RE: [diesel_mercedes] water pump. Alternator not working. Back to square 1. Belt popped off.

 

Yes, in older vehicles, the water pump is behind the fan that is behind the radiator. Try to figure out what is flipping the fan belt off. Check all the pulleys that the water pump belt runs over.    Bill in Oregon

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The Fan turns easy and seems solid.  The pump is behind it...correct?  Lawrence Rhodes

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Ordered in the $16 backlit INNOVA tester on Saturday. Promised Thursday...it came on Sunday...but.

 

I also ordered fast and free being the cheapskate I am.  So one day service on a weekend with no shipping charges is amazing.  LR

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RE: [diesel_mercedes] water pump. Alternator not working. Back to square 1. Belt popped off.

 

The Fan turns easy and seems solid.  The pump is behind it...correct?  Lawrence Rhodes

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Has their ever been a success full long term Benz CDI - WVO conversion ?

 

Well there is if I do one.  Must have line heaters the strips of special wire that get your injector lines really hot.  210" F and a Vormax or other water heat based fuel heat exchanger.  Minimum heat for veg oil before burning is 165"F.  That is about it.  We do recirculate used oil instead of returning to the tank.  It's called looping.  Keeps the hot oil close to the front of the car.  I just use blue jeans to filter my oil.  SVO that is it.  Lawrence Rhodes...........15 years 

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Ordered in the $16 backlit INNOVA tester on Saturday. Promised Thursday...it came on Sunday...but.

 

INNOVA 3721 Battery and Charging System Monitor New

 

 No kidding.  I ordered Saturday and it came on Sunday.  However the delivery man didn't ring my doorbell.  Lawrence Rhodes...Works great.

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RE: [diesel_mercedes] water pump. Alternator not working. Back to square 1. Belt popped off.

 

Water pumps are easy compared to seeing electrons.

If the water pump is frozen, the pulley stops; the belt does what it wants too at this point of stress.

Grab the water pump pulley and try to turn it. If it turns, does make noise or do you feel friction like the bearing inside is worn out.

Is the pulley shaft loose in the pump or can you pull in and out of the housing even a little bit?  Bill in Oregon

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OK...I checked under the hood before removing the alternator.  My fan belt was twisted and off the pulleys.  Turns out that when the belt goes the Brake light and Battery light come on.  Nice to know.  Maybe I tightened it too much.  Take off to test the car and show my mechanic the new battery monitor.  Come home and as I'm coming down a hill the brake and battery light come on.  Now I know what's up.  Go up another hill to my house.  I park the car and it won't shut off so I have to use the emergency off switch under the hood.  She was boiling over too.  I had no interruption of voltage (At speed mostly 13.5 to 13.8 or so)except at idle and it appears I have another problem...Could my water pump be throwing the belt off?  Do I need a new belt?  Do I need a new water pump?  Oh well the pleasures of owning a vintage car.  Any advice welcome.  Lawrence Rhodes

 

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Alternator not working. Back to square 1. Belt popped off.

 

OK...I checked under the hood before removing the alternator.  My fan belt was twisted and off the pulleys.  Turns out that when the belt goes the Brake light and Battery light come on.  Nice to know.  Maybe I tightened it too much.  Take off to test the car and show my mechanic the new battery monitor.  Come home and as I'm coming down a hill the brake and battery light come on.  Now I know what's up.  Go up another hill to my house.  I park the car and it won't shut off so I have to use the emergency off switch under the hood.  She was boiling over too.  I had no interruption of voltage (At speed mostly 13.5 to 13.8 or so)except at idle and it appears I have another problem...Could my water pump be throwing the belt off?  Do I need a new belt?  Do I need a new water pump?  Oh well the pleasures of owning a vintage car.  Any advice welcome.  Lawrence Rhodes

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My alternator has 285k on it.  Just what does Bosch do when re manufacturing the alternator.  New bearings I bet and the brush/regulator. The commutator is the only other thing.  Can the commutator go bad?   How often do they go bad?  My alternator was soaked with hydraulic fluid.  That can't be good.   LR



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No charging.  Battery light & brake light on when driving.  I guess I'll take the alternator out and have it tested.  How many ways can an alternator fail if it has a new regulator/brush combo?  Voting against the wires and for the alternator being bad.  Lawrence Rhodes




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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Got tester... but major problem.

On 3/10/2015 9:58 AM, Lawrence Rhodes primobassoon@sbcglobal.net
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> Blew the fuse to the cig lighter with multi tester probe.. Replaced
> fuse. Start car after charging.. Glows drain battery under 12v. Now
> no charging. Battery & brake light on. 12.6v now while running.
> Back on charger. Took Honda. Sigh........Lawrence Rhodes


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Has their ever been a success full long term Benz CDI - WVO conversion ?

 

Ali,

Yes, there are several.  You will need to filter the oil and keep the conversion maintained.

Bobby
 

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Alternator not working. Back to square 1.

 

Lawrence,

Since you have 285K miles and the brushes wore unevenly, it may be that one of the slip rings has worn badly or is pitted.  If you have it off the car, you might try removing the voltage regulator / brush assembly and look down the hole the brush came out of to see the condition of the slip rings and compare them.  Slowly rotate pulley, so the ring scans by where you are looking.

( I think we are talking about the same thing.  I think that on a generator or starter, it is a commutator and it is made up of 20 or so little strips of copper.  I think in a Bosch alternator, there are two rings that go all the way around the shaft.  I think that is called a slip ring.  Corrections, anyone?)

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My alternator has 285k on it.  Just what does Bosch do when re manufacturing the alternator.  New bearings I bet and the brush/regulator. The commutator is the only other thing.  Can the commutator go bad?   How often do they go bad?  My alternator was soaked with hydraulic fluid.  That can't be good.   LR

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No charging.  Battery light & brake light on when driving.  I guess I'll take the alternator out and have it tested.  How many ways can an alternator fail if it has a new regulator/brush combo?  Voting against the wires and for the alternator being bad.  Lawrence Rhodes







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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Alternator not working. Back to square 1.

 

My alternator has 285k on it.  Just what does Bosch do when re manufacturing the alternator.  New bearings I bet and the brush/regulator. The commutator is the only other thing.  Can the commutator go bad?   How often do they go bad?  My alternator was soaked with hydraulic fluid.  That can't be good.   LR

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No charging.  Battery light & brake light on when driving.  I guess I'll take the alternator out and have it tested.  How many ways can an alternator fail if it has a new regulator/brush combo?  Voting against the wires and for the alternator being bad.  Lawrence Rhodes


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No charging.  Battery light & brake light on when driving.  I guess I'll take the alternator out and have it tested.  How many ways can an alternator fail if it has a new regulator/brush combo?  Voting against the wires and for the alternator being bad.  Lawrence Rhodes

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[diesel_mercedes] Got tester... but major problem.

 

Blew the fuse to the cig lighter with multi tester probe..  Replaced fuse.  Start car after charging..  Glows drain battery under 12v.  Now no charging.  Battery & brake light on.  12.6v now while running.  Back on charger.  Took Honda.   Sigh........Lawrence Rhodes

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Ordered in the $16 INNOVA tester on Saturday. Came on Sunday

 

It came on Sunday and they didn't ring the doorbell.  However it gets a test today.  Maybe the ongoing monitoring will reveal the  problem.  LR

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