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I'm sorry for bringing this up. Everyone has their factors that the use for their own math. Some, it's engineering numbers, others financial, others are just feelings.
Each person will take the path they will. Whether that was the correct choice, or not, is a tough call. Even afterwards. Debating about this, or degrading others wasn't my intent. It was only to see the other views.
My view was, for my own location, job, etc., I can't see electric working for me. I don't have a job that would pay for the charge. I'm in NH where elect heat would kill the battery. Electric rates will increase due to no new energy sources and the retirement of large sources. I would rather drop the $30K into an investment that pays me returns. Thanks for the Thorium recommendation though, Lightbridge has jumped 55% in one month, I'll wait a little while.
We can now return to the care and feeding of our Mercedes. This group as too much experience and knowledge to have it fall apart over this.
Carl
"Nuclear is dead because it is too dangerous."
Nuclear is/was only dangerous because of the high pressure needed to keep the coolant (water) in a liquid state at the working temperatures. If salt is used as the coolant (read that as heat extracting medium) then the pressure goes to zero. They had one of these running in Oak Ridge Tennessee and could just walk away from it at quitting time and start it up again in the morning. It's called walk-away-safe. Do your homework before you speak."If we stopped refining oil that energy would run electric everything."
What part of "1500 Watts per square meter" do you not understand. I didn't pull these numbers out of my hat. These are measured and verified amounts of energy received by the earth from the sun. And if we collected it all there is not enough to run the world at present needs.
"Our grid system is the way to stop big oil."
Well, given that the grid system being slowly converted to natural gas, the grid system is how big oil is going to survive.
"Think about vehicles that produce energy. Not use it. Don't be a Negative Nellie."
Vehicles can do nothing but use energy. They are a load, not a source. Even if they have solar powered motors they are using energy. I am as far from a negative nellie as can be. I am an electrical engineer. I deal in measurements and energy all day long. OH by the way, the reason there are a lot of salesmen and so few engineers in the renewable energy field is because it has no future. It is a fantasy that is quickly approaching its market saturation point. It's that pesky sun thing again. There just isn't enough of it coming from the sun to sustain the fad. If it weren't for coal and oil and (hopefully someday) thorium based nuclear we wouldn't have the energy luxury to produce those materials you so religiously believe will save this planet. If you get you way, and you can't, you will be the first one screaming when the lights go out in the dead of winter.
" All internal combustion is dead but it's still twitching."
Really? A million new cars a year says otherwise. Again a simple fact mercilessly destroying a false theory. Try running a truck or a train on solar. Or, try living on what you can grow with whats left of the sun you aren't harvesting for other purposes.
"To drive a Molotov Cocktail and then breath in the fumes is crazy."
I'm having a discussion with a fool.
"Ultimately when you know something is bad you stop doing it."
I only stop doing something when it stops working for me. My oil burner will, hell, I mean HAS, lived longer than your batteries and solar panels ever will.
"It's going to happen weather we like it or not. Brazil runs on alcohol."
That is precisely not true. If we don't like it, and/or it doesn't work for us and we don't buy it it will absolutely NOT happen. And Brazil is a second world country, at best, that lives primarily on their tourist industry. And you can't get tourists there on planes fueled on alcohol. The usable energy density is too low.
But I respect you right to koom-bye-yah. You just have no solid physical ground under your philosophy.
Bogy.
"Hardware eventually fails. Software eventually works" - Michael Hartung
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