Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Oil Pan Fun

 

I don't think "new" oil pans are very expensive either - maybe $30 or so.
 
brian from la verne, ca
From: Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:59 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Oil Pan Fun
 

No , no corrosion anywhere on Tom's '81 W126 because he refuses to fix the oil seeps nor ever clean under the hood (it looks like a show car from the outside) so there's more oil sludge than the Exxon Valdez
dumped in the ocean , underneath it .

The metal was shiny from this recent scrape , it folded the metal over so much , it stress cracked .

I wonder if maybe the guys who polish it weekly , might have zoomed up
the ramps in the parking garage and bottomed it out ? .

Dented oil pans on Mercedes is *VERY* common ,try to find an un dented one in the scrap yard , good luck .

This one was hit *so* hard , it broke off the rubber oil intake tube so we have to order up a new one of those ASAP , I'll install it when we get the next oil pan , be it a lucky P-A-P find or a new one , Jerry sold me a brandy new one for my Coupe for $35 , maybe he's got more .

Were it my car , I'd be worried about sucking in air instead of coil during hard cornering but I think Tom's prolly O.K. there .

Tom had gone to P-A-P last week and found one that was only slightly scraped with road rash , the yard apes had dented it in 30 MM or so with the forklift so I had to dress it back out using some hardwood and my old dead blow mallet before it'd fit because Mercedes wisely has the oil dipstick tube nearly touching the bottom of the oil pan, this prevents oil fumes from spewing out the top end of the tube like on other , lesser cars . I installed it after cleaning it and the attendant 6 MM allen headed socket screws *vigerously* as Tom replaced the broken air cleaner 'T' bracket & sheared off rubber air cleaner can mounts .

-Nate
"bmwsid" Asked :
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> Did this happen because it was excessivly corroded?
> Did you have a replacment part?
>
>
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: 1985 300 SD

 

The 1982 TD engine that now powers "Mary" was "fixed" with a homemade 1/4" metal plate that fits over the "hydraulic hole" - no problemo. Just make sure you use a gasket and seal under the plate if you do this.
 
brian from la verne, ca
From: "audiolaw@aol.com" <audiolaw@aol.com>
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Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: 1985 300 SD
 
John, 
 
    The TD head is wagon specific.  But the sedan engine will take a TD head, if you're putting it into a wagon.  The difference is in the accommodation for a hydraulic pump that serves the rear suspension system (not present on the SD sedans). 
 
Tom 
 
 
In a message dated 11/20/2011 4:51:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tokens@gmail.com writes:
 
A light bulb just came on for me. Is the head for a 123 300TD wagon the same as the head for a 300SD Sedan? I would imagine that it might be for a turbo engine, but maybe not for a NA engine. I am possibly going to be on the lookout for a 1980 wagon head to put on a sedan engine I have to go in a wagon, so this may widen the possibilities of where to look.
John in the 208

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> btw: There is NO Haynes manual for the SD.
>
> The manual for the 123 series diesels (300 D, 300 D turbo, 300TD) has
> a lot of useful information, particularly on the engine and drive train,
> because the 300D turbo and 300TD have essentially the same engine as the SD
> (the TD has a different head, to carry a hydraulic pump for the suspension).

Pacific Standard Time, tokens@gmail.com writes:
 
A light bulb just came on for me. Is the head for a 123 300TD wagon the same as the head for a 300SD Sedan? I would imagine that it might be for a turbo engine, but maybe not for a NA engine. I am possibly going to be on the lookout for a 1980 wagon head to put on a sedan engine I have to go in a wagon, so this may widen the possibilities of where to look.
John in the 208

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> btw: There is NO Haynes manual for the SD.
>
> The manual for the 123 series diesels (300 D, 300 D turbo, 300TD) has
> a lot of useful information, particularly on the engine and drive train,
> because the 300D turbo and 300TD have essentially the same engine as the SD
> (the TD has a different head, to carry a hydraulic pump for the suspension).



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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : Tranny shifting

 



--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> Do a _HOT_ tranny service , ATF & filter change , the torque converter has a 5 MM hex plug you remove to drain it too , then use either Dexron or Mercedes ATF , many Partshaus sell this special ATF afordably , Pep Boys , Kragen , Shuck's etc. will only have Dexron .
>
> Remember to clean everything _HOSPITAL_CLEAN_ before re assembly and do not use linty rags as one tiny bit of lint can ruin your tranny .
>
> Use Dexron in the power steering too , it's nasty and black , I know this and have not seen your car yet .
>
> -Nate

I was thinking it might be the modulator valve, but automatic trannys have always been alchemy to me. I have never been able to understand them.
I might have acess to a hoist so I can do this right..I hate laying on the ground under the car. Getting too old for that.
In servicing toe power steering, should the filter in there be replaced too, and should it be filled to the top of the filter?
Regular Dextron or any of the Dextron 2s or any of that?
Sid, from near Niagara Falls. (N.Y.)

> "bmwsid" wrote:
> >
> > My '85 300 SD has started to shift a bit hard. Now, after passing something else, and holding the pedal to the floor, it will not shift to high. It now shifts at 4500 RPM. I put in Neutral and coasted home, accelerating and coasting till I got there.
> > Any ideas? The fluid does look kinda dark. I didn't even know if it takes a different ATF, so I don't know what is 'normal'.
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Oil Pan Fun

 



--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> _Someone_ (? Tom says not him) scraped the oil pan of his '81 300SD so hard , it cracked right next to the drain plug and began leaking profusely .
>
> I changed it yesterday , SWMBO says get off the dang 'puter & go to brekkie so maybe Tom will chime in with the fun , _FILTHY_ details .
>
> -Nate
>
Oh, I get it....scraped as in bottomed out on a curb or something. I thought it might be from cleaning it...
If it was a scarce enough part, I could TIG weld it back to useable condition, Make a patch and weld it in.

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : 1985 300 SD

 


John ;

You can swap the cylinder heads *if* they're turbo charged , otherwise no .

Plenty of good used turbo charged cylinder heads in every junkyard , I'd highly suggest taking tune up tools and a Diesel compression tester & fully charged battery and adjusting the valves then taking a compression test before yanking one off as it's a fairly big job , no point in flu$ing away your hard earned $ on bad used parts .

I'd also be wanting to replace _ALL_ the valve stem oil seals before re installing the used head to any car , be it mine , yours or a Customer's .

-Nate
John wrote:
>
> A light bulb just came on for me. Is the head for a 123 300TD wagon the same as the head for a 300SD Sedan? I would imagine that it might be for a turbo engine, but maybe not for a NA engine. I am possibly going to be on the lookout for a 1980 wagon head to put on a sedan engine I have to go in a wagon, so this may widen the possibilities of where to look.
> John in the 208
>
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@ wrote:
> >
> > btw: There is NO Haynes manual for the SD.
> >
> > The manual for the 123 series diesels (300 D, 300 D turbo, 300TD) has
> > a lot of useful information, particularly on the engine and drive train,
> > because the 300D turbo and 300TD have essentially the same engine as the SD
> > (the TD has a different head, to carry a hydraulic pump for the suspension).
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Tranny shifting

 


Do a _HOT_ tranny service , ATF & filter change , the torque converter has a 5 MM hex plug you remove to drain it too , then use either Dexron or Mercedes ATF , many Partshaus sell this special ATF afordably , Pep Boys , Kragen , Shuck's etc. will only have Dexron .

Remember to clean everything _HOSPITAL_CLEAN_ before re assembly and do not use linty rags as one tiny bit of lint can ruin your tranny .

Use Dexron in the power steering too , it's nasty and black , I know this and have not seen your car yet .

-Nate
"bmwsid" wrote:
>
> My '85 300 SD has started to shift a bit hard. Now, after passing something else, and holding the pedal to the floor, it will not shift to high. It now shifts at 4500 RPM. I put in Neutral and coasted home, accelerating and coasting till I got there.
> Any ideas? The fluid does look kinda dark. I didn't even know if it takes a different ATF, so I don't know what is 'normal'.
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : 1985 300 SD

 


WELCOME ! .

You'll find the good folks here know pretty much everything there is to know about your fine Mercedes Automobile .

Your local Mercedes Dealer or Tom Hansen at The Mercedes Classic Center can get you the factory W-126 shop manual on CD-ROM , this way you can search out the section of info you need & print out the pertinent pages as ' Cheat Sheets " & drag them out to the car with you , scribble notes & part #'s on the margins etc. then discard once the job is done .

$ well invested will these CD - ROMs be .

Also , Haynes makes a W-123 paperback shop manual , new @ Pep Boys etc. it's under $30 and has all the engine and tranny specs & how to's you'll need .

Used in Thrift Stores , yard sales & swap meets it's $5 or so , don't hesitate to buy a greasy used one with dog eared pages .

Most DIY's as well as competent Journeyman Mechanics have multiple copies of various different Service Literature as the more info you have, the easier goes the repair .

Lastly , this is a friendly list , please remember to sign each and every post with your name or ' handle ' that we may get to know you better .

-Nate
"bmwsid" wrote:
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> I recently purchased this car. Which shop manual would be the best one for the car? I am not very flimiliar with most of the stuff on this car. It is my first M.B., first diesel, too.
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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Oil Pan Fun

 


I'm not sure taking 100 # of crap out of Tom's Mercedes will make much difference , he carries at least 300 # of crap in the trunk alone....

I was pondering this as I rested last night , I think new coil springs from a W-126 SDL might be in order , along with some spiffy Bilstein HD shocks .

I just put new Bilstein HD's on all four corners of my new (to me) 1969 Chevrolet C/10 Pickup truck , it too has coil springs on all four corners and it now rides like a Caddy and handles corners , bumps & potholes like a Sports Car......

Bilstein HD shock absorbers have to be experienced to understand how good and economical they are .

-Nate
Brian Suggests :
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> Time for someone to drop 100 lbs?
>
>  
> brian from la verne, ca
>
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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: 1985 300 SD

 

John, 
 
    The TD head is wagon specific.  But the sedan engine will take a TD head, if you're putting it into a wagon.  The difference is in the accommodation for a hydraulic pump that serves the rear suspension system (not present on the SD sedans). 
 
Tom 
 
 
In a message dated 11/20/2011 4:51:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tokens@gmail.com writes:
 

A light bulb just came on for me. Is the head for a 123 300TD wagon the same as the head for a 300SD Sedan? I would imagine that it might be for a turbo engine, but maybe not for a NA engine. I am possibly going to be on the lookout for a 1980 wagon head to put on a sedan engine I have to go in a wagon, so this may widen the possibilities of where to look.
John in the 208

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> btw: There is NO Haynes manual for the SD.
>
> The manual for the 123 series diesels (300 D, 300 D turbo, 300TD) has
> a lot of useful information, particularly on the engine and drive train,
> because the 300D turbo and 300TD have essentially the same engine as the SD
> (the TD has a different head, to carry a hydraulic pump for the suspension).

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] 1985 300 SD

 

and the w126 CD's have been posted on the w126 group site. Someone on this list is a member, but I think I buried the w126 manual on my hard drive somewhere. As Tom said, a lot of the info for both species is interchangeable - but be careful, not all. Some of the parts houses (Autohausaz, Rock) have pictures of all parts which can be handy)
 
brian from la verne, ca
From: "audiolaw@aol.com" <audiolaw@aol.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] 1985 300 SD
 
    btw: There is NO Haynes manual for the SD. 
 
    The manual for the 123 series diesels (300 D, 300 D turbo, 300TD) has a lot of useful information, particularly on the engine and drive train, because the 300D turbo and 300TD have essentially the same engine as the SD (the TD has a different head, to carry a hydraulic pump for the suspension). 
 
    When you get into it, you will learn that a lot of parts, switches, etc. are interchangeable.  Indeed, a lot of parts on the SD have 123 part numbers. 
 
Tom, '81 300SD, 353,5++ miles. 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/20/2011 4:32:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, bstromsoe@yahoo.com writes:
 
No "one" manual is perfect and covers everything. You will get a lot of opinions (which is good) - here are mine:
1.  This group has lots of info in the archives.
2.  Haynes Manual for your specific model.
3.  Performance Product catalog for pictures and diagrams.
4.  CD Manuals from Tom at Classic Center
5.  Google for URL's to many DIY sites including Dieselgiant
6.  Mercedessource for DIY videos.
7.  PAP yards so you can take things apart and put things back together.
8.  MB Star book covering 50 years of "how to fix" things Mercedes.
9.  Did I mention Google? Punch in whatever your issue is, e.g., "fix 1983 w123 brakes" and see what pops up (100 or so articles, many with pictures).
10. There are other things, but I will let other people chime in.

Go slow, take your time, enjoy your car.

 
brian from la verne, ca
From: bmwsid <sidcranston@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 12:19 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] 1985 300 SD

 
I recently purchased this car. Which shop manual would be the best one for the car? I am not very flimiliar with most of the stuff on this car. It is my first M.B., first diesel, too.
Pacific Standard Time, bstromsoe@yahoo.com writes:
 
No "one" manual is perfect and covers everything. You will get a lot of opinions (which is good) - here are mine:
1.  This group has lots of info in the archives.
2.  Haynes Manual for your specific model.
3.  Performance Product catalog for pictures and diagrams.
4.  CD Manuals from Tom at Classic Center
5.  Google for URL's to many DIY sites including Dieselgiant
6.  Mercedessource for DIY videos.
7.  PAP yards so you can take things apart and put things back together.
8.  MB Star book covering 50 years of "how to fix" things Mercedes.
9.  Did I mention Google? Punch in whatever your issue is, e.g., "fix 1983 w123 brakes" and see what pops up (100 or so articles, many with pictures).
10. There are other things, but I will let other people chime in.

Go slow, take your time, enjoy your car.

 
brian from la verne, ca
From: bmwsid <sidcranston@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 12:19 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] 1985 300 SD

 
I recently purchased this car. Which shop manual would be the best one for the car? I am not very flimiliar with most of the stuff on this car. It is my first M.B., first diesel, too.





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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Oil Pan Fun

 


No , no corrosion anywhere on Tom's '81 W126 because he refuses to fix the oil seeps nor ever clean under the hood (it looks like a show car from the outside) so there's more oil sludge than the Exxon Valdez
dumped in the ocean , underneath it .

The metal was shiny from this recent scrape , it folded the metal over so much , it stress cracked .

I wonder if maybe the guys who polish it weekly , might have zoomed up
the ramps in the parking garage and bottomed it out ? .

Dented oil pans on Mercedes is *VERY* common ,try to find an un dented one in the scrap yard , good luck .

This one was hit *so* hard , it broke off the rubber oil intake tube so we have to order up a new one of those ASAP , I'll install it when we get the next oil pan , be it a lucky P-A-P find or a new one , Jerry sold me a brandy new one for my Coupe for $35 , maybe he's got more .

Were it my car , I'd be worried about sucking in air instead of coil during hard cornering but I think Tom's prolly O.K. there .

Tom had gone to P-A-P last week and found one that was only slightly scraped with road rash , the yard apes had dented it in 30 MM or so with the forklift so I had to dress it back out using some hardwood and my old dead blow mallet before it'd fit because Mercedes wisely has the oil dipstick tube nearly touching the bottom of the oil pan, this prevents oil fumes from spewing out the top end of the tube like on other , lesser cars . I installed it after cleaning it and the attendant 6 MM allen headed socket screws *vigerously* as Tom replaced the broken air cleaner 'T' bracket & sheared off rubber air cleaner can mounts .

-Nate
"bmwsid" Asked :
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> Did this happen because it was excessivly corroded?
> Did you have a replacment part?
>
>
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