up he heats the oil...WRONG.  The problem with heating the oil is more "stuff" gets through.  I've had many a settled highly heated and refined five gallon jug of oil have silt on the bottom.  Heating while filtering allows more through the filter media.  I cold filter through denim.  I get very little silting after letting filtered oil sit.  If I worry about water I just don't use it.  Settling gets rid of most of the water.  My oil looks crystal clear.  If it's foggy I just don't use it or much of it.  Lawrence Rhodes........

Re : Veggie Oil KILLS Diesel Engines
    Posted by: "Mike Glavin" magconsulting2@yahoo.com magconsulting2
    Date: Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:58 am ((PDT))

I too have run veg oil and believe it to be as good as diesel if done right. Mine is run through a centrifuge that claims to filter out particles less than a micron. Regular oil filters are only about 25 microns. It has an engine coolant heat exchanger in the spare tank in the trunk  and a electric heated 5 micron filter before it enters the injectors. I start on diesel and don't switch over until engine coolant is at full temp. About a minute or so before I get to where I'm going, I switch back to diesel to flush the injectors. The 82 300D runs better on veg than diesel. Probably because the cetane level in veg is generally better than diesel. My cost is what ever I pay for the veg and electric for a 2 hour run of a 1/2 hp elect motor and single water heater element per 55 gallons cleaned. Centrifuge is mounted on top on 55 gal barrel. Veg is pumped from the bottom into the cent at 90 psi via the motor. Heating element is inserted into the side of drum with a similar threaded port as a water heater. I have it on a 220 cable that plugs into my dryer outlet. I pick up the veg. Pour through a strainer as I fill the drum. When full I plug in the heater. Come back in about an hour and if it 180-200 deg, I unplug heat and turn on the pump. Come back in 2 hours which equals about 4 passes of oil through the cent. The temp cooks off moisture and thins the oil so dirt can be spun out in the cent. 55 gal of near see through oil no matter the color going in. Unscrew the cover to the cent, wipe out the sludge with a shop rag, good to go another drum. Not counting pickup, about 20 min invested per 55 gal

Mike Glavin
573-338-6539

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